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CannonFire wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:56 pm
Backside wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 11:34 am

Baker is a king maker. The previous two are now head coaches, in case you needed reminding.
That's one way to look at it. Another would be... 'If this guy can make Baker Mayfield look good, he'll be able to make my guy look great". After all, Stefanski is doing ok there in Cleveland w/o Baker and Canales seemed to make good strides with Young in Carolina.

Bryce Young (career), before benching: 59.5%, 3176, 11 tds, 13 ints, 5.4 ypa, 71.0 passer rating
After getting benched: 61.8%, 2104, 15 tds, 6 ints, 6.6 ypa, 88.9 passer rating

Pretty big improvement, eh?


Lol, this is comedy gold.

In two seasons, Stefanski w/Baker won 19 games, lost 15. Baker even did him a favor and managed to beat PIT in the playoffs @PIT, without Stefanski even being there.

In the next three seasons w/o Baker, Stefanski's won just 2 more games, 21, and lost 34. And while CLE did manage to get to the playoffs, I mean, that's "doing ok??" I'm sure Stefanski would disagree.

And Flacco? Well, he got a free ride to the playoffs courtesy of that defensed, and then he promptly shit the bed. Two scoring drives, followed by, was it 7 consecutive scoreless drives to finish up the game? Yep, 7 futile drives. In a row. Including starting the 2nd half with a pair of pick-6s?

Don't get me wrong, I think Stefanski is a pretty good coach. But if "any QB could do what Baker did in CLE/TB," then what happened? Especially when you consider that after Baker was traded, CLE was sporting a dominant defense.


Just lol. :D
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CannonFire wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 10:53 am

This guy thinks Kevin Stefanski isn't a good coach. LOL

Guy's first year, takes a 6-win team (w/Mayfield), to the playoffs. After getting saddled with Watson and losing Nick Chubb W2, goes to the playoffs with JOE FLACCO! No, that dude's not a good coach. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Mayfield's been in Tampa 3 years... now has 3 different OC's. Weird.

Never said Stefanski isn't a decent coach. He's a very good OC, but not a great head coach imo. Heck, with some of the news about Saban and Cleveland today Snake's theory of Stefanski's time unemployed might get tested (I think it'd likely be quick but most likely get hired as an OC somewhere). That being said, you've implied before that Mayfield was the reason he'd had so many coaches over the seasons. But we'll let that slide, read carefully and you might learn something.

One of the key things that people like you gloss over in the 'many different coaches' discussion about players (not just Mayfield btw), is the systems they are in and how different they are from one another not necessarily the tweaks the coach's make to that system. In Mayfield's first three seasons, he had three different basic offensive systems. For the sake of this discussion we'll focus on 2019 and 2020 to help you understand why the Browns' record and offense improved - Stefanski helped, but more so Mayfield was finally in a system that fits his skillset best. This will be important later as it relates to his time here. You can refer back to the post you quoted for the three basic systems.

In 2019, the Browns ran a version of the Air Coryell offense, which is what the Bucs also had under Arians and Brady. High risk, high reward with the passing game emphasizing big plays. QBs in their first years in the Air Coryell offense tend to throw a lot of INTS. See Winston and Mayfield's 2019 seasons as prime examples. Heck, can throw in Brady's 2020 as well, he was over his average yearly INT total in 2020 with 12 or tied for his 3rd worst season (he's got a could of 14s, a 13 and then a lot of 12's - two with the Bucs). As Arians said, "No risk it, no biscuit'. The Browns in 2019 had a lot of troubles on their o-line and offense in general. Only 2 o-line played every game (LG and C), revolving doors at tackle (literally and figuratively) and despite having OBJ their best receiver was Jarvis Landry. OBJ was on the injured report every week of the 2019 season and was showing the effects of the multiple ankle injuries he'd had in the past couple of seasons. Lowest catch rate of his career to that point at 53%. So, they were snakebit on offense kinda like we were on defense last year. Just lots of injuries and guys missing games. Not idea - especially on the o-line - when trying to get a new offense installed.

Now, as we know from watching Arians' version here in Tampa, the Air Coryell offense is pass-heavy - especially wanting to throw deep. Freddie Kitchens in his infinite wisdom decided they were going to emphasize the run so much so that in one of the 4 one score games they lost after having a lead he decided to call a draw play on 4th and 9 against the Ravens. It went about as well as you can expect. Play distribution was still pass-heavy but a good bit less than what most Air Coryell offenses run (56-44 for the Browns, typically more like 60-40 like what the Bucs had with a 61-39 ratio in 2020).

