Welcome Chris Braswell

[Grahamburn]

Plenty of people in other places are discussing it. I'm not making it up. I've provided several links to different sites crediting him with 13 as well as the highlight and analysis video I posted earlier said 13. Don't know about other player's statistical discrepancies. Doesn't really matter. Just find it interesting that it would be that different.

@Ken 's explanation for it makes sense.

[Bootz]

Plenty of people in other places are discussing it. I'm not making it up. I've provided several links to different sites crediting him with 13 as well as the highlight and analysis video I posted earlier said 13. Don't know about other player's statistical discrepancies. Doesn't really matter. Just find it interesting that it would be that different.

@Ken 's explanation for it makes sense.

Interesting that a quick Google search for Chris Braswell stat discrepancy yields 0 results. But hey, let 2 posters on this board tell it, out of thousands of draft prospects year after year Chris Braswell is the 1st to ever have controversy surrounding his statistical data.

[Bootz]

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/chris-b ... ft-profile

Weird. PFF credits him with 13 sacks also.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl ... s-braswell

I'm going to bet a discrepancy between what some count as designed QB runs vs scrambles.

Also, interesting how different these stats seem than the film breakdown in the few games. An 18.6% pass rush win rate would be like top 5 in the NFL.

That "discrepancy" seemingly has impacted 1 player in the decades of the NFL draft process and he happens to play for this team.

[Selmon Rules]

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/chris-b ... ft-profile

Weird. PFF credits him with 13 sacks also.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl ... s-braswell

Its interesting that you're even entertaining this for this player specifically. Gonna go out on a limb and suggest you've never before brought this into question with ANY OTHER PLAYER that their statistical data is somehow wrong. You're calling Alabama, the NCAA, most other reputable publications liars and it exclusively revolves around Chris Braswell.

You do realize that being wrong and being a liar are two different things, right??

Of all the things you can be upset about, this is what is getting you're panties in a wad??

FWIW, I don't care one way or the other if it was 8 or 13. Kinda late to worry about that now

[Bootz]

Its interesting that you're even entertaining this for this player specifically. Gonna go out on a limb and suggest you've never before brought this into question with ANY OTHER PLAYER that their statistical data is somehow wrong. You're calling Alabama, the NCAA, most other reputable publications liars and it exclusively revolves around Chris Braswell.

You do realize that being wrong and being a liar are two different things, right??

Of all the things you can be upset about, this is what is getting you're panties in a wad??

FWIW, I don't care one way or the other if it was 8 or 13. Kinda late to worry about that now

Being wrong is 1 thing, you're right. But when you're proven wrong and you double down when you know you're wrong, spreading misinformation makes you a liar.

Dude brought it up for a reason. He was desperate to combat the judgment people had of the Braswell pick.

[Grahamburn]

Stoked to get a guy from the SEC with 13 sacks so late in the 2nd.

[Grahamburn]

Funny thing is I didn’t post it as gospel or truth. Just noted that PFF, NFL Draft Buzz, and the analyst in the video posted said 13.

Dude stalks every post I make.

[Grahamburn]

I’ve also seen a couple places credit him with 13 sacks ( that review and draft buzz). Officially only had 8. Dude was around the QB a lot.

May be changing my tune in him.

Here’s the post. And he lost his mind to attack me. Sad.

Even said he officially had 8.

[Bootz]

Funny thing is I didn’t post it as gospel or truth. Just noted that PFF, NFL Draft Buzz, and the analyst in the video posted said 13.

Dude stalks every post I make.

Stalk? On a public forum? no wonder you're so comfortable posting lies. You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the dick.

[Snake]

Stoked to get a guy from the SEC with 13 sacks so late in the 2nd.

This is certainly a way to frame it

[Barnzy]

Doing some digging and more deep dive and I feel a little bit better about the pick. Still concerned about the bend and hip flexibility and I don't think he will win in a way I feel this team lacks at edge - quick to the tackles hip, bendy, swooper type. I did find this however. Pass rush win rate for DL prospects in the last 10 years. Braswell is around some good names. Also interesting to note he's much higher than Dallas Turner. Perhaps the Falcons also got a stud in Trice in the 3rd round.

