Todd Bowles is a fucking fraud

[uscbucsfan]

There are plenty opinion pieces reported. That, if it's the same one I saw on Reddit, was from the TK Mailbag. It claimed no insider knowledge.

As I recall, you said that most of the reports about Brady from NE were BS in the Wickersham report. Only true if it's an exciting narrative?

There's a reason no one else is running with "Brady was upset with the coaches", because it doesn't have any substance. It may be true, but it's not verified.

If you have anything substantial from a reporter, please post it. It sounds like the Athletic's firewall is preventing all other insiders and reporters from getting this "scoop".

Funny, I re-read the latest TK insider and didn't see anything about that. Was that in a previous one?

If it's the one I read, it was basically fan questions.

[Tnbandwagoner]

Maybe work on reading comprehension. I specifically stated that an article on the Athletic - it's a national sports publication website, perhaps you have heard of it? - was claiming Brady was not happy with the staff here. It doesn't get more disingenuous than to imply that that notion came from nowhere other than on this message board when in fact it came from a national sports reporter who probably has a lot better sources than you do.

I have theAthletic, can you send me the link as I didn't see that or maybe I missed it.

https://theathletic.com/3128133/2022/02 ... -pick-six/

Turns out I was wrong about them implying that "possibly" he might have grown frustrated with the coaching of this staff - the article flat-out states that the author's sources told him Brady was frustrated with the Buc's coaching.

[Tnbandwagoner]

Maybe work on reading comprehension. I specifically stated that an article on the Athletic - it's a national sports publication website, perhaps you have heard of it? - was claiming Brady was not happy with the staff here. It doesn't get more disingenuous than to imply that that notion came from nowhere other than on this message board when in fact it came from a national sports reporter who probably has a lot better sources than you do.

There are plenty opinion pieces reported. That, if it's the same one I saw on Reddit, was from the TK Mailbag. It claimed no insider knowledge.

As I recall, you said that most of the reports about Brady from NE were BS in the Wickersham report. Only true if it's an exciting narrative?

There's a reason no one else is running with "Brady was upset with the coaches", because it doesn't have any substance. It may be true, but it's not verified.

If you have anything substantial from a reporter, please post it. It sounds like the Athletic's firewall is preventing all other insiders and reporters from getting this "scoop".

No, it's not from the TK Mailbag, whatever that is. It's an article by Mike Sando about quarterbacks that could potentially win a Super Bowl with their new team next year - and he has a whole section in the article about Brady because he feels that confident that Brady will play next year, not here. And once you read it, if you can scrounge up the big money that it costs to subscribe to the Athletic, you will see that the author does indeed very specifically cite insider information: "A month ago, when word was circulating through league channels that Brady was considering retirement, some close to the situation indicated the quarterback had grown frustrated with some of the Buccaneers’ coaching."

So you can pretend to know more about Brady's inner circle than a high-profile NFL reporter for the only real sports website going now, but odds are pretty good that no one other than yourself is going to buy that schtick.

https://theathletic.com/3128133/2022/02 ... -pick-six/

[Doctor]

I have theAthletic, can you send me the link as I didn't see that or maybe I missed it.

https://theathletic.com/3128133/2022/02 ... -pick-six/

Turns out I was wrong about them implying that "possibly" he might have grown frustrated with the coaching of this staff - the article flat-out states that the author's sources told him Brady was frustrated with the Buc's coaching.

The source indicated... and then just pure speculation.

I think Brady wanted to go to SF. I think Jimmy is the guy he meant when he said "You want to go with that guy??". It's his childhood team, it's SB ready. But it didn't happen when he was a FA, I doubt it will happen now that he'd need to be traded for and after they did what they did to get Lance.

And honestly, if say he wanted to go sign a one day contract with SF to retire a 9er for nostalgia reasons, I have no doubt OBP would oblige. These adults have a fantastic relationship. I don't know why y'all need the drama.

[MJW]

https://theathletic.com/3128133/2022/02 ... -pick-six/

Turns out I was wrong about them implying that "possibly" he might have grown frustrated with the coaching of this staff - the article flat-out states that the author's sources told him Brady was frustrated with the Buc's coaching.

The source indicated... and then just pure speculation.

I think Brady wanted to go to SF. I think Jimmy is the guy he meant when he said "You want to go with that guy??". It's his childhood team, it's SB ready. But it didn't happen when he was a FA, I doubt it will happen now that he'd need to be traded for and after they did what they did to get Lance.

And honestly, if say he wanted to go sign a one day contract with SF to retire a 9er for nostalgia reasons, I have no doubt OBP would oblige. These adults have a fantastic relationship. I don't know why y'all need the drama.

