Rapid response _Bucs prevail over the Texans

[Pirate Life]

Remember last season when Bowles let his defense have the final word?

He's not wrong. The pass game right now is a mess. 2 weeks straight, we're struggling to get the ball into our playmakers hands with well designed routes and calls. Our best passes right now are dump offs and check downs. We tried forcing the ball to Evans against Derek Stingley and Stingley won that battle.

Stingley did win the battle, but Morrison doing the same thing as Stingley got flagged and Stingley didn't.

[Bootz]

He's not wrong. The pass game right now is a mess. 2 weeks straight, we're struggling to get the ball into our playmakers hands with well designed routes and calls. Our best passes right now are dump offs and check downs. We tried forcing the ball to Evans against Derek Stingley and Stingley won that battle.

I think this is a byproduct of the OL injuries. Baker isn’t comfortable in that pocket behind the 1Q or so. I haven’t checked the stats on this, but it seems like the opposing defenses start exploiting our pass protection more as the game goes on. This snuffs out our offensive production and downfield passing.

That's part of the problem and Grizz isn't adjusting for it. Downfield passing wasn't a major part of this offense last season and it was clicking on all cylinders. Grizz seems hell bent on getting the ball downfield. I asked last night but PA passing seems to be eliminated from our offense. And it boggled me that we kept trying to go to Evans so much with Stingley smothering him. 5 catches, 56 yards on 11 targets isn't very productive.

[13F11B]

Remember last season when Bowles let his defense have the final word?

He's not wrong. The pass game right now is a mess. 2 weeks straight, we're struggling to get the ball into our playmakers hands with well designed routes and calls. Our best passes right now are dump offs and check downs. We tried forcing the ball to Evans against Derek Stingley and Stingley won that battle.

Despite it being a mess he still took the risk of allowing the offense to go for it on 4th down. Last year the offense was NOT a mess and he would have punted.

[Primeminister]

I think this is a byproduct of the OL injuries. Baker isn’t comfortable in that pocket behind the 1Q or so. I haven’t checked the stats on this, but it seems like the opposing defenses start exploiting our pass protection more as the game goes on. This snuffs out our offensive production and downfield passing.

That's part of the problem and Grizz isn't adjusting for it. Downfield passing wasn't a major part of this offense last season and it was clicking on all cylinders. Grizz seems hell bent on getting the ball downfield. I asked last night but PA passing seems to be eliminated from our offense. And it boggled me that we kept trying to go to Evans so much with Stingley smothering him. 5 catches, 56 yards on 11 targets isn't very productive.

I’ve noticed this and I’m hoping Grizz adjusts going forward. We may forget it now, but Coen adjusted around Week 4 last year as well. I don’t recall the specifics, but there were things he wanted to do that could not be done so he took them out of the playbook after a month or so. I’m hoping for that again.

[Primeminister]

He's not wrong. The pass game right now is a mess. 2 weeks straight, we're struggling to get the ball into our playmakers hands with well designed routes and calls. Our best passes right now are dump offs and check downs. We tried forcing the ball to Evans against Derek Stingley and Stingley won that battle.

Stingley did win the battle, but Morrison doing the same thing as Stingley got flagged and Stingley didn't.

Morrison just has to learn how to be slicker with it

[__Chef__]

Watching that 4th down scramble by Mayfield again and it looks to me like he chose to go at CJGJ once he knew he had the first down. Looked like he might have been heading for the sideline to get out of bounds and then says to himself, "Nah, not today. This is the way."

He did, and he had the first down already. Baker wasn't trying to score or continue the drive at that point...

Tone-Setter

[Bootz]

He's not wrong. The pass game right now is a mess. 2 weeks straight, we're struggling to get the ball into our playmakers hands with well designed routes and calls. Our best passes right now are dump offs and check downs. We tried forcing the ball to Evans against Derek Stingley and Stingley won that battle.

Stingley did win the battle, but Morrison doing the same thing as Stingley got flagged and Stingley didn't.

