Rapid response Buc’s lose to the Lions week 7

[__Chef__]

And the OL (for not blocking).

And the D (for not playing as well as the 4th stringers in the building that day).

And the coaching staff (for not preparing for this game).

And the turf (for injuring players at a significantly higher rate than grass, and should be banned)

you aint wrong but baker was pissing me the hell off all game

I saw the same thing, and I think I just realized what it was ... Baker did not trust his guys to be where they were supposed to be. Maybe guys weren't running the right routes, maybe they were getting rerouted, jammed up, etc. He seemed to wait until it was clear they were where they were suppose to be and then throw. But then he'd throw late deep into double coverage ...

As @Snake said, burn the tape, and practice this week like you just got a reminder for where the bar is set for a playoff caliber team.

[Backside]

I’ve never seen tackles switch sides in the middle of the game, that’s some next level desperation. For whatever reason the Lions DLine and Hutchinson in particular are just a terrible matchup for us. We play them every year recently and have not figured out how to handle it at all, not ideal.

You don’t go into the game expecting Baker to be so off all night, but that’s really no excuse for how uninspiring the gameplan was.

[Pirate Life]

Perfect example of the futility on offense last night:



Need to get Heck out of there.

[Bootz]

Perfect example of the futility on offense last night:



Need to get Heck out of there.

Could you be more predictable??! That is just bad man. Absolutely terrible.

Heck aint going anywhere. That would take a coaching staff that holds players accountable.

[BucsNBills]

Baker has been bailing out our awful oline play all year long. Just couldn't be Superman last night and this is the result.

[Bootz]

Baker has been bailing out our awful oline play all year long. Just couldn't be Superman last night and this is the result.

It always catches up to you. Having your QB be superman while the other aspects of the team are subpar isn't a consistent winning formula.

[GreatTimes]

The Bucs went on the road to a hostile environment to play against a good team that needed the win more than the Bucs. The lions could not afford to fall 2 games behind the Packers.
The Bucs were missing key offensive players and lost another when Evans went down.
Baker had a bad night.
The calls and some bounce of the ball went the Lions way.
The Bucs are still have a 1 game lead in the NFCS.
The sky is not falling, the Bucs are still in great shape to win the NFCS.

[__Chef__]

The Bucs went on the road to a hostile environment to play against a good team that needed the win more than the Bucs. The lions could not afford to fall 2 games behind the Packers.
The Bucs were missing key offensive players and lost another when Evans went down.
Baker had a bad night.
The calls and some bounce of the ball went the Lions way.
The Bucs are still have a 1 game lead in the NFCS.
The sky is not falling, the Bucs are still in great shape to win the NFCS.

Bottom line that we're hoping for is this kicks all the BS distraction out of the way, and this is a wakeup call to the whole team and coaching staff to do better.

Jason Licht too. Start working the phones of some teams that are blowing up their roster and see what we can add to the team to salvage this year. A serviceable replacement for Heck, edge rusher, LB, TE. Somebody remove Jason's office chair so he gets the point.

[CannonFire]

That was quite possibly the worst offensive display from this team since the Raheem Morris / Josh Freeman era. New Orleans next week. Let's go win that game.

[Backside]

That was quite possibly the worst offensive display from this team since the Raheem Morris / Josh Freeman era. New Orleans next week. Let's go win that game.

You forget some of those regular season Saints games during the Brady era.

[CannonFire]

That was quite possibly the worst offensive display from this team since the Raheem Morris / Josh Freeman era. New Orleans next week. Let's go win that game.

You forget some of those regular season Saints games during the Brady era.

Every team/era does that vs the Saints.

[Nobody]

In no particular order:

* Absolutely out-coached their defense to our offense. It is incredible that Detroit's defensive coaches (across the board but especially DB coach) got their MASH unit (both 2nd and 3rd stringers as well as guys who were playing their first game back from injury) to play this cohesively and with that kind of persistent mental alacrity. Guys were making plays with their heads all day long...across position groups. Guys were incredibly physical and flying to the ball on that Detroit defense. What an incredible show by those coaches and those players on that side of the ball for Detroit.

* Gutted by Mike's injury. Just gutted.

* I've said it before and I'm going to keep saying it (and this is across the NFL, not just us...that Detroit team was crushed by injuries as well). The NFL has a real, serious injury problem. Again. They don’t practice enough. This sport is unnatural. You can’t be prepared for unnatural movement and collision if you don’t rep it (and again...and again...and again).

* I've also said this before. DB was my position so I'm as sensitive to Illegal Contact, Defensive Holding, DPI/OPI calls as you can get. The league has to get recalibrated on these calls, ESPECIALLY when it comes to adjudicating Illegal Contact with teams who play an abundance of Man (so refs perception and cognitive priors when watching the defenders gets corrupted by seeing so much contact) vs those that play an abundance of Zone and/or Off Coverage but within 5 yards. It is a train-wreck of bad officiating that has to be putting Off Zone defenders into a complete mental clusterfuck. They're calling Illegal Contact on absolutely nothingburger plays vs Off Zone defenders while letting aggressive Man defenders get away with much worse and much more prolifically. This is across the league this is happening. I don't know if they stressed it the last few offseasons, but Illegal Contact is an absolute mess right now and it is harming gamestates and harming the mental framework (and morale...even if they don't admit it) of back 7 players in primarily Off Zone schemes.

