Buccaneers vs Rams Discussion

[AJPG]

Avoid this:

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Protect Tommy.

[BucFanClw]

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More two TE sets to help with run blocks, pass protection and PA. Run it down their throats and PA for big gains.

It's crazy to think only allowing 57 rushing yards per game is only good enough for 2nd, but early season stats are weird like that. We're surprisingly I think like 8th in the league for pass defense per passing down. Our game averages are skewed because teams pass way above average against us due to us shutting down the run so effectively.

[King Bootz]

The difference is that we have far more options than any of them, though those other teams arguably had some greater individual stars. I don't think any of our weapons is equal to prime Tyreek, Marshall Faulk or Randy Moss but none of those teams had so many above average targets.

The Rams are probably the most balanced as well. Faulk provided production from the RB position the rest of us can only dream of.

Agreed here. The Greatest Show was nothing to sleep on. Faulk could hurt you equally running and catching the ball. Bruce, Holt, Proel, Hakim were all productive and made plays. Not to mention a HOF LT to block and allow these guys to produce the way they did.

[Primeminister]

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More two TE sets to help with run blocks, pass protection and PA. Run it down their throats and PA for big gains.

It's crazy to think only allowing 57 rushing yards per game is only good enough for 2nd, but early season stats are weird like that. We're surprisingly I think like 8th in the league for pass defense per passing down. Our game averages are skewed because teams pass way above average against us due to us shutting down the run so effectively.

That is a good qualifier on the passing defense. Another stat I’d like to see is time of possession. I read somewhere that our scoring drives have all be under 3:30. That means we are striking quickly which allows the other offense more time to score and keeps our defense out there.

[RamItUpDaBuc]

The difference is that we have far more options than any of them, though those other teams arguably had some greater individual stars. I don't think any of our weapons is equal to prime Tyreek, Marshall Faulk or Randy Moss but none of those teams had so many above average targets.

The Rams are probably the most balanced as well. Faulk provided production from the RB position the rest of us can only dream of.

The GSOT is far better than the other offenses you guys compared it to. 4 bonafide hall of famers. Another one that should be in, Torrey Holt. Never another offense like it.

[Primeminister]

The Rams are probably the most balanced as well. Faulk provided production from the RB position the rest of us can only dream of.

The GSOT is far better than the other offenses you guys compared it to. 4 bonafide hall of famers. Another one that should be in, Torrey Holt. Never another offense like it.

This current Bucs offense has the both the GOAT QB & TE, future 1st ballot HOF WR and another WR on HOF trajectory.

[RamItUpDaBuc]

The GSOT is far better than the other offenses you guys compared it to. 4 bonafide hall of famers. Another one that should be in, Torrey Holt. Never another offense like it.

This current Bucs offense has the both the GOAT QB & TE, future 1st ballot HOF WR and another WR on HOF trajectory.

How many of those guys are in their prime compared to the GSOT? Mike Evans is the only one that comes to mind. They aren't as good as GSOT bro.

[Primeminister]

This current Bucs offense has the both the GOAT QB & TE, future 1st ballot HOF WR and another WR on HOF trajectory.

How many of those guys are in their prime compared to the GSOT? Mike Evans is the only one that comes to mind. They aren't as good as GSOT bro.

Brady at 40-44 years old is better than Kurt ever was. Hell Brady at 44 is better than Kurt was . Gronk right now is better than any TE in football and anything you had on that team. Same goes for Antonio.

Then we can discuss the rest of the team.

[Primeminister]

@RamItUpDaBuc Just to clarify.

Kurt Warner “in his prime” threw for 4800 yards, 36 TD & 22 interceptions. Warner’s BEST year was 4300 yards, 43 TD & 13 interceptions. That compares to Tom Brady at fucking 43: 4600 yards, 40 TDs & 12 interceptions…all on a brand new team.

Yes our offense is better. That’s no shade to the GSOT. Brady is the GOAT and so is this offense.

[RamItUpDaBuc]

How many of those guys are in their prime compared to the GSOT? Mike Evans is the only one that comes to mind. They aren't as good as GSOT bro.

Brady at 40-44 years old is better than Kurt ever was. Hell Brady at 44 is better than Kurt was . Gronk right now is better than any TE in football and anything you had on that team. Same goes for Antonio.

Then we can discuss the rest of the team.

I can agree with Brady over Kurt. But Gronk being the best TE in football right now? Kittle and Kelce are better dude. Way better. Martz didn't use TEs much in his system in the passing game. If Brown were on the GSOT he'd be in the same spot he is on this team the 3rd receiver. Ricky Proehl and Az Hakim are better than the rest of the receivers on your Bucs team. Our OL was better. Pace is arguably the best to play the position. Timmerman was one of the best guards in the game. Defense was one of the best as well. The Bucs are not going to go down in history like the GSOT

[RamItUpDaBuc]

@RamItUpDaBuc Just to clarify.