Mayfield played behind a porous o-line, had 21 interceptions but was rated to have less bad throws than Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady in that season. He ranked 14th in bad throw percentage. So, in 2019 in his second season he had a really bad offensive line with almost no continuity on the right side of the line, a continually dinged up OBJ who was a shadow of his former self (and salty about being in Cleveland to boot), Jarvis Landry who ran the exact same 40 time as Cade Otton (4.77) and no real other receivers to speak of (after Landry and OBJ the next most catches not going to RBs were the vaunted Demetrius Harris and Damion Ratley. His coach had hired Todd Monken as OC who put in a system, but then Kitchens decided to be the playcaller. And again, he emphasized the running game and passes to the RBs in the flats (more of an Erhardt-Perkins style like the Patriots would run). So the play design would call for the WRs to run deep routes, but the play calls tended to emphasize short routes.

It's no surprise that Kitchens was fired, what's surprising is they didn't do it until after the season ended. Now don't get me wrong, Mayfield did play poorly and had a lot of bad decisions in 2019. It's one of his tendencies when he doesn't trust his o-line. Happens to a lot of QBs, witness what we saw with Brady in 2022. Brady's just far better than just about anyone ever at bailing out on a play he knows is doomed to fail (taking a sack or throwing the ball away). But Mayfield's coaches and the play calling lead to a lot of the issues on offense in 2019. Combine that with the turmoil they had on defense that season with Myles Garrett's suspension from swinging a helmet at the Steeler's QB and it was a recipe for a lost season. Cleveland's defense wasn't into it after Garrett was suspended. In the final six games, they had four games where they gave up over 350 yards. In the first ten, they'd done that three times. In that final six games they ended up 2-4 to finish 6-10. Before Garrett gets suspended, even with a 4-6 record they were in the hunt for a WC spot being two games behind the Texans.

In 2020, they bring in Stefanski, who installs a west coast system. Far better suited to Mayfield's skill set as it emphasizes quick, high percentage passes. Not only that, the new FO brings in some good free agents - perhaps most notably Jack Conklin at RT (who proceeds to be named a 1st team all-pro after that season). They get a pass-catching TE in Austin Cooper, drafted a decent LT in the first round (not great, but better than the three guys who started there in 2019 that were no longer in the NFL within a year) and got stable play out of their RG as well (probably because of Conklin's presence). Over the course of the season, the only spot on the line that has someone who doesn't play in every game is the RG. With the West Coast offense installed, the play calling also shifted to being more balanced. It's about as 50-50 as you can get, 501 pass plays, 495 run plays.

As we all know, we've had three OCs in three years since Mayfield's been here. Big difference is all three of them use a version of the West Coast - so same basic concepts. This season, Grizzard is using essentially the same offense as last season with a few tweaks. So, Mayfield's been in the system best suited to his abilities both of his seasons so far, he's had more support around him without the pressure of being the 'savior' he had on him in Cleveland.

Now I know I said we'd focus on 2019 and 2020... but we'll get some extra work done here with the 2021 Browns season as you'll likely want to point to that in your rebuttal. 2021 sees the Browns return to issues with the o-line. Conklin gets hurt in the 5th game, only plays partially in two games before going on IR. Mayfield tears the labrum in his left shoulder in game 2, makes it worse in week 6 and the team only makes him inactive for the next game. Knee sprain in week 10, misses a game because of a Covid outbreak (also missing the game was Stefanski, Landry and Clowney). Willis, the starting LT injures his ankle in the first game. Plays through it but ends up out for the 5th and 6th games. Injures his knee later in the season, ends up missing two more games (This is the same player who make a 'business decision' to not play against the Ravens last season after a knee injury the week before). Chubb misses two games with a calf injury and plays the season with a knee injury. The only skill position player available for all 17 games is D'Earnest Johnson. WR with the most games started is Landry with 12. On defense, Garrett is the only player to make it 17 games. Only one other starter appears in 16 games.

So, we have a team with diminished line play due to injuries, a QB dealing with a torn labrum after the 2nd game (while on the non-throwing shoulder, it affects the throwing motion and usually means diminished velocity and accuracy), a number of games lost by offensive skill position players to injuries and the same situation on defense. With all of that, going into that week 14 game against the Raiders with so many players out due to Covid and other injuries, they have a winning record and a win will put them in first place for their division. Of course they lose on a last second FG to the Raiders and instead of being in first, they're now in 4th because of how tight the division is. The Browns finish 8-9, with Case Keenum being the starter for two of the wins (at Denver with Mayfield out because of his shoulder, Denver goes 7-10 and fires Fangio at the end of the season and the season finale against a Bengals team that rested everyone - Chase played a total of 5 snaps, no other skill position offensive starter played and zero defensive starters got a snap - they trotted out Vernon Hargreaves III as a starting CB that game).

