The OFFICIAL 2024 Bucs off-season thread

[Phantom]

The cap payment always comes due.

Just wait until they give Baker a 30 million AAV and Mike isn’t around to bail him out.

Get a cost controlled stud rookie quarterback and pay everybody else.

That I agree with you, Mayfield isn't worth 30 million AAV. I rather roll with McCarthy, Evans, etc., than to lose Evans.

[GreatTimes]

Oh no....maybe we won't be able to afford signing Baker to a big money deal with only 80M in potential cap...

What would be worse is if the Bucs sign Baker to a long term, expensive contract and Baker reverts to playing like he has done most of his career.

[Phantom]

We must keep Evans on our team at all costs. Make sure it gets done, Licht

[acmillis]

Oh no....maybe we won't be able to afford signing Baker to a big money deal with only 80M in potential cap...

What would be worse is if the Bucs sign Baker to a long term, expensive contract and Baker reverts to playing like he has done most of his career.

“If” …s/b “when”

[Doctor]

He already reverted to that last year.

[Bootz]

Who said anything about voided years? We'll likely never be fully free of those, they are a rolling mechanism.

You did.

We weren't going to pay off the entire credit card in one year. We took the bulk of it, probably 80% of it, last year. The remaining 20% is still due, but it's not a big deal the massage into the cap with modern structuring techniques.

Credit card is literally code for VOIDED YEARS.

Even then, I was referring to the full cap burden, both active and voided, that was put on the card. Godwin, Gage, Jensen, Brady, AB, Gronk, etc etc etc. We are over the worst but aren't out of its shadow just yet. The important thing is we didn't let it drag this team down even at the darkest point. More important still, what's left over is very very manageable.

We're not over the worst because we keep adding to it. Next offseason is quite literally worse than this one. Where we have a combined dead cap of $21.7mil this year from 6 players on voided years, Chris Godwin alone is $18mil+. Shaq is another $12mil. There are others as well. And it gets worse as you start extending & pushing money into next year.

[Cheb]

We entered today with $132k in dead cap. Entering tomorrow we will have nearly $22 million in dead cap, in part because we could not get deals done. Or conversely we chose not to.

Now we are down to $32 million in cap space. Moreover, there's a strong chance that we chose to take this hit on the chin instead of trying to dodge it, which makes me wonder if we are further trying to accelerate our cap reset by choosing not to restructure our expensive players. Which means that the idea of bringing back our core guys is further away today than it was yesterday.

Color me pessimistic.

[kaimaru]

Lets hear your way for us to have a devastating four man rush.

My first step towards fixing our pass rush is to add another young guy in the draft, even if he's strictly a rotational player who plays exclusively in passrushing situations. We likely don't have the cheese to get a juicy free agent, as we will likely have to spend our dollars on keeping our own established guys here.

There are an awful lot of edge rushers this offseason. Why can't we get one or two after the initial run of signings?

Josh Allen, Jacksonville Jaguars
Brian Burns, Carolina Panthers
Danielle Hunter, Minnesota Vikings
Chase Young, San Francisco 49ers
Bryce Huff, New York Jets
Jonathan Greenard, Houston Texans
Za’Darius Smith, Cleveland Browns
Leonard Floyd, Buffalo Bills
Jadeveon Clowney, Baltimore Ravens
Josh Uche, New England Patriots
Andrew Van Ginkel (MIA)
Carl Lawson (NYJ)
Brandon Graham (PHI)
Denico Autry (TEN)
Dorance Armstrong (DAL)
Mario Edwards Jr. (SEA)
Marcus Davenport (MIN)

[Moozician]

I'm willing to bet Brandon Aiyuk is either traded or extended this offseason with 1 year left on his deal.

Bucs will probably trade Evans for Aiyuk, or something like that...

[Bootz]

I'm willing to bet Brandon Aiyuk is either traded or extended this offseason with 1 year left on his deal.

Bucs will probably trade Evans for Aiyuk, or something like that...

And still wouldn't sign Aiyuk to an extension.

[Bootz]

The cap payment always comes due.

Just wait until they give Baker a 30 million AAV and Mike isn’t around to bail him out.

Get a cost controlled stud rookie quarterback and pay everybody else.

At this point, absolutely. Baker/Evans were always a package deal in my mind (from Bakers perspective) and honestly Baker without Evans makes no sense.

That said, a rookie QB without a guy like Mike Evans makes even less sense.

[GreatTimes]

Baker is now a free agent. The Bucs could resign him, but Baker may think he is going to get a large contract offer with another team.

[Kona]

The cap payment always comes due.

Just wait until they give Baker a 30 million AAV and Mike isn’t around to bail him out.

Get a cost controlled stud rookie quarterback and pay everybody else.