I doubt Tampa was Brady's first choice in 2020, but who cares? Drew Brees wanted to go to Miami. What happened is what happened. It doesn't mean much now.

If all this is some elaborate move for him to go to SF, I wish OBP would just let him. Get some moderate draft compensation. Leave on good terms. Wish him the best when the Niners aren't playing us. Like you said, adults.

[Tnbandwagoner]

https://theathletic.com/3128133/2022/02 ... -pick-six/

Turns out I was wrong about them implying that "possibly" he might have grown frustrated with the coaching of this staff - the article flat-out states that the author's sources told him Brady was frustrated with the Buc's coaching.

The source indicated... and then just pure speculation.

I think Brady wanted to go to SF. I think Jimmy is the guy he meant when he said "You want to go with that guy??". It's his childhood team, it's SB ready. But it didn't happen when he was a FA, I doubt it will happen now that he'd need to be traded for and after they did what they did to get Lance.

And honestly, if say he wanted to go sign a one day contract with SF to retire a 9er for nostalgia reasons, I have no doubt OBP would oblige. These adults have a fantastic relationship. I don't know why y'all need the drama.

I wonder if you have any remote concept of how foolish you sound when you write things like the nonsense above?

If one of us on here postulates that Brady may have grown frustrated with the coaching, that's speculation.

When a very prominent sportswriter who has reported on the NFL for many years and has a vote for the Pro Football HOF writes that his sources told him Brady had grown frustrated with the coaching, that's not speculation. Either you're dense or you have a poor grasp of the definition of the English word, "speculation."

You can say that Sando is lying, at which point you're questioning his integrity; you can say that he has bad sources; but to say it's speculation is either willful obfuscation of what was actually written by Sando or just a middle-school level of ignorance of a pretty basic vocabulary word that the average educated American knew the definition of by the age of thirteen.

Speculation means it's a guess, with no substantiation. Stating that your sources told you something very specific that was said by Brady is not speculation: it's reporting an actual thing that was said by a specific person, according to Sando, that person being Brady and the thing said being that he had grown frustrated with the Bucs' coaching.

I suppose you think you have more credibility than Mike Sando on the subject of what Tom Brady has or hasn't said? Or maybe you think just typing nonsense on this message board automatically lends validity to what you say?

Here's a hint: it doesn't.

[nybf]

And honestly, if say he wanted to go sign a one day contract with SF to retire a 9er for nostalgia reasons

I thought your takes earlier in the thread were stupid, but holy shit. What the hell kind of sense does this make? Sign for one day and retire with a team you never actually played for because of nostalgia?

Does OBP not drug test?

[Doctor]

The source indicated... and then just pure speculation.

I think Brady wanted to go to SF. I think Jimmy is the guy he meant when he said "You want to go with that guy??". It's his childhood team, it's SB ready. But it didn't happen when he was a FA, I doubt it will happen now that he'd need to be traded for and after they did what they did to get Lance.

And honestly, if say he wanted to go sign a one day contract with SF to retire a 9er for nostalgia reasons, I have no doubt OBP would oblige. These adults have a fantastic relationship. I don't know why y'all need the drama.

I wonder if you have any remote concept of how foolish you sound when you write things like the nonsense above?

If one of us on here postulates that Brady may have grown frustrated with the coaching, that's speculation.

When a very prominent sportswriter who has reported on the NFL for many years and has a vote for the Pro Football HOF writes that his sources told him Brady had grown frustrated with the coaching, that's not speculation. Either you're dense or you have a poor grasp of the definition of the English word, "speculation."

You can say that Sando is lying, at which point you're questioning his integrity; you can say that he has bad sources; but to say it's speculation is either willful obfuscation of what was actually written by Sando or just a middle-school level of ignorance of a pretty basic vocabulary word that the average educated American knew the definition of by the age of thirteen.

Speculation means it's a guess, with no substantiation. Stating that your sources told you something very specific that was said by Brady is not speculation: it's reporting an actual thing that was said by a specific person, according to Sando, that person being Brady and the thing said being that he had grown frustrated with the Bucs' coaching.

I suppose you think you have more credibility than Mike Sando on the subject of what Tom Brady has or hasn't said? Or maybe you think just typing nonsense on this message board automatically lends validity to what you say?

Here's a hint: it doesn't.

Sports Reporting 101

Some "source" week 8: "Yeah man, Brady didn't like some of the calls in the 4th. Felt they should've passed more."
Sando: " source indicates Brady is frustrated with the coaching staff"

Everything else after that sentence is pure speculation about his childhood team and all that.

