The Official 2023 NFL Off-Season Thread
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You're changing a huge part of the game and how a lot of these guys make a roster.
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Go away with the kickoff and give the scoring team the ball on their own 30, make it 4th and 15. Either go for it or punt.MJW wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:44 pmHonestly at this point, just do away with the middleman. Be done with kickoffs. That's what they want to do anyway. Offense gets the ball on the 25. And instead of the Onside Kick, just do that "One Play, 4th and 15" thing that's been discussed for years. It'd be 10x more exciting than onside kicks anyway.
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The league is doing it already.
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Cheb wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:06 amGo away with the kickoff and give the scoring team the ball on their own 30, make it 4th and 15. Either go for it or punt.MJW wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:44 pm
Honestly at this point, just do away with the middleman. Be done with kickoffs. That's what they want to do anyway. Offense gets the ball on the 25. And instead of the Onside Kick, just do that "One Play, 4th and 15" thing that's been discussed for years. It'd be 10x more exciting than onside kicks anyway.
I'm curious what the conversion rate on 4th and 15 would be. For a team with an elite offense, they would have to like their odds a hell of a lot more than they would an onside kick.
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Tell me that scenario isn't 10x more exciting than the onside kick as well. And it wouldn't be a bounce of the ball deciding the outcome either. The offense brings their best play for long yardage. The defense brings their best play to stop it. The better team wins.Terry Tate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:07 am
I'm curious what the conversion rate on 4th and 15 would be. For a team with an elite offense, they would have to like their odds a hell of a lot more than they would an onside kick.
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I didn't know offhand, so I looked it up.Terry Tate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:07 am
I'm curious what the conversion rate on 4th and 15 would be. For a team with an elite offense, they would have to like their odds a hell of a lot more than they would an onside kick.
Per The Sporting News (source below), the conversion percentage for fourth-and-15 is nearly 22%, which surprised me. By comparison, onside kicks are about 5%.
I think that's a tempting enough carrot for teams to take. It's a low percentage, sure, and if you don't convert you basically guarantee at least three points to the other team. But if you have faith in your 4th-and-15 package and/or your fake punt game, it could flip the whole script of the game.
Two of the best plays in the game imo are 4th and long attempts and fake punts, and increasing the likelihood of them happening is only a win as far as I'm concerned.
Moreover, kickoff returns are dying. Replacing them with a special teams alternative via punting would be a win imo, while also opening a reasonable but risky door for the kicking team to maintain possession.
Source: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl ... majxqkfipp
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I see pass interference and defensive holding calls becoming an even bigger part of the game with this idea
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It's a fair point, but I'd still argue the pros outweigh the cons.Selmon Rules wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:12 pm I see pass interference and defensive holding calls becoming an even bigger part of the game with this idea
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You know what, you sold me off 22% and more exciting.
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This should be a much larger story than it is. The majority of NFL stadiums aren't owned outright by the teams playing in them. The Vikings now outright own their stadium AND their tax payers aren't footing the bill for things like interest, stadium upkeep and security.
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If nothing else, it's something some of us with mortgages and car payments should keep in mind...pay down the principle whenever you can.Bootz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:41 pm This should be a much larger story than it is. The majority of NFL stadiums aren't owned outright by the teams playing in them. The Vikings now outright own their stadium AND their tax payers aren't footing the bill for things like interest, stadium upkeep and security.
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Ed Oliver got a nice deal - 4/68. He hasn't quite been what his fans (like me) thought he'd be coming into the league. He's been good, sometimes great, but not dominant. This is a good deal for him and considering where the market is headed on plus defensive linemen, not a bad value for the Bills.
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You mean to tell me you were wrong about a draft prospect?! I kid I kid.MJW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:02 am Ed Oliver got a nice deal - 4/68. He hasn't quite been what his fans (like me) thought he'd be coming into the league. He's been good, sometimes great, but not dominant. This is a good deal for him and considering where the market is headed on plus defensive linemen, not a bad value for the Bills.
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I'm wrong about LOTS of draft prospects (though not as many as some of the dudes making seven figures!)Grahamburn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:20 amYou mean to tell me you were wrong about a draft prospect?! I kid I kid.MJW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:02 am Ed Oliver got a nice deal - 4/68. He hasn't quite been what his fans (like me) thought he'd be coming into the league. He's been good, sometimes great, but not dominant. This is a good deal for him and considering where the market is headed on plus defensive linemen, not a bad value for the Bills.
I wouldn't say I was wrong about Oliver. He's a really good player. But I thought he'd be at least at that Gerald McCoy/Tommie Harris kinda level.
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Colts signed veteran free-agent WR Breshad Perriman.
Good luck young man!!
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Who was it here that kept kissing his ass saying he's "a pro's pro" or some bullshit like that?
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Not bad not bad
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That would be a beautiful stadium.
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The Rays need something like that.
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Ahem The Saudis will be funding it, as soon as they buy out the NFL.
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Vikings released Dalvin Cook
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Is he broken?
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He's fallen victim to the mythical perception that RBs have little value in this league and are easily replaced. Cook had a great season. He's honestly been an elite level RB for the past 4 years. The Vikings are simply predicting that he'll have a downfall this season. That's all.
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One year rental. Let's gooooo!Bootz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:41 pmHe's fallen victim to the mythical perception that RBs have little value in this league and are easily replaced. Cook had a great season. He's honestly been an elite level RB for the past 4 years. The Vikings are simply predicting that he'll have a downfall this season. That's all.
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The Falcons duet of Tyler Allegheirerersdf and Cordarrelle Patterson was significantly better than Cook last year, despite his great season. Maybe think on that point for a moment.Bootz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:41 pmHe's fallen victim to the mythical perception that RBs have little value in this league and are easily replaced. Cook had a great season. He's honestly been an elite level RB for the past 4 years. The Vikings are simply predicting that he'll have a downfall this season. That's all.
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What are arbitrary points that have zero correlation to the topic, Ken.MJW wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:49 pmThe Falcons duet of Tyler Allegheirerersdf and Cordarrelle Patterson was significantly better than Cook last year, despite his great season. Maybe think on that point for a moment.Bootz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:41 pm
He's fallen victim to the mythical perception that RBs have little value in this league and are easily replaced. Cook had a great season. He's honestly been an elite level RB for the past 4 years. The Vikings are simply predicting that he'll have a downfall this season. That's all.
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And clearing $9M in cap space. Surprised they weren't able to trade him for something.Bootz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:41 pmHe's fallen victim to the mythical perception that RBs have little value in this league and are easily replaced. Cook had a great season. He's honestly been an elite level RB for the past 4 years. The Vikings are simply predicting that he'll have a downfall this season. That's all.
Glad they won't have him week 1.
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And then subsequently drafted Bijan.MJW wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:49 pmThe Falcons duet of Tyler Allegheirerersdf and Cordarrelle Patterson was significantly better than Cook last year, despite his great season. Maybe think on that point for a moment.Bootz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:41 pm
He's fallen victim to the mythical perception that RBs have little value in this league and are easily replaced. Cook had a great season. He's honestly been an elite level RB for the past 4 years. The Vikings are simply predicting that he'll have a downfall this season. That's all.
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8th overall at that. Don't think she completely thought out her "point" here.
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I missed the part where myself - and most of the world - thought that was a good idea.
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What is the topic? How Dalvin Cook's a stud but the Vikings (plus the other 31 teams who wouldn't offer a 7th for him) haven't figured out what you have about Cook's irreplaceable production?
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