So, Mayfield's 2021 wasn't as bad as some make it out to be as the Browns were their typical snake-bit selves. He had them in contention for a playoff spot (and a division title!) deep into the season before the rails came off the season due to injuries.
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Grahamburn wrote: Thu Jul 17, 2025 5:10 pm Anybody think he just flat out elevated Cleveland? They had riots in the fucking streets there because he finally won a regular season game for them.

Then he won a playoff game for them. Against Pittsburgh!! After like a 20 year playoff drought.

He may have worn out his welcome there but god damn can you blame him?

Using his record there against who he is now as a QB is just so unbelievably short sighted.
Ridiculous to think he didn't elevate Cleveland.

The most dumpster fire of franchises.

30 YEARS - ONE playoff win.

Baker's.

But sure, Mayfield is trash because the dumpster fire did dumpster fire things and moronically "moved on", and that's a Scarlett letter on him because.... reasons.
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Don't know how popular Jason and Travis Kelce's podcast "New Heights" is around here, but Baker was the second guest yesterday. Baker gives a few behind-the-scenes tidbits from the offseason, TC, last season and a brief overview on his career before eventually arriving in TB. Pretty good watch.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRBWSLTyfsQ
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/651334 ... extension/
“I love Baker. I love everything he’s done for us,” Buccaneers general manager Jason Licht told The Athletic. “The goal for us is for Baker to continue to be the player that he is, and at some point, we reach an extension when the time is right and he continues to be our quarterback for a long time. That’s the goal.”
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5 year 225 million 45m a year with 135m guaranteed
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Phantom wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 12:23 am 5 year 210 million 45m a year with 135m guaranteed

Would 100% be ok with that.
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Lordnlkon wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 9:32 am
Phantom wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 12:23 am 5 year 210 million 45m a year with 135m guaranteed

Would 100% be ok with that.
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Phantom wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 12:23 am 5 year 225 million 45m a year with 135m guaranteed
I don’t see a chance in hell that’s a real contract we offer Baker.

There are two options. 1. He returns to pre-2024 Baker and he’s gone after either this season or next.
2. He maintains his Buccaneers form and becomes one of the highest paid QBs in the league.
There is no way in hell we pay him 45/ year either because we don’t want him here, or that offer would be insulting if he plays well.
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acmillis wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 10:27 am
Phantom wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 12:23 am 5 year 225 million 45m a year with 135m guaranteed
I don’t see a chance in hell that’s a real contract we offer Baker.

There are two options. 1. He returns to pre-2024 Baker and he’s gone after either this season or next.
2. He maintains his Buccaneers form and becomes one of the highest paid QBs in the league.
There is no way in hell we pay him 45/ year either because we don’t want him here, or that offer would be insulting if he plays well.
$135M guaranteed would be top 5 in the NFL and equal Lamar Jackson. I don’t think that’s insulting.

If anything it’s probably too much. I think Baker likes winning and understands it takes good players around him to do so.
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acmillis wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 10:27 am
I don’t see a chance in hell that’s a real contract we offer Baker.

There are two options. 1. He returns to pre-2024 Baker and he’s gone after either this season or next.
2. He maintains his Buccaneers form and becomes one of the highest paid QBs in the league.
There is no way in hell we pay him 45/ year either because we don’t want him here, or that offer would be insulting if he plays well.
I think Mayfield does what he can to stay here after listening to the interview he had with the Kelce brothers on their podcast. Everywhere else he'd been they told him to 'tone it down' and act like a franchise QB. Licht and Bowles just told him to be himself. With him and his wife essentially relocating here permanently after selling their Texas home and buying a home on Davis Island along with a lot adjacent to it seems they may want to put roots down here. That can be worth a bit here and there on a contract, just look at Evans' recent contract and also Godwin leaving money on the table to stay here.

Time will tell, as will the market rate for QBs whenever they sign him.
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Phantom wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 12:23 am 5 year 225 million 45m a year with 135m guaranteed
That's severely below top QB market. Purdy got more.
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Idk, but all these OPs with the “ he likes it here, so he’ll take 25% below market value on an AAV basis sounds INSANE. I’m a known Baker hater, and to hear people say 45/year (if he’s good in 2025) is crazy.

