Welcome Baker Mayfield

[Babeinbucland]

[CannonFire]

I believe @acmillis has turned in his hater card?

Yes he did. The new president of the Baker Haters Club is @CannonFire. He is still hanging on so they’re in good hateful hands.

I don't recall ever saying I hated Baker. I just said that I don't think he's a franchise QB and that we shouldn't be paying a lot of money to a QB who isn't a franchise QB. Yeah, I said I'm ok with replacing him for someone who's cheaper, if he wants $40M+ AAV. I don't think that's "hating" someone.

[CannonFire]

This will cause some angst in certain fans.

https://thesportsrush.com/nfl-news-unde ... 2-0-start/

Why would anyone be surprised by players saying other players should be paid more? I'd be shocked if they didn't say that.

As an example, I'm listening to MLBRadio on SiriusXM and the two hosts are talking about how a salary cap would ruin MLB and the players should be able to make whatever they can get. Two shows later, the two hosts say the same thing. Oddly, the show that sandwiched them, said that MLB needs to do something about the salary structure of the league and that a cap and floor makes sense. Now, this may come as a shock to you but, the first show was 2 former players, the last show was two former GM's. The show in between were two sports writers. Imagine that... players championing the cause for the players and GM's championing the cause for GM's to have any amount of money they can, to go out and sign players. OMG... WHO'D A THUNK IT! Am I right?

[Babeinbucland]

[__Chef__]

I almost feel bad for @Zarni

Then I remember the last DM he sent me and I don't feel bad anymore at all.

Only see 1 elite QB on that list

I get the idea, but there's the best of the best (Mahomes) and then an elite group behind him. I'd say it is fair(er) to elevate those who elevate their play when it maters most. I want a QB who plays better when the game is on the line. In the playoffs, and most importantly, when the SB ring is at hand.

[Bootz]

Only see 1 elite QB on that list

I get the idea, but there's the best of the best (Mahomes) and then an elite group behind him. I'd say it is fair(er) to elevate those who elevate their play when it maters most. I want a QB who plays better when the game is on the line. In the playoffs, and most importantly, when the SB ring is at hand.

Precisely. And that's why there's only 1 elite guy on that list. Couldn't give a damn how pretty the stats are. That word gets thrown around too freely along with generational.

[__Chef__]

I get the idea, but there's the best of the best (Mahomes) and then an elite group behind him. I'd say it is fair(er) to elevate those who elevate their play when it maters most. I want a QB who plays better when the game is on the line. In the playoffs, and most importantly, when the SB ring is at hand.

Precisely. And that's why there's only 1 elite guy on that list. Couldn't give a damn how pretty the stats are. That word gets thrown around too freely along with generational.

The thing about that list ... you've got Mahomes, and everybody behind Mahomes who can't get through Mahomes because they're all in the AFC ... except one.

[Grahamburn]

I get the idea, but there's the best of the best (Mahomes) and then an elite group behind him. I'd say it is fair(er) to elevate those who elevate their play when it maters most. I want a QB who plays better when the game is on the line. In the playoffs, and most importantly, when the SB ring is at hand.

Precisely. And that's why there's only 1 elite guy on that list. Couldn't give a damn how pretty the stats are. That word gets thrown around too freely along with generational.

Not that I want to get into a semantics argument, but the term "elite" could be used to describe every QB good enough to be on an NFL roster. I know that's not how it's typically viewed in these conversations, but from the actual definition of the term if they're that level of good they're all elite in terms of "being a QB."

Generational, I agree.

[Buc2]

I'm a bit uncomfortable with the pedestal the media world is putting Baker on. As the saying goes, "The bigger they are, the harder they fall." I'm all for a little praise, but the new found puppy love needs to stop. I get it from Buc fans. That's our team. That's our QB. But the pundits need to temper their lavishly articulated love. It's scary. I'd rather go back to him to just being our underrated QB.

[Grahamburn]

I'm a bit uncomfortable with the pedestal the media world is putting Baker on. As the saying goes, "The bigger they are, the harder they fall." I'm all for a little praise, but the new found puppy love needs to stop. I get it from Buc fans. That's our team. That's our QB. But the pundits need to temper their lavishly articulated love. It's scary. I'd rather go back to him to just being our underrated QB.

We've done this dance a few years in a row. It's deja vu all over again.

[__Chef__]

I'm a bit uncomfortable with the pedestal the media world is putting Baker on. As the saying goes, "The bigger they are, the harder they fall." I'm all for a little praise, but the new found puppy love needs to stop. I get it from Buc fans. That's our team. That's our QB. But the pundits need to temper their lavishly articulated love. It's scary. I'd rather go back to him to just being our underrated QB.

Maybe it will help light a fire at OBP to maybe do a little more to push this team over the top.
When everyone recognized we had an elite Defense years back, steps were taken to ensure we make the most of it.

We shall see.

[Bootz]

Precisely. And that's why there's only 1 elite guy on that list. Couldn't give a damn how pretty the stats are. That word gets thrown around too freely along with generational.

Not that I want to get into a semantics argument, but the term "elite" could be used to describe every QB good enough to be on an NFL roster. I know that's not how it's typically viewed in these conversations, but from the actual definition of the term if they're that level of good they're all elite in terms of "being a QB."

Generational, I agree.

Absolutely. Remember a time where we had a true collection of elite QBs? Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers. They all got it done in the regular season and post season. Some more than others obviously. But the bar always remained.

That bar has been lowered now because IMO the media is anxious for someone to supplant Mahomes. Now you're elite if you just put up pretty numbers, or have great regular season records, OR win MVP awards. Use to be a combination of all of those things and winning championships. Now if you accomplish just 1 of those things you're elite.

[__Chef__]

Not that I want to get into a semantics argument, but the term "elite" could be used to describe every QB good enough to be on an NFL roster. I know that's not how it's typically viewed in these conversations, but from the actual definition of the term if they're that level of good they're all elite in terms of "being a QB."

Generational, I agree.

Absolutely. Remember a time where we had a true collection of elite QBs? Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers. They all got it done in the regular season and post season. Some more than others obviously. But the bar always remained.

That bar has been lowered now because IMO the media is anxious for someone to supplant Mahomes. Now you're elite if you just put up pretty numbers, or have great regular season records, OR win MVP awards. Use to be a combination of all of those things and winning championships. Now if you accomplish just 1 of those things you're elite.

Varying levels, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to see anyone at the time who didn't put Marino in the Elite category of QBs, even though he never won a ring.

[Bootz]

Absolutely. Remember a time where we had a true collection of elite QBs? Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers. They all got it done in the regular season and post season. Some more than others obviously. But the bar always remained.

That bar has been lowered now because IMO the media is anxious for someone to supplant Mahomes. Now you're elite if you just put up pretty numbers, or have great regular season records, OR win MVP awards. Use to be a combination of all of those things and winning championships. Now if you accomplish just 1 of those things you're elite.

Varying levels, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to see anyone at the time who didn't put Marino in the Elite category of QBs, even though he never won a ring.

He at least got there, looked the part, elevated those around him, got the MVP and pretty numbers. Only QB for like 20 years to throw for 5k yards in a time where 3000 was the benchmark.

Look at how fast guys like Justin Herbert and Lamar Jackson were crowned. It's ridiculous. Josh Allen got crown because he lost a close game to Mahomes in the playoffs. Burrow got crownded because he beat Mahomes in the playoffs and did didlysquat on the Superbowl. I dont know why Baker is there.

[Backside]

I don’t think it’s any more complicated than people have eyes and can see that Lamar and Allen are really fucking good at playing quarterback.