Morrison was way more obvious. DBs have to play that way. Funny enough, Jamel Dean is a pro at those subtle holds and tugs and doesn't get called for penalties that often.

[Bootz]

[Pirate Life]

[Primeminister]

When you’re preaching you’re preaching

[Primeminister]

Damn that hits me in the football feels. I love that. Those are the moments great seasons can be built upon.

[Pirate Life]

Stingley did win the battle, but Morrison doing the same thing as Stingley got flagged and Stingley didn't.

Morrison was way more obvious. DBs have to play that way. Funny enough, Jamel Dean is a pro at those subtle holds and tugs and doesn't get called for penalties that often.

He really wasn't. More that Morrison is a rookie and Stingley is a vet and considered to be among the best. He can get away with more because of that, just like Evans gets away with pushing off more than a rookie WR does.

[Bootz]

When you’re preaching you’re preaching

By Baker's own admission he had to go through a lot of personal growth and kind of discovery as a man. The Baker we see today is not the same guy that was in Cleveland 4 years ago. He needed to go through the journey he went through to become who he is now for the Bucs.

[Primeminister]

In case you need motivation for this week. Lock TF in

[Bootz]

Morrison was way more obvious. DBs have to play that way. Funny enough, Jamel Dean is a pro at those subtle holds and tugs and doesn't get called for penalties that often.

He really wasn't. More that Morrison is a rookie and Stingley is a vet and considered to be among the best. He can get away with more because of that, just like Evans gets away with pushing off more than a rookie WR does.

Right, because Evans knows the subtlety involved with getting away with those things as vets tend to know. It's not simply because "Oh he's a rookie, call a penalty" vs "Oh when was he drafted? 5 years ago, yea let it go".


There's so much nuance involved in football when it comes to technique and using things to your advantage. You only learn that by playing. Morrison will get better with time hopefully.

[Primeminister]

When you’re preaching you’re preaching

By Baker's own admission he had to go through a lot of personal growth and kind of discovery as a man. The Baker we see today is not the same guy that was in Cleveland 4 years ago. He needed to go through the journey he went through to become who he is now for the Bucs.

Yes he did. I won’t argue that. I believe Baker could have grown into this man we see while still in Cleveland. I don’t think he gets enough credit for not folding under those 3 years post Cleveland. Most QBs in his position don’t mentally make it out of that to become what we see now.

[Primeminister]

He really wasn't. More that Morrison is a rookie and Stingley is a vet and considered to be among the best. He can get away with more because of that, just like Evans gets away with pushing off more than a rookie WR does.

Right, because Evans knows the subtlety involved with getting away with those things as vets tend to know. It's not simply because "Oh he's a rookie, call a penalty" vs "Oh when was he drafted? 5 years ago, yea let it go".


There's so much nuance involved in football when it comes to technique and using things to your advantage. You only learn that by playing. Morrison will get better with time hopefully.

Next game I’d like to see the kid with more than 30% of the snaps. Dean isn’t doing enough to hold on to that job. I think Morison is dead ass a future CB1 for 7+ years

[Grahamburn]

Take a look at the box score and the team stats. We DOMINATED in every way/shape/form...other than the score. TOP...we had the ball 14 minutes more than the did. Rushing yards...crushed them.

Just imagine if this D got a turnover or two, we'd be thinking we're one of the best teams in the league.

Be nice to catch an interception.

That drop by LaVonte and the Special Teams gaffes kept them in the game.

[Bootz]

Right, because Evans knows the subtlety involved with getting away with those things as vets tend to know. It's not simply because "Oh he's a rookie, call a penalty" vs "Oh when was he drafted? 5 years ago, yea let it go".


There's so much nuance involved in football when it comes to technique and using things to your advantage. You only learn that by playing. Morrison will get better with time hopefully.

Next game I’d like to see the kid with more than 30% of the snaps. Dean isn’t doing enough to hold on to that job. I think Morison is dead ass a future CB1 for 7+ years

He got close, which surprised me. Some of the snaps were good, I liked the blitz he had that forced Stroud out of the pocket. Some not so much. But with time he could become that guy.