It's not the be all and end all as Will Anderson and some other names are lower on this graph. But generally being rated positively in this metric is a good thing.

[Ken]

I don't even care what his stats are. They're for losers.

[Snake]

I appreciate stats like that. I wish there was more grain to it though. If a guy wins 90% of his reps against FCS competition, but he can’t beat high-level SEC competition, doesn’t that mean something different?

[Grahamburn]

[BuccaNOLEer]

Good find there. This guy can disrupt plays. And so what if he's a bit lighter than Diaby. A year on the Bucs nutritional system will take care of that.

[Grahamburn]

His channel leans a little positive, which doesn't always go over well here, but he does a nice job with his breakdowns.

[Al Bundy]

Braswell had too much hype coming in. He has SUCKED. He was really awful again last night.

[Bootz]

I wasn't impressed from what I saw or read. Don't see YaYa. Think a little further back...I see Noah Spence.

[Ken]

Definitely if the rookie situational pass rusher isn't lighting it up by Week 7, you move on.

[Al Bundy]

Definitely if the rookie situational pass rusher isn't lighting it up by Week 7, you move on.

He just doesn't have the athletic ability to be an NFL player.

[Grahamburn]

Definitely if the rookie situational pass rusher isn't lighting it up by Week 7, you move on.

He just doesn't have the athletic ability to be an NFL player.

That’s actually what he does have.

[Grahamburn]

Definitely if the rookie situational pass rusher isn't lighting it up by Week 7, you move on.

Mauch. Goedeke. YaYa. McCollum. Hall. I think @Bootz buried all these guys as “trash” during their rookie years.

[Doctor]

No matter how many players we see develop in later years some people will never let go of this "our rookies need to ball" mindset from being a bad franchise with a bad roster.

Breathe.

[Bootz]

Definitely if the rookie situational pass rusher isn't lighting it up by Week 7, you move on.

Mauch. Goedeke. YaYa. McCollum. Hall. I think @Bootz buried all these guys as “trash” during their rookie years.

Wrong.

Mauch, was trash last year. Was trash to start the year and has played well the past couple of weeks.

Goedeke was in fact terrible as a guard, something you can't seem to acknowledge despite it being true. We benched him his rookie season and moved him to RT where he's been much better.

Yaya I never said was trash. I said the floor and ceiling are about the same. That's remained true for him. He does some good things but isn't a consistent pass rush threat. But I've liked him being on the field for us.

McCollum I said was unproven, which he was as he sat behind Dean and Davis. Not sure where you get off thinking that means someone thinks he's a bad player.

Hall is trash. A handful of splash plays against the Falcons isn't going to change that. The Bucs seem to think so as his snaps have decreased now in 3 straight games. He's not consistent and has not shown signs of consistency.

[Grahamburn]

Mauch. Goedeke. YaYa. McCollum. Hall. I think @Bootz buried all these guys as “trash” during their rookie years.

Wrong.

Mauch, was trash last year. Was trash to start the year and has played well the past couple of weeks.

Goedeke was in fact terrible as a guard, something you can't seem to acknowledge despite it being true. We benched him his rookie season and moved him to RT where he's been much better.

Yaya I never said was trash. I said the floor and ceiling are about the same. That's remained true for him. He does some good things but isn't a consistent pass rush threat. But I've liked him being on the field for us.

McCollum I said was unproven, which he was as he sat behind Dean and Davis. Not sure where you get off thinking that means someone thinks he's a bad player.

Hall is trash. A handful of splash plays against the Falcons isn't going to change that. The Bucs seem to think so as his snaps have decreased now in 3 straight games. He's not consistent and has not shown signs of consistency.

Moral of the story is don't give up on guys so quickly.

[Bootz]

Wrong.

Mauch, was trash last year. Was trash to start the year and has played well the past couple of weeks.

Goedeke was in fact terrible as a guard, something you can't seem to acknowledge despite it being true. We benched him his rookie season and moved him to RT where he's been much better.

Yaya I never said was trash. I said the floor and ceiling are about the same. That's remained true for him. He does some good things but isn't a consistent pass rush threat. But I've liked him being on the field for us.

McCollum I said was unproven, which he was as he sat behind Dean and Davis. Not sure where you get off thinking that means someone thinks he's a bad player.