45/year is less than Kyler, Deshaun Watson, Dak, Goff, Love, Lawrence, Herbert, Tua, Hurts, Purdy.

Hell, of non-rookie contract qbs, he’d be earning less than all but Geno, Stafford, Daniel Jones and that’s it.

Time to take off the pewter glasses, folks. That AAV, if we re-sign him, is probably gonna have a first number of 6, or something realllllly close.
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Brock Purdy's contract is the floor for Baker's new contract imo.
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Bootz wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 2:04 pm
Phantom wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 12:23 am 5 year 225 million 45m a year with 135m guaranteed
That's severely below top QB market. Purdy got more.
Purdy is $100M guaranteed. That proposed deal is $135M guaranteed for Baker. Everyone knows it’s only about the guarantees.
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Interesting bit of trivia someone shared on reddit: QB with the highest passer rating in the NFL Playoffs from 2000-2024: Baker Mayfield.

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acmillis wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 2:24 pm Idk, but all these OPs with the “ he likes it here, so he’ll take 25% below market value on an AAV basis sounds INSANE. I’m a known Baker hater, and to hear people say 45/year (if he’s good in 2025) is crazy.

45/year is less than Kyler, Deshaun Watson, Dak, Goff, Love, Lawrence, Herbert, Tua, Hurts, Purdy.

Hell, of non-rookie contract qbs, he’d be earning less than all but Geno, Stafford, Daniel Jones and that’s it.

Time to take off the pewter glasses, folks. That AAV, if we re-sign him, is probably gonna have a first number of 6, or something realllllly close.
I don’t know that anyone has said “below market?”

What’s market? Depends on the year he and the Bucs have.

I think he’ll understand he doesn’t need to Dak it up though. Even with a 2024 statistical repeat.
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Grahamburn wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 2:58 pm
Bootz wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 2:04 pm

That's severely below top QB market. Purdy got more.
Purdy is $100M guaranteed. That proposed deal is $135M guaranteed for Baker. Everyone knows it’s only about the guarantees.
Nope.

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Brock Purdy signed a 5 year, $265,000,000 contract with the San Francisco 49ers, including $40,000,000 signing bonus, $182,550,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $53,000,000. In 2025, Purdy will earn a base salary of $1,100,000 and a signing bonus of $40,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $9,119,253 and a dead cap value of $62,269,253.

$100M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2025 salary + 2026 compensation + $11.904M of 2027 salary)
Additional $15.346M of 2027 salary fully guarantees 4/1/2026
All $55.05M of 2028 compensation fully guarantees 4/1/2027
$7.154M of 2029 salary fully guarantees 4/1/2028
He has 3 years of rolling guarantees. The $100mil is only initial.
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Bootz wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 5:00 pm
Grahamburn wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 2:58 pm

Purdy is $100M guaranteed. That proposed deal is $135M guaranteed for Baker. Everyone knows it’s only about the guarantees.
Nope.

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Brock Purdy signed a 5 year, $265,000,000 contract with the San Francisco 49ers, including $40,000,000 signing bonus, $182,550,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $53,000,000. In 2025, Purdy will earn a base salary of $1,100,000 and a signing bonus of $40,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $9,119,253 and a dead cap value of $62,269,253.

$100M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2025 salary + 2026 compensation + $11.904M of 2027 salary)
Additional $15.346M of 2027 salary fully guarantees 4/1/2026
All $55.05M of 2028 compensation fully guarantees 4/1/2027
$7.154M of 2029 salary fully guarantees 4/1/2028
He has 3 years of rolling guarantees. The $100mil is only initial.
So those are only guaranteed if he gets to them? Not really “guaranteed” then, right?
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Grahamburn wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 5:24 pm
Bootz wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 5:00 pm

Nope.

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He has 3 years of rolling guarantees. The $100mil is only initial.
So those are only guaranteed if he gets to them? Not really “guaranteed” then, right?
These contracts are structured as such that QBs are all but guaranteed to get to them.

I'll be honest, I don't know WHY teams structure them this way. But they basically can't release said QB from the deals prematurely because they'll be hit with the guarantees that are already in place. Like Purdy. If the Niners were to release him or trade him after 2025, they would still have a very heafy dead cap hit because a portion of his 2026 compensation is already guaranteed. If they dont, his 2027 compensation becomes guaranteed before 2026 even starts.
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It’s basically a two year $100M deal. They can ditch his ass if he gets badly hurt or plays like shit. That’s why the real guarantees matter.