I'll also point out how much of a sucker Jamel Dean is. This narrative that he took an $8mil+ pay cut to bet on himself this season and hit FA is laughable. His playtime is likely going to decrease because he's not as big of a financial liability and as such he won't have those opportunities to showcase himself. The Bucs wipe their hands clean after the season. This is why to me loyalty in a multi-billion dollar industry is a joke.

[Bootz]

By Baker's own admission he had to go through a lot of personal growth and kind of discovery as a man. The Baker we see today is not the same guy that was in Cleveland 4 years ago. He needed to go through the journey he went through to become who he is now for the Bucs.

Yes he did. I won’t argue that. I believe Baker could have grown into this man we see while still in Cleveland. I don’t think he gets enough credit for not folding under those 3 years post Cleveland. Most QBs in his position don’t mentally make it out of that to become what we see now.

Maybe. That situation though was very bad. You can't have a starting QB that is divisive in the locker room, makes himself difficult to work with and coach, arguing with people, etc. He needed to be humbled and he was I think when Cleveland traded him and Carolina released him.

[Primeminister]

Next game I’d like to see the kid with more than 30% of the snaps. Dean isn’t doing enough to hold on to that job. I think Morison is dead ass a future CB1 for 7+ years

He got close, which surprised me. Some of the snaps were good, I liked the blitz he had that forced Stroud out of the pocket. Some not so much. But with time he could become that guy.

I'll also point out how much of a sucker Jamel Dean is. This narrative that he took an $8mil+ pay cut to bet on himself this season and hit FA is laughable. His playtime is likely going to decrease because he's not as big of a financial liability and as such he won't have those opportunities to showcase himself. The Bucs wipe their hands clean after the season. This is why to me loyalty in a multi-billion dollar industry is a joke.

If Dean didn’t see this coming he is a fool. We drafted two CBs and paid McCollum. Under no circumstances was Dean the answer anymore unless he became something he hasn’t been.

Back to Morrison how long do you think it’ll be before the kid has Dean’s spot in full?

[Bootz]

He got close, which surprised me. Some of the snaps were good, I liked the blitz he had that forced Stroud out of the pocket. Some not so much. But with time he could become that guy.

I'll also point out how much of a sucker Jamel Dean is. This narrative that he took an $8mil+ pay cut to bet on himself this season and hit FA is laughable. His playtime is likely going to decrease because he's not as big of a financial liability and as such he won't have those opportunities to showcase himself. The Bucs wipe their hands clean after the season. This is why to me loyalty in a multi-billion dollar industry is a joke.

If Dean didn’t see this coming he is a fool. We drafted two CBs and paid McCollum. Under no circumstances was Dean the answer anymore unless he became something he hasn’t been.

Back to Morrison how long do you think it’ll be before the kid has Dean’s spot in full?

I'm thinking with the next month honestly, provided Morrison continues to get better. He's still a rookie who's going to take him lumps. But the writing is on the wall. McCollum didn't lose a single snap which tells you this wasnt just about getting playtime for Morrison. This is a transitional move.

[BucsNBills]

With our injury situation and being on the road two weeks in a row, the team had basically every excuse to be down 0-2 right now. Instead they fought and clawed their way to 2-0 using nothing but grit and determination.

When the oline stabilizes I could see us looking dominant come mid season.

[Ken]

I love watching back Otton and Durham destroying their assignments on the White touchdown run.

[Primeminister]

If Dean didn’t see this coming he is a fool. We drafted two CBs and paid McCollum. Under no circumstances was Dean the answer anymore unless he became something he hasn’t been.

Back to Morrison how long do you think it’ll be before the kid has Dean’s spot in full?

I'm thinking with the next month honestly, provided Morrison continues to get better. He's still a rookie who's going to take him lumps. But the writing is on the wall. McCollum didn't lose a single snap which tells you this wasnt just about getting playtime for Morrison. This is a transitional move.