At this point, absolutely. Baker/Evans were always a package deal in my mind (from Bakers perspective) and honestly Baker without Evans makes no sense.

That said, a rookie QB without a guy like Mike Evans makes even less sense.

This is where I’m at. If Evans is gone, the allure of Baker coming back on a big money deal sours on me. If we can get both back, great. If not, sign AWJr and continue to build the team up around whoever will be QB.

[BearLandBucFan]

At this point, absolutely. Baker/Evans were always a package deal in my mind (from Bakers perspective) and honestly Baker without Evans makes no sense.

That said, a rookie QB without a guy like Mike Evans makes even less sense.

This is where I’m at. If Evans is gone, the allure of Baker coming back on a big money deal sours on me. If we can get both back, great. If not, sign AWJr and continue to build the team up around whoever will be QB.

am of the same mindset. It is either a twofer or a nofer for me.

[kaimaru]

This is where I’m at. If Evans is gone, the allure of Baker coming back on a big money deal sours on me. If we can get both back, great. If not, sign AWJr and continue to build the team up around whoever will be QB.

am of the same mindset. It is either a twofer or a nofer for me.

I think most of the board feels that way

[real bucs fan]

Would be a shame if we had to move on again, but Fields would definitely be a fun player to have.

[Grahamburn]

Would be a shame if we had to move on again, but Fields would definitely be a fun player to have.

It’s such an interesting off-season. Our free agents (Baker/Mike) are offset by a seemingly deep draft class at those positions.

Then there are so many other players available outside of “our guys” too.

Licht and his team. It’s their job to take the emotion out of it and build the best team and future with the resources you have available.

[kaimaru]

Would be a shame if we had to move on again, but Fields would definitely be a fun player to have.

It’s such an interesting off-season. Our free agents (Baker/Mike) are offset by a seemingly deep draft class at those positions.

Then there are so many other players available outside of “our guys” too.

Licht and his team. It’s their job to take the emotion out of it and build the best team and future with the resources you have available.

It's also their job not to assume every tackle will work at any IOL position sometimes making them switch sides

[Grahamburn]

wut

[Doctor]

People do know Licht didn't invent that move right?
Half the OTs that come out every year have some form of "may have to be move inside at the next level" on their report.

[Kona]

People do know Licht didn't invent that move right?
Half the OTs that come out every year have some form of "may have to be move inside at the next level" on their report.

Just seems to be his MO, I can’t recall that he’s drafted a true interior OL since he’s been here. Marpet, Cappa, Hainsey, Godeke all OTs in college. Most have worked out, so can’t blame that he has a type.

[GreatTimes]

People do know Licht didn't invent that move right?
Half the OTs that come out every year have some form of "may have to be move inside at the next level" on their report.

Just seems to be his MO, I can’t recall that he’s drafted a true interior OL since he’s been here. Marpet, Cappa, Hainsey, Godeke all OTs in college. Most have worked out, so can’t blame that he has a type.

Most of those college OT's who have been moved to IOL have worked out as pass blockers. But the run game is a whole different story. Those former OT's are not quick or agile enough to be pulling guards on trap blocking plays and end sweeps.

[Jonny]

People do know Licht didn't invent that move right?
Half the OTs that come out every year have some form of "may have to be move inside at the next level" on their report.

Just seems to be his MO, I can’t recall that he’s drafted a true interior OL since he’s been here. Marpet, Cappa, Hainsey, Godeke all OTs in college. Most have worked out, so can’t blame that he has a type.

I don't know if most have worked. Hainsey is below average as a center. Goedeke was a disaster as LG even for a rookie. Cappa was solid, but a much better pass blocker and a mediocre at best run blocker. Marpet is truly the only one that worked. I wonder if Licht's strategy is why we have sucked at running the ball his whole tenure.

I hope we draft a true center and Guard with mauling tendencies. Not a low quality OT that ends up being a project as an interior lineman.

[Phantom]

@acmillis How many Buccaneers games did you attend last season? I went to all of them but Jaguars and Saints because of family obligations. Christmas Eveand New Year Eve? Come on lol

[acmillis]

Two total last year.
Both ATL games. My brother lives in ATL.

[mdb1958]

Just seems to be his MO, I can’t recall that he’s drafted a true interior OL since he’s been here. Marpet, Cappa, Hainsey, Godeke all OTs in college. Most have worked out, so can’t blame that he has a type.

I don't know if most have worked. Hainsey is below average as a center. Goedeke was a disaster as LG even for a rookie. Cappa was solid, but a much better pass blocker and a mediocre at best run blocker. Marpet is truly the only one that worked. I wonder if Licht's strategy is why we have sucked at running the ball his whole tenure.