Personally I think SF really screwed up paying him anything.
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Grahamburn wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 9:37 pm It’s basically a two year $100M deal. They can ditch his ass if he gets badly hurt or plays like shit. That’s why the real guarantees matter.

Personally I think SF really screwed up paying him anything.
Nope. Wrong again.

What happens in 2026 after the 2025 season ends?
Additional $15.346M of 2027 salary fully guarantees 4/1/2026


Thats in addition to the $11.9mil that is already guaranteed for 2027. So next year that deal adds another year and guaranteed money.

Well, let's see if you decide to cut him after 2026...

His 2027 base salary of $28mil which is now guaranteed is a dead cap him. The remaining 3 years of the prorated $40mil signing bonus($24mil) is also a dead cap hit. AND the $11mil void year hits is also a dead cap hit.

All told the Niners would be looking at $65mil in dead cap hits for the 2027 season if they released him after 2026.
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Bootz wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 12:59 am
Grahamburn wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 9:37 pm It’s basically a two year $100M deal. They can ditch his ass if he gets badly hurt or plays like shit. That’s why the real guarantees matter.

Personally I think SF really screwed up paying him anything.
Nope. Wrong again.

What happens in 2026 after the 2025 season ends?
Additional $15.346M of 2027 salary fully guarantees 4/1/2026


Thats in addition to the $11.9mil that is already guaranteed for 2027. So next year that deal adds another year and guaranteed money.

Well, let's see if you decide to cut him after 2026...

His 2027 base salary of $28mil which is now guaranteed is a dead cap him. The remaining 3 years of the prorated $40mil signing bonus($24mil) is also a dead cap hit. AND the $11mil void year hits is also a dead cap hit.

All told the Niners would be looking at $65mil in dead cap hits for the 2027 season if they released him after 2026.
So, not guaranteed then? They can cut him and not pay him that money, correct? Don't bother. It's rhetorical.

I understand they probably won't because there's a massive penalty to their cap if they do, but that money is not "guaranteed" unless...
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 7:16 am
Bootz wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 12:59 am

Nope. Wrong again.

What happens in 2026 after the 2025 season ends?



Thats in addition to the $11.9mil that is already guaranteed for 2027. So next year that deal adds another year and guaranteed money.

Well, let's see if you decide to cut him after 2026...

His 2027 base salary of $28mil which is now guaranteed is a dead cap him. The remaining 3 years of the prorated $40mil signing bonus($24mil) is also a dead cap hit. AND the $11mil void year hits is also a dead cap hit.

All told the Niners would be looking at $65mil in dead cap hits for the 2027 season if they released him after 2026.
So, not guaranteed then? They can cut him and not pay him that money, correct? Don't bother. It's rhetorical.

I understand they probably won't because there's a massive penalty to their cap if they do, but that money is not "guaranteed" unless...
Just another example of you not understanding how most things NFL work. Or maybe you do and you think a team taking on $65mil+ in dead money for 1 player is the norm.

It's literally right here. Tells you the ramifications if Purdy is cut in any given year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id ... rock-purdy
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Bootz wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 9:06 am
Grahamburn wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 7:16 am

So, not guaranteed then? They can cut him and not pay him that money, correct? Don't bother. It's rhetorical.

I understand they probably won't because there's a massive penalty to their cap if they do, but that money is not "guaranteed" unless...
Just another example of you not understanding how most things NFL work. Or maybe you do and you think a team taking on $65mil+ in dead money for 1 player is the norm.

It's literally right here. Tells you the ramifications if Purdy is cut in any given year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id ... rock-purdy
The king of arguing semantics doesn't want to argue semantics. Interesting.

The Broncos just took a huge dead cap hit on Russell Wilson last year. Things change quick in the NFL. All I'm saying is IF something happened to Purdy or SF decided to move on for whatever reason that money isn't truly guaranteed, because it isn't. If it were then he wouldn't have to hit those years to get it.
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I'd give him a 7 yr deal for $175M all of it in yearly salary, all of it guaranteed.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 9:11 am
Bootz wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 9:06 am

Just another example of you not understanding how most things NFL work. Or maybe you do and you think a team taking on $65mil+ in dead money for 1 player is the norm.

It's literally right here. Tells you the ramifications if Purdy is cut in any given year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id ... rock-purdy
The king of arguing semantics doesn't want to argue semantics. Interesting.