* The calamity of the right side of this OL was inevitably going to lead to an absolute ass-whooping at some point. You can't have that kind of D tier play on one side of the OL (or on the interior) and sustain offense against great defensive efforts (and dominant personnel on the other side of the LoS). You can't devote that many assets to protect the right side of the OL and not have it pay dividends for the other team. Last night we finally saw it. They played a ton of 1 Man Free it looked like and, because we constantly have to keep 1 or 2 guys in/chipping to help protect, that means you're seeing a pair of doubles and a smothered 3rd/4th player. That was happening a lot last night, particularly in key situations.

* Baker got sped up like crazy by the pressure early. As good as they were on defense last night (personnel and coaches), there were a TON of chances to make plays. He missed so many throws generally and key throws especially. That was the antithesis of the first 6 games of the year. Instead of making all the big plays and most of the easy ones, he made virtually none this game. And he was clearly shaken up from early pressure from the right side and the interior and reluctant to run (likely because he sustained some lower body/rib tweaks in there as well as them playing so much 1 Man Free and having an available chase defender for him...also...they were just dominant in maintaining pass rush lanes).

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Just a_brutal_loss.

It will be telling how we respond this week vs a hated division rivial. I can see this either cascading into a next week loss or I can see us absolutely whipping their ass. No idea which it will be at this point as last night was such a thorough ass-kicking that the performances of the first six weeks feel pretty_pretty far away right now.

[13F11B]

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[Central_Buc]

Finally got back from Ford Field and the downtown area after the game. My thoughts:

- I missed the Midwest. People are really nice here, top to bottom. I am used to...let's say mild animosity if I wear an opposing jersey, some drunk idiots doing drunk idiot things, homeless folks engaging in shenanigans. But nope, the Michigan and Detroit folks were nothing but lovely, even though I had to explain Selmon to too many people (it may be too deep a cut, perhaps). Multiple Bucs fans however got the jersey, and that was nice.
- I forgot how unrepentantly dorky the Lions fight song "Gridiron Heroes" is, and it's sung after every score.
- The Lions are a really good team, and we let them off the hook in a ton of different ways:
- We let Amon-Ra run the majority of his catches versus air. You cannot give elite receivers uncontested released and uncontested routes to go along with uncontested catch points. You will lose to them.
- Dennis was abused in space right off the bat and was consistently picked on by the Lions on money downs, especially on plays designed to out leverage him. He is such an Achilles heel on this defense that it is a weekly liability.
- Our defense allowing the first drive touchdown right off the initial kickoff is a meme. I called it to the guys I was with and they thought I was Nostradamus.
- Only two players went to check on Mike Evans when he was on the ground injured; LVD and Tristan Wirfs. He was otherwise ignored. What the fuck, lads?
- The offense cannot go shotgun fury with our receiving room decimated and win the game. That too much pressure on Baker, too much pressure on guys who were backups for a reason, and WAY too much pressure on the OL.
- The defense played well 80-ish percent of the time, outside of the long TD run, St Brown clowning us on the reg, and Dennis clowning himself.

This team is battered. We need to take Baker off the high dive and strike some semblance of offensive balance. Detroit is a good squad and played a complete game at home.

As I told many people tonight, no matter who wins this game, the loser is likely to see the winner in the playoffs. That hasn't changed.

Have a lovely day.

Enjoyed this write up Cheb..

I just wanted to ask what you thought about the team not going to Evans aid. Or is it too much to read into

Its hard to imagine why because he seems like a really likeable teammate, it would surprise me otherwise if he wasn't liked in the room.

[__Chef__]

I just wanted to ask what you thought about the team not going to Evans aid...

No idea what the actual story is, but judging from the team's reaction last year to Mike getting his 1k, I don't think it was a slight against Evans. It didn't look like a severe injury at the time. Maybe they thought the same and were concentrated on the next play.

[13F11B]

[Bootz]

You're so mentally weak and futile.

[Grahamburn]

That's where I am with it. He was like 50-60 yards down the field from where the line of scrimmage was? He gets up slow and then walks off the field after a deep route or a hit to the turf all the time. He'd already done it twice just in this game. I don't think they guys were like, "eff Mike."

[Bootz]

That's where I am with it. He was like 50-60 yards down the field from where the line of scrimmage was? He gets up slow and then walks off the field after a deep route or a hit to the turf all the time. He'd already done it twice just in this game. I don't think they guys were like, "eff Mike."

Let's clear some things up. 1st, initially after the injury, Otton, Wirfs, White & Egbuka were down near Evans before walking back to the huddle. So no one was saying eff Mike.