Kurt Warner “in his prime” threw for 4800 yards, 36 TD & 22 interceptions. Warner’s BEST year was 4300 yards, 43 TD & 13 interceptions. That compares to Tom Brady at fucking 43: 4600 yards, 40 TDs & 12 interceptions…all on a brand new team.

Yes our offense is better. That’s no shade to the GSOT. Brady is the GOAT and so is this offense.

Dude you can't compare an offense from the late 90s to one in 2020-2021. Rules make offense so much easier these days. It's an unfair comparison. If the GSOT got to play under current rules they'd be unstoppable.

[Primeminister]

Ricky Proehl better than Chris Godwin? JFC @King Bootz was right. That ash is getting to your brain.

As far as current TEs Kelce & Kittle combine to make the blocking + receiving threat Gronk is. Together they make a great Gronk. @RamItUpDaBuc

[Primeminister]

@RamItUpDaBuc Just to clarify.

Kurt Warner “in his prime” threw for 4800 yards, 36 TD & 22 interceptions. Warner’s BEST year was 4300 yards, 43 TD & 13 interceptions. That compares to Tom Brady at fucking 43: 4600 yards, 40 TDs & 12 interceptions…all on a brand new team.

Yes our offense is better. That’s no shade to the GSOT. Brady is the GOAT and so is this offense.

Dude you can't compare an offense from the late 90s to one in 2020-2021. Rules make offense so much easier these days. It's an unfair comparison. If the GSOT got to play under current rules they'd be unstoppable.

I didn’t start the in depth comparison. You did lol. The one area you guys had over us was Faulk. He is unmatched in most of NFL history. The rest of that offense wouldn’t beat ours.

[RamItUpDaBuc]

Dude I get that you won the Super Bowl but your talking about a legacy in the GSOT. No team can compare to it. Ask any NFL fan who they would take and 9 out of 10 would say the GSOT over the Bucs.

[Primeminister]

Dude I get that you won the Super Bowl but your talking about a legacy in the GSOT. No team can compare to it. Ask any NFL fan who they would take and 9 out of 10 would say the GSOT over the Bucs.

I can respect the legacy and acknowledge this offense is better. No shade bro. It’s just truth.

[King Bootz]

Ricky Proehl better than Chris Godwin? JFC @King Bootz was right. That ash is getting to your brain.

As far as current TEs Kelce & Kittle combine to make the blocking + receiving threat Gronk is. Together they make a great Gronk. @RamItUpDaBuc

[RamItUpDaBuc]

Primeminister is the #1 shit talker here. We'll see how that works for you come Sunday bro

[Primeminister]

Primeminister is the #1 shit talker here. We'll see how that works for you come Sunday bro

Lol you’ve talked more shit than anyone here. Plus I heard the same thing from Rams, Saints and Bears fans last season. We had the last laugh anyway.

[Dread]

The Bucs need to be healthy in January, so if JPP needs the month of October off so he can make the stretch run so be it.

We'll have to cope with our stud 1st rd pick get more snaps, and we still have Shaq Barrett on the other edge.

AB being out with Covid sucks b/c Rams play alot of off coverage where AB can exploit them with WR screens and underneath stuff

[RamItUpDaBuc]

Ricky Proehl better than Chris Godwin? JFC @King Bootz was right. That ash is getting to your brain.

As far as current TEs Kelce & Kittle combine to make the blocking + receiving threat Gronk is. Together they make a great Gronk. @RamItUpDaBuc

Bro if you're as mental as Kanye I'll take that as a compliment.

[RamItUpDaBuc]

Primeminister is the #1 shit talker here. We'll see how that works for you come Sunday bro

Lol you’ve talked more shit than anyone here. Plus I heard the same thing from Rams, Saints and Bears fans last season. We had the last laugh anyway.

You did. Last year is over though. And heavy disagreement on Gronkowski. He's not on the same level as Kelce and Kittle. As much as it stings to say, Kittle might be the best in the league.

[Primeminister]

Lol you’ve talked more shit than anyone here. Plus I heard the same thing from Rams, Saints and Bears fans last season. We had the last laugh anyway.

You did. Last year is over though. And heavy disagreement on Gronkowski. He's not on the same level as Kelce and Kittle. As much as it stings to say, Kittle might be the best in the league.

I respect the trash talk. This Sunday’s game should be fun AF. Here’s to no injuries and damn good game.

