You think it's easy moving goal posts? Especially when the easiest move was already taken?Kress wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:38 pmI am sure they noticed, despite the absence of social media, that a man was dead. I mean, come on.King Bootz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:31 pm
This was 1971. I can understand that. I'm sure the was no announcement that he had passed away. People didn't have cell phones or social media either. I wonder how it impacted players.
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You're probably right. Hard to speak on something from 52 years ago that I had no knowledge of before todayKress wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:38 pmI am sure they noticed, despite the absence of social media, that a man was dead. I mean, come on.King Bootz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:31 pm
This was 1971. I can understand that. I'm sure the was no announcement that he had passed away. People didn't have cell phones or social media either. I wonder how it impacted players.
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From what I’ve heard on tv from doctors, the biggest concern is brain damage and if he has had neurological setbacks from this. No one knows because they haven’t released much information, but if he has suffered some brain damage from this, it’s obviously a concern. I pray that is not the case.Nobody wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:40 pm My nonprofessional understanding is that the longer someone is continuously intubated, it becomes decreasingly likely that things change.
So far as I can tell, he isn’t undergoing procedures that would require continued intubation? If they have tested to see if he can breathe on his own then I’m not seeing where its been reported (neither have there been any leaks about brain function).
Has there been any information about either of those things?
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They will not know the extent of that until he is woken up, right?
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And that's the last time anyone at that medical center will say anything to him, ever. But lung damage, like that which can happen with extended CPR, would necessitate a ventilator and that alone might be a good reason to keep him under a little longer.
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From reports coming out from Matt Parrino, Bills reporter who says he talked to Hamlin’s uncle, he is now breathing 50% on his own compared to 0% last night. On a ventilator still. If true, that is trending in the right direction.
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I'll confess utter ignorance here, but that's a thing? I thought you either had a tube down your throat doing your breathing for you, or you did it on your own. No percentages involved?
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) ?Moozician wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 2:53 pmWhat is the cutoff for a "complete" game?
Some sports (NASCAR for instance had rules for calling a race due to weather, and if the race was over 50% complete, the leader at that time was awarded the race. This was sometime ago, when racing wasn't all butchered up like it is now.
Does the NFL have a similar rule?
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Dang it sounds like he was very close to death. They had to resuscitate him again at hospital. Thank God it appears he’s trending up.
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This is great news. He may never play football again, but at least he'll be able to meet his kids and grandkids.
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No, there are varying degrees of ventilatory support. Before a patient gets weaned off a ventilator, they prove they can breathe on their own while still being intubated. Basically, the ventilator provides less and less support as the patient breathes more on their own with the goal eventually being removing the tube.
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He might have a trach in right now.reagan SMASH wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:07 pmNo, there are varying degrees of ventilatory support. Before a patient gets weaned off a ventilator, they prove they can breathe on their own while still being intubated. Basically, the ventilator provides less and less support as the patient breathes more on their own with the goal eventually being removing the tube.
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I know I'm usually the optimist on here, but if he pulls through I will be stunned.
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Why do you say that? I would put the chances of him having a trach at close to 0% based on the information that's public. Trachs are usually done for longer term ventilation support and for airway compromise. Someone who had an acute event 24 hours ago would not need a trach unless they had a obstruction or trauma requiring them to bypass the upper airway.
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I think he’ll pull through. My question is whether or not he’ll be the same person.
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Good article touching on general protocol and the injury.
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If you say so.reagan SMASH wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:14 pmWhy do you say that? I would put the chances of him having a trach at close to 0% based on the information that's public. Trachs are usually done for longer term ventilation support and for airway compromise. Someone who had an acute event 24 hours ago would not need a trach unless they had a obstruction or trauma requiring them to bypass the upper airway.
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Good read. Much better than the wild speculation some are doing. We are so used to instant gratification we can't even wait for things like this to sort out.Snake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:33 pm Good article touching on general protocol and the injury.
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/a-co ... 478be.html
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Really hope I'm wrong but I get the feeling they are keeping him alive long enough for family to get to Cincy.......
Maybe some team mates that want to say good-bye and so on.
If it was cardiac arrest and his heart is beating again that is no longer the issue, right?
The issue becomes how long was his heart stopped. If it was too long he could be brain dead, a vegetable.
Obviously I hope I'm wrong but that's where I'm leaning.