I hope we draft a true center and Guard with mauling tendencies. Not a low quality OT that ends up being a project as an interior lineman.

Seems to be a shortage of offensive linemen who have taken LG snaps.

[Bootz]

@mdb1958 you have back stories on these guys yet or you need more time?

[Buc2]

Two total last year.
Both ATL games. My brother lives in ATL.

So, it's safe to say you're in the season ticket market almost solely as an investment via the resell market?

[acmillis]

Two total last year.
Both ATL games. My brother lives in ATL.

So, it's safe to say you're in the season ticket market almost solely as an investment via the resell market?

I didn't have season tickets last season. First time in almost two decades I gave them up. I didn't believe in this team with Baker last season (proven wrong last season), and, yes, I figured that I'd lose money if I ended up wanting to sell tickets to games I did not want to attend.

I never sold tickets to games on a regular basis until the Brady years. Brady made me a crap ton of money and I thank him for that. It's tough to drive 2.5+ hours each way, especially during the Brady years when we had several primetime games, my 5-8 YO son getting home at 2-3 a.m., not good.

[Buc2]

So, it's safe to say you're in the season ticket market almost solely as an investment via the resell market?

I didn't have season tickets last season. First time in almost two decades I gave them up. I didn't believe in this team with Baker last season (proven wrong last season), and, yes, I figured that I'd lose money if I ended up wanting to sell tickets to games I did not want to attend.

I never sold tickets to games on a regular basis until the Brady years. Brady made me a crap ton of money and I thank him for that. It's tough to drive 2.5+ hours each way, especially during the Brady years when we had several primetime games, my 5-8 YO son getting home at 2-3 a.m., not good.

I can definitely understand that. But...yeah...I thought I remembered you went to a lot of the games but then your post made me question what I thought. lol

[acmillis]

I didn't have season tickets last season. First time in almost two decades I gave them up. I didn't believe in this team with Baker last season (proven wrong last season), and, yes, I figured that I'd lose money if I ended up wanting to sell tickets to games I did not want to attend.

I never sold tickets to games on a regular basis until the Brady years. Brady made me a crap ton of money and I thank him for that. It's tough to drive 2.5+ hours each way, especially during the Brady years when we had several primetime games, my 5-8 YO son getting home at 2-3 a.m., not good.

I can definitely understand that. But...yeah...I thought I remembered you went to a lot of the games but then your post made me question what I thought. lol

IDK why, but I don’t have as much fun at the games “these days” as I did, say, 10 years ago.
I guess when my expectations were so low, it was easier to enjoy.
Now that we’ve been good, and I’ve got some expectations, when they’re not met, I get bitter for waiting an entire day…and the $.

[Phantom]

So, it's safe to say you're in the season ticket market almost solely as an investment via the resell market?

I didn't have season tickets last season. First time in almost two decades I gave them up. I didn't believe in this team with Baker last season (proven wrong last season), and, yes, I figured that I'd lose money if I ended up wanting to sell tickets to games I did not want to attend.

I never sold tickets to games on a regular basis until the Brady years. Brady made me a crap ton of money and I thank him for that. It's tough to drive 2.5+ hours each way, especially during the Brady years when we had several primetime games, my 5-8 YO son getting home at 2-3 a.m., not good.

You got one thing correct, season tickets holders lose a lot of money due to last-minute hacks all over the internet. That's how I got club level seats for $75 for most games. I talked to most of the season ticket holders and they felt that it's not worth buying season tickets because of that.

[Phantom]

In addition to tailgating, spend about $400 on parking for all games a year.

[acmillis]

I didn't have season tickets last season. First time in almost two decades I gave them up. I didn't believe in this team with Baker last season (proven wrong last season), and, yes, I figured that I'd lose money if I ended up wanting to sell tickets to games I did not want to attend.

I never sold tickets to games on a regular basis until the Brady years. Brady made me a crap ton of money and I thank him for that. It's tough to drive 2.5+ hours each way, especially during the Brady years when we had several primetime games, my 5-8 YO son getting home at 2-3 a.m., not good.

You got one thing correct, season tickets holders lose a lot of money due to last-minute hacks all over the internet. That's how I got club level seats for $75 for most games. I talked to most of the season ticket holders and they felt that it's not worth buying season tickets because of that.

10% agree. When I took my son to the Falcons game (in TB) this season, I bought two tickets in 311, Row N, with a parking pass, all for $60 total. It doesn't pay to be a season ticket holder in FL because of all the fairweather fans* not willing to pay for my damn tickets.

Unless you have the GOAT

[mdb1958]

@mdb1958 you have back stories on these guys yet or you need more time?

The only interest I have in a back story is I thought it was time for some change with the position coaches and I hoped I wouldnt be wrong.