[King Bootz]

Bro if you're as mental as Kanye I'll take that as a compliment.

Be thankful you’re talking to King Bootz and not Bootz2004, kiddo. Bootz2004 would’ve made you wished you went up in flames in those wildfires. Let’s leave it at that.

[RamItUpDaBuc]

You did. Last year is over though. And heavy disagreement on Gronkowski. He's not on the same level as Kelce and Kittle. As much as it stings to say, Kittle might be the best in the league.

I respect the trash talk. This Sunday’s game should be fun AF. Here’s to no injuries and damn good game.

I respect it as well bro. You can bring it. Should be game of the year to this point.

[Pirate Life]

Brady at 40-44 years old is better than Kurt ever was. Hell Brady at 44 is better than Kurt was . Gronk right now is better than any TE in football and anything you had on that team. Same goes for Antonio.

Then we can discuss the rest of the team.

I can agree with Brady over Kurt. But Gronk being the best TE in football right now? Kittle and Kelce are better dude. Way better. Martz didn't use TEs much in his system in the passing game. If Brown were on the GSOT he'd be in the same spot he is on this team the 3rd receiver. Ricky Proehl and Az Hakim are better than the rest of the receivers on your Bucs team. Our OL was better. Pace is arguably the best to play the position. Timmerman was one of the best guards in the game. Defense was one of the best as well. The Bucs are not going to go down in history like the GSOT

Waaay off on Gronk. Kittle and Kelce are basically just big receivers. They aren't known for their blocking - especially Kelce. Gronk, in addition to being a fantastic receiver, is a damn good blocking tight end also. Just watch some film of them and stop paying attention to the talking heads on ESPN.

Right now, Evans is likely to end up in the HOF discussion. Couple of more seasons of 1000+ yards and he's in. Godwin is a possibility if he can keep it up. As far as OL goes, the Bucs don't get as much credit as they should. Marpet and Wirfs are pretty dang good - just watch film of the game last year to see what Wirfs did as a rookie to your boy Donald. Then consider that while missing our best o-lineman last year Donald didn't get a tackle, sack or even a QB pressure. It's the only game last year he didn't get some sort of stat other than snaps.

Pace is one of the greats, but I'd take the other LT drafted in the same year over him. Walter Jones doesn't get enough credit for how outstanding he was. Played for 12 years, started every game and over the course of his career was only called for 35 penalties (less than half what Pace was called for). Only gave up an average of 5.1 sacks/year (Pace averaged 5.7 with one more year but less games). Overall, Munoz is at the head of the line though.

And GTFOH about the Rams defense being one of the best, they were good but nowhere near as good as the Bucs, Ravens, Steelers, Titans, etc of the time.

Even with the team's success last year, I don't think a lot of fans really understand how good some of the players on this team are. It's not like Brady, Brown and Gronk are the sole reasons the Bucs won it all last year. You'll find out some of that this Sunday.

[Dread]

That Rams defense had Lovie Smith as DC, that is an automatic disqualification from any "great" conversation.

In fact, even mentioning such nonsense should be a ban-worthy offense.

[13F11B]

The GSOT was saved by the Bert Emmanuel rule not existing yet.

[King Bootz]

[Jason Bourne]

JPP and Mickens are out , AB isn’t officially … yet.

Looks like we see Jaelon Darden this week and JTS

[Noles1724]

so we are missing key players against the rams and we take the L.. so like last year? not mad at that, last year ended a-ok.

[mdb1958]

I wonder if we should go big at OLB on one side some plays

[King Bootz]

I wonder if we should go big at OLB on one side some plays

You tell me.

[mdb1958]

It has entered thy brain, mission accomplished.

[Cheb]

I wonder if we should go big at OLB on one side some plays

Maybe.

The best way for any team to beat us is to avoid our front seven at all costs, get the ball quickly to their perimeter athletes in space, and put the stress of making defensive plays on our corners. We've seen both of our first two games play out that way, and I think we will be seeing that most of the year.

Per sharpfootballstats, the Rams run 11 personnel (1 back, 1 tight ends, 3 receivers) 83% of the time, which is the highest percentage in the league. They're in 12 personnel most of the remaining time, for the curious. That 11 personnel grouping is built to do get the ball to the edges of the defense and stress corners while still having a credible run threat.

If we play base defense against 11 personnel, our edges need to be able to drop to help out in pass defense. The bigger those guys are, the less that will happen.

Personally, I would play alot of nickel versus 11 with our defense. We don't need the extra big body to rush the passer or defend the run; we need the extra defensive back to shore up our woeful pass defense.

We will see what Bowles does.

[King Bootz]

It has entered thy brain, mission accomplished.

Did I just get mdb'd?