I wouldn't be surprised if his family and the NFL already know the outcome, they're just managing the situation best that can now.
Prayers to the man and his family.
Maybe some team mates that want to say good-bye and so on.
If it was cardiac arrest and his heart is beating again that is no longer the issue, right?
The issue becomes how long was his heart stopped. If it was too long he could be brain dead, a vegetable.
Obviously I hope I'm wrong but that's where I'm leaning.
I wouldn't be surprised if his family and the NFL already know the outcome, they're just managing the situation best that can now.
Prayers to the man and his family.
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Welcome! Good to see you here!reagan SMASH wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:07 pmNo, there are varying degrees of ventilatory support. Before a patient gets weaned off a ventilator, they prove they can breathe on their own while still being intubated. Basically, the ventilator provides less and less support as the patient breathes more on their own with the goal eventually being removing the tube.
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It means that, on Monday night, his FI02 (fraction of inspired oxygen) was 100%. Yesterday they were able to wean him down to 50% FI02, which is good news. Nearly ready to be weaned off completely.
Also, I imagine that they performed a "code cool" after reaching ROSC (return of spontaneous circulation). They do this primarily to protect the brain from any further damage.
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It's too early for that. Generally speaking, that happens at around 10 days of being intubated._MB_ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:09 pmHe might have a trach in right now.reagan SMASH wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:07 pm
No, there are varying degrees of ventilatory support. Before a patient gets weaned off a ventilator, they prove they can breathe on their own while still being intubated. Basically, the ventilator provides less and less support as the patient breathes more on their own with the goal eventually being removing the tube.
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One thing to consider is that there is no need for them to rush. They've probably done structural scans of his heart and brain by now, so the fact that he hasn't apparently had any surgeries is a good thing. Some of the more precise brain scans take time and specialized equipment/personnel to perform and then subsequently interpret the results.Navybuc wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:58 pmFrom what I’ve heard on tv from doctors, the biggest concern is brain damage and if he has had neurological setbacks from this. No one knows because they haven’t released much information, but if he has suffered some brain damage from this, it’s obviously a concern. I pray that is not the case.Nobody wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:40 pm My nonprofessional understanding is that the longer someone is continuously intubated, it becomes decreasingly likely that things change.
So far as I can tell, he isn’t undergoing procedures that would require continued intubation? If they have tested to see if he can breathe on his own then I’m not seeing where its been reported (neither have there been any leaks about brain function).
Has there been any information about either of those things?
Given the fact that this is such a high profile case and patient they definitely don't want to rush and fuck something up.
That said, anything could be happening right now. We simply don't know, I just choose to try to look for silver linings.
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People have always speculated amongst themselves about events they've witnessed but not had part in.13F11B wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:35 pmGood read. Much better than the wild speculation some are doing. We are so used to instant gratification we can't even wait for things like this to sort out.Snake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:33 pm Good article touching on general protocol and the injury.
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/a-co ... 478be.html
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I am just hoping that things turn out well for him. Waiting for official reports and ignoring wild speculation.The Outsider wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:24 am That said, anything could be happening right now. We simply don't know, I just choose to try to look for silver linings.
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This.13F11B wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:20 amI am just hoping that things turn out well for him. Waiting for official reports and ignoring wild speculation.The Outsider wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:24 am That said, anything could be happening right now. We simply don't know, I just choose to try to look for silver linings.
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Well I think the statements from the uncle are encouraging. It sheds light on just how close he was to losing his life. The fact he had to be resuscitated twice is difficult to overcome and why I’m sure he’s still in very critical condition and nowhere near out of the woods.13F11B wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:20 amI am just hoping that things turn out well for him. Waiting for official reports and ignoring wild speculation.The Outsider wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:24 am That said, anything could be happening right now. We simply don't know, I just choose to try to look for silver linings.
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Maybe we should stop depending on reports from an uncle who heard from someone else who heard from someone else.Navybuc wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:51 amWell I think the statements from the uncle are encouraging. It sheds light on just how close he was to losing his life. The fact he had to be resuscitated twice is difficult to overcome and why I’m sure he’s still in very critical condition and nowhere near out of the woods.
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What I hope to hear soon is that Hamlin's condition has been upgraded to serious, he is breathing without aid and his brain functions appear normal.
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Who saw this as a possible resolution to the Bills Bengals game dilemma?