Good point on McCollum. Beyond the new contract the snap count tells you what this is. I think with the kid we should get him snaps early on. He has to take the lumps so let them come earlier rather than later

[Babeinbucland]

Take a look at the box score and the team stats. We DOMINATED in every way/shape/form...other than the score. TOP...we had the ball 14 minutes more than the did. Rushing yards...crushed them.

Just imagine if this D got a turnover or two, we'd be thinking we're one of the best teams in the league.

I dont know about dominated. Passing yards were pretty even (191 vs 182). To your point we had the ball 14 minutes more but only had 94 more yards and 1 point than they did.

Just shows why they say its a game of inches. That tells me we made too many mistakes and have to get better, which is what you want. We have things to focus on and get better at as a team.

The game was even closer than the box score indicates.

The Texans had a lot of costly penalties that helped us tremendously and needs to be taken into account

[Primeminister]

With our injury situation and being on the road two weeks in a row, the team had basically every excuse to be down 0-2 right now. Instead they fought and clawed their way to 2-0 using nothing but grit and determination.

When the oline stabilizes I could see us looking dominant come mid season.

Also think how much better the OL will be after these backups have legitimate success in their starting experience. The overall line will better able to deal with injuries going forward.

[Primeminister]

I dont know about dominated. Passing yards were pretty even (191 vs 182). To your point we had the ball 14 minutes more but only had 94 more yards and 1 point than they did.

Just shows why they say its a game of inches. That tells me we made too many mistakes and have to get better, which is what you want. We have things to focus on and get better at as a team.

The game was even closer than the box score indicates.

The Texans had a lot of costly penalties that helped us tremendously and needs to be taken into account

Yes they did and even got the benefit of a few phantom calls as well

[Rocker]

I dont know about dominated. Passing yards were pretty even (191 vs 182). To your point we had the ball 14 minutes more but only had 94 more yards and 1 point than they did.

Just shows why they say its a game of inches. That tells me we made too many mistakes and have to get better, which is what you want. We have things to focus on and get better at as a team.

The game was even closer than the box score indicates.

The Texans had a lot of costly penalties that helped us tremendously and needs to be taken into account

I think the had six penalties that resulted in first downs for us.

That's atrocious.

[MRM]

Hard to beat being 2-0 when both games were on the road against playoff caliber teams. They do need to get some players back in a hurry.

[Primeminister]

Hard to beat being 2-0 when both games were on the road against playoff caliber teams. They do need to get some players back in a hurry.

That Atlanta defense is looking legit right now.

[Babeinbucland]

I think this is a byproduct of the OL injuries. Baker isn’t comfortable in that pocket behind the 1Q or so. I haven’t checked the stats on this, but it seems like the opposing defenses start exploiting our pass protection more as the game goes on. This snuffs out our offensive production and downfield passing.

That's part of the problem and Grizz isn't adjusting for it. Downfield passing wasn't a major part of this offense last season and it was clicking on all cylinders. Grizz seems hell bent on getting the ball downfield. I asked last night but PA passing seems to be eliminated from our offense. And it boggled me that we kept trying to go to Evans so much with Stingley smothering him. 5 catches, 56 yards on 11 targets isn't very productive.

I wondered if going to Evan’s so much while he was in such heavy coverage, wasn’t a sandbagging move so that we would have who we needed wide open when the time came.

[Babeinbucland]

@Bootz - i’m thinking we need to make how many interceptions we get part of the tiebreaker this week- and speak it into existence

[Bootz]

@Bootz - i’m thinking we need to make how many interceptions we get part of the tiebreaker this week- and speak it into existence

Lmao! I think I'll do that for the game next week. Something has gotta give lol

[Lordnlkon]

@Bootz - i’m thinking we need to make how many interceptions we get part of the tiebreaker this week- and speak it into existence

Zero again most likely. Sadly seems like you could hand the ball off and they’d still drop it.