The Broncos just took a huge dead cap hit on Russell Wilson last year. Things change quick in the NFL. All I'm saying is IF something happened to Purdy or SF decided to move on for whatever reason that money isn't truly guaranteed, because it isn't. If it were then he wouldn't have to hit those years to get it.
Excellent example actually.

They took a $53mil dead cap hit last season for him and have a $32mil dead cap hit for this year as well, which is money they owe him. That in addition to the $50mil signing bonus they paid him in 2022. That equals out to $135mil. Additionally had he been on the roster the 5th day of the 2024 offseason, his 2025 base salary of $26mil would have been guaranteed. Add that up, it's $161mil. What were his total guarantees on that contract?
2022-2028
Extension
Contract Terms: 5 yr(s) / $242,588,236
Average Salary: $48,517,647
Signing Bonus: $50,000,000
GTD at Sign: $124,000,000
Total GTD: $161,000,000
Again, this is something else you truly don't understand and that's okay. You only make it worse on yourself when you pretend you know what you're talking about.
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Bootz wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 11:29 am
Grahamburn wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 9:11 am

The king of arguing semantics doesn't want to argue semantics. Interesting.

The Broncos just took a huge dead cap hit on Russell Wilson last year. Things change quick in the NFL. All I'm saying is IF something happened to Purdy or SF decided to move on for whatever reason that money isn't truly guaranteed, because it isn't. If it were then he wouldn't have to hit those years to get it.
Excellent example actually.

They took a $53mil dead cap hit last season for him and have a $32mil dead cap hit for this year as well, which is money they owe him. That in addition to the $50mil signing bonus they paid him in 2022. That equals out to $135mil. Additionally had he been on the roster the 5th day of the 2024 offseason, his 2025 base salary of $26mil would have been guaranteed. Add that up, it's $161mil. What were his total guarantees on that contract?
2022-2028
Extension
Contract Terms: 5 yr(s) / $242,588,236
Average Salary: $48,517,647
Signing Bonus: $50,000,000
GTD at Sign: $124,000,000
Total GTD: $161,000,000
Again, this is something else you truly don't understand and that's okay. You only make it worse on yourself when you pretend you know what you're talking about.
https://overthecap.com/position/quarter ... e_vignette

Fully guaranteed: $100,000,000
Total guaranteed - $182,550,000

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BucsNBills wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 2:26 pm Brock Purdy's contract is the floor for Baker's new contract imo.


Probably. And tbf, in a couple years, after three of four QBs get $60M/yr, that won't look that bad.


But I could see Baker taking a little less because he's not driven by the $$$ at this point in his career. he wants to prove that he's a winner, and he knows that Licht surrounding him with the best team is his best chance to succeed. And he'll likely be amenable to structuring his deal so that it's as team-friendly as possible. Call it somewhere between $45M/yr and $50M/yr.
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Sooner06 wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 2:34 pm
BucsNBills wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 2:26 pm Brock Purdy's contract is the floor for Baker's new contract imo.


Probably. And tbf, in a couple years, after three of four QBs get $60M/yr, that won't look that bad.


But I could see Baker taking a little less because he's not driven by the $$$ at this point in his career. he wants to prove that he's a winner, and he knows that Licht surrounding him with the best team is his best chance to succeed. And he'll likely be amenable to structuring his deal so that it's as team-friendly as possible. Call it somewhere between $45M/yr and $50M/yr.
People keep posting the, "he's not all about the money and he'll take a discount from us because..." Is there any evidence taht any of that is true, or is it the Pewter glasses that are being worn?
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Sooner06 wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 2:34 pm
BucsNBills wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 2:26 pm Brock Purdy's contract is the floor for Baker's new contract imo.


Probably. And tbf, in a couple years, after three of four QBs get $60M/yr, that won't look that bad.


But I could see Baker taking a little less because he's not driven by the $$$ at this point in his career. he wants to prove that he's a winner, and he knows that Licht surrounding him with the best team is his best chance to succeed. And he'll likely be amenable to structuring his deal so that it's as team-friendly as possible. Call it somewhere between $45M/yr and $50M/yr.
I love how we try to pretend THIS organization is the only one in the league with players who are somehow more noble and "true team guys" that aren't driven by money like every other team is as if that's something to brag about.

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Edit: @acmillis Theres this recent, new found agenda people here have to stroke Jason Licht's ego, that he's this GM that only selects great, wholesome team guys who may or may not be great at football, but they aren't ass holes and they take less money because winning matters more. The only guys that the "take less" portion has been true of is Evans.
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