Hall is trash. A handful of splash plays against the Falcons isn't going to change that. The Bucs seem to think so as his snaps have decreased now in 3 straight games. He's not consistent and has not shown signs of consistency.

Moral of the story is don't give up on guys so quickly.

Yea if the story is on Madden.

I think your mindset is one very similar to Docs. You believe any player drafted by the Bucs will pan out and become an asset and any criticism of them is wrong and off base. These aren't robots. Perfection and guarantees shouldn't be the expectation but that's what you put stock in. The truth is you hedge your bets and hope for the best.

Because while you're sitting on your high horse, IIRC you were the biggest KJ Britt cheerleader last year and heading into this year. You were one who crowned McMillan before TC even started. Last year you did the same for Trey Palmer. You said recently that Jason Licht is so great that he never reaches out about trades because the draft does so well. Jason Licht isn't that stupid. Of course you reach out about acquiring players who can help your team. It would be foolish to ignore a resource for player acquisition.

[Grahamburn]

Moral of the story is don't give up on guys so quickly.

Yea if the story is on Madden.

I think your mindset is one very similar to Docs. You believe any player drafted by the Bucs will pan out and become an asset and any criticism of them is wrong and off base. These aren't robots. Perfection and guarantees shouldn't be the expectation but that's what you put stock in. The truth is you hedge your bets and hope for the best.

Because while you're sitting on your high horse, IIRC you were the biggest KJ Britt cheerleader last year and heading into this year. You were one who crowned McMillan before TC even started. Last year you did the same for Trey Palmer. You said recently that Jason Licht is so great that he never reaches out about trades because the draft does so well. Jason Licht isn't that stupid. Of course you reach out about acquiring players who can help your team. It would be foolish to ignore a resource for player acquisition.

I don’t think Licht is some infallible draft savant. Plenty of misses on his resume. Just pointing out that you’ve been pretty negative on other guys rather early in their careers. Seems short sighted to call Braswell Noah Spence after 7 games.

I was pretty much an anyone but Licht pick Devin White truther. Not working out too well, but at least Britt doesn’t cost $9M. Losing Dennis crushed that platoon.

As far as McMillan I pretty much just post what media guys are saying. Lot of hype in camp. He hasn’t done much, yet. Truth. Again, 7 games into his career. Need him to step into some big shoes now. Godwin had 525 yards his rookie year. Let’s hope McMillan can surpass that.

[Doctor]

There's a huge difference between "alright, I can see what's he's seeing here" and thinking he's infallible. Licht has had plenty of misses. Any moment I get I will crucify him for not getting Brian Branch.

Nor does anyone think players "only go up". Players are human with countless variables impacting their lives. Devin White is a textbook case.
Had all the upside in the world, and we milked the flashes of it to the the tune of a SB, but it turns out his priorities are his horses and his health. Maybe it always was that way, maybe it happen when he saw Shaq's sequence of unfortunate events, who knows. But things unraveled the way they did and Licht moved on.


What we can't stand is when people can't see the good that's developing right in front of them because they are busy looking for something else. "This player is already a stater for his team, this player already has X many sacks." Yeah, so?

Reaching for the bust label 7 weeks in? Really?

[Al Bundy]

He just doesn't have the athletic ability to be an NFL player.

That’s actually what he does have.

No he doesn't. Did you watch him get clowned by Jackson? Braswell is so unathletic he had to run full speed at Jackson and he couldn't slow down quick enough to make a play. My best bet is Braswell is a camp cut next offseason due to not being able to adjust to playing against actual athletes.

[Grahamburn]

[Grahamburn]

Calling a guy a poor athlete because he couldn’t tackle Lamar Jackson one on one in the open field sure is a take.

[Backside]

We'd have no defenders left in the league if everyone who got juked by Lamar was cut.

[Doctor]

What they said.

[Bootz]

What exactly is the argument then? That Braswell is better than he's shown himself to be?

[Backside]

What exactly is the argument then? That Braswell is better than he's shown himself to be?

That he's a rookie who has shown very little so far, but also doesn't need to be labelled a complete bust after a handful of games.

And that getting juked by Lamar is not some terrible thing.