3rd & 5 on our own 40 yard line. Evans is laying on the Lions 12 yard line. If our offense is anywhere other than in the huddle getting ready for the next play or talking with position coaches or getting water, they'd be doing themselves a disservice. Baker was using that time speaking with Grizz, as he should have been.

It sucks the injury happened. But everything isn't a story, folks. Players get hurt weekly and the only real instances where we see a huddle around them is when they are carted off the field. They aren't doctors or medical personnel. They won't be able to heal him. And they still had a game to play.

This fan base is insufferable after a loss. Everything becomes a problem.

[acmillis]

That's where I am with it. He was like 50-60 yards down the field from where the line of scrimmage was? He gets up slow and then walks off the field after a deep route or a hit to the turf all the time. He'd already done it twice just in this game. I don't think they guys were like, "eff Mike."

Let's clear some things up. 1st, initially after the injury, Otton, Wirfs, White & Egbuka were down near Evans before walking back to the huddle. So no one was saying eff Mike.

3rd & 5 on our own 40 yard line. Evans is laying on the Lions 12 yard line. If our offense is anywhere other than in the huddle getting ready for the next play or talking with position coaches or getting water, they'd be doing themselves a disservice. Baker was using that time speaking with Grizz, as he should have been.

It sucks the injury happened. But everything isn't a story, folks. Players get hurt weekly and the only real instances where we see a huddle around them is when they are carted off the field. They aren't doctors or medical personnel. They won't be able to heal him. And they still had a game to play.

This fan base is insufferable after a loss. Everything becomes a problem.

You lookin in the mirror, Chief?

[Bootz]

Let's clear some things up. 1st, initially after the injury, Otton, Wirfs, White & Egbuka were down near Evans before walking back to the huddle. So no one was saying eff Mike.

3rd & 5 on our own 40 yard line. Evans is laying on the Lions 12 yard line. If our offense is anywhere other than in the huddle getting ready for the next play or talking with position coaches or getting water, they'd be doing themselves a disservice. Baker was using that time speaking with Grizz, as he should have been.

It sucks the injury happened. But everything isn't a story, folks. Players get hurt weekly and the only real instances where we see a huddle around them is when they are carted off the field. They aren't doctors or medical personnel. They won't be able to heal him. And they still had a game to play.

This fan base is insufferable after a loss. Everything becomes a problem.

You lookin in the mirror, Chief?

Case in point.

[Bootz]

Let's clear some things up. 1st, initially after the injury, Otton, Wirfs, White & Egbuka were down near Evans before walking back to the huddle. So no one was saying eff Mike.

3rd & 5 on our own 40 yard line. Evans is laying on the Lions 12 yard line. If our offense is anywhere other than in the huddle getting ready for the next play or talking with position coaches or getting water, they'd be doing themselves a disservice. Baker was using that time speaking with Grizz, as he should have been.

It sucks the injury happened. But everything isn't a story, folks. Players get hurt weekly and the only real instances where we see a huddle around them is when they are carted off the field. They aren't doctors or medical personnel. They won't be able to heal him. And they still had a game to play.

This fan base is insufferable after a loss. Everything becomes a problem.

You lookin in the mirror, Chief?

Case in point.

[Bootz]

Let's clear some things up. 1st, initially after the injury, Otton, Wirfs, White & Egbuka were down near Evans before walking back to the huddle. So no one was saying eff Mike.

3rd & 5 on our own 40 yard line. Evans is laying on the Lions 12 yard line. If our offense is anywhere other than in the huddle getting ready for the next play or talking with position coaches or getting water, they'd be doing themselves a disservice. Baker was using that time speaking with Grizz, as he should have been.

It sucks the injury happened. But everything isn't a story, folks. Players get hurt weekly and the only real instances where we see a huddle around them is when they are carted off the field. They aren't doctors or medical personnel. They won't be able to heal him. And they still had a game to play.

This fan base is insufferable after a loss. Everything becomes a problem.

You lookin in the mirror, Chief?

Case in point.

[Central_Buc]

Definitely case in point.

[13F11B]

You're so mentally weak and futile.

[13F11B]

You lookin in the mirror, Chief?

Case in point.

[Bootz]

[Grahamburn]

Looked that way.

[Bootz]

And not a single change will be made.

[Buc2]

You're so mentally weak and futile.

Wtf is wrong with you today? It's called humor. Get some.

[Bootz]

You're so mentally weak and futile.

Wtf is wrong with you today? It's called humor. Get some.

You clearly missed game day thread.

[GreatTimes]

That was quite possibly the worst offensive display from this team since the Raheem Morris / Josh Freeman era. New Orleans next week. Let's go win that game.

That was quite possibly one of the best defensive displays of the year by the lions who were without their starting CB's and safety's.

[Buc2]

Wtf is wrong with you today? It's called humor. Get some.

You clearly missed game day thread.

So, you’re holding a grudge into Tuesday?

[IronDog]

I guess the boys just aren't ready for prime time afterall.

[Selmon Rules]

Missed most of the game and I'm sick about Evans injury.

We just got taken to the woodshed in all areas of the game, no other way to put it