[Doctor]

And honestly, if say he wanted to go sign a one day contract with SF to retire a 9er for nostalgia reasons

I thought your takes earlier in the thread were stupid, but holy shit. What the hell kind of sense does this make? Sign for one day and retire with a team you never actually played for because of nostalgia?

Does OBP not drug test?

Ugh, way to miss the forest for the trees. The point wasn't how much sense it made or if it was likely or anything like that, the point was simply to illustrate that the two parties are on such good terms that even a far fetched request would probably be granted.

[nybf]

I thought your takes earlier in the thread were stupid, but holy shit. What the hell kind of sense does this make? Sign for one day and retire with a team you never actually played for because of nostalgia?

Does OBP not drug test?

Ugh, way to miss the forest for the trees. The point wasn't how much sense it made or if it was likely or anything like that, the point was simply to illustrate that the two parties are on such good terms that even a far fetched request would probably be granted.

Nah, you don't get to say something that absoutley fucking dumb and then say I'm missing the point. If you have a point to make, maybe use examples that aren't stupid by any and every measure.

[Doctor]

Don't get defensive because you never finish reading anything before reacting.

[Tnbandwagoner]

I wonder if you have any remote concept of how foolish you sound when you write things like the nonsense above?

If one of us on here postulates that Brady may have grown frustrated with the coaching, that's speculation.

When a very prominent sportswriter who has reported on the NFL for many years and has a vote for the Pro Football HOF writes that his sources told him Brady had grown frustrated with the coaching, that's not speculation. Either you're dense or you have a poor grasp of the definition of the English word, "speculation."

You can say that Sando is lying, at which point you're questioning his integrity; you can say that he has bad sources; but to say it's speculation is either willful obfuscation of what was actually written by Sando or just a middle-school level of ignorance of a pretty basic vocabulary word that the average educated American knew the definition of by the age of thirteen.

Speculation means it's a guess, with no substantiation. Stating that your sources told you something very specific that was said by Brady is not speculation: it's reporting an actual thing that was said by a specific person, according to Sando, that person being Brady and the thing said being that he had grown frustrated with the Bucs' coaching.

I suppose you think you have more credibility than Mike Sando on the subject of what Tom Brady has or hasn't said? Or maybe you think just typing nonsense on this message board automatically lends validity to what you say?

Here's a hint: it doesn't.

Sports Reporting 101

Some "source" week 8: "Yeah man, Brady didn't like some of the calls in the 4th. Felt they should've passed more."
Sando: " source indicates Brady is frustrated with the coaching staff"

Everything else after that sentence is pure speculation about his childhood team and all that.

So you’re accusing Sando of lying. Who do you think has more credibilty, you or him?

[nybf]

Don't get defensive because you never finish reading anything before reacting.

Why would I finish reading? To see if you can come up with something stupider than signing with a franchise you never played for one day to retire due to nostalgia? Is it possible for you to come up with something dumber?

[Tnbandwagoner]

Don't get defensive because you never finish reading anything before reacting.

Why would I finish reading? To see if you can come up with something stupider than signing with a franchise you never played for one day to retire due to nostalgia? Is it possible for you to come up with something dumber?

He already did. He claimed it was speculation that Brady had grown up wanting to play for the 49ers. Brady has said as much. And he grew up twenty minutes from their stadium so it doesn't take a NASA employee to deduce that yeah, he might have grown up a 9ers fan.

[Tnbandwagoner]

So now Bill Simmons is predicting Brady doesn't stay retired. Incidentally, he's also predicting Brady plays somewhere else, and the 49ers are one of two teams he mentions as possibilities, with the 9ers being the most probable in his estimation:

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/bi ... -tom-brady

[Snake]

*doctor gets uncomfortable as he realizes his imagined romance was typical PR garbage*

Simmons nailed it. Which is, Brady can compete at an NFL MVP level. Brady is not gonna play on a team he doesn’t feel can win the Super Bowl. Especially when coaching will hold the team back. Next season’s Bucs will be the worst team he’s played on in Tampa. Insofar as talent. The coaching isn’t good enough to overcome that. So why not go to the West Coast where he’s from, play for better coaches, on a team that is likely to be more talented.

Apparently 49ers players are telling people like Joe Montana that Trey Lance is not ready. They need a stopgap. Enter 45 year old Tom Brady

[Doctor]

Don't get defensive because you never finish reading anything before reacting.

Why would I finish reading? To see if you can come up with something stupider than signing with a franchise you never played for one day to retire due to nostalgia? Is it possible for you to come up with something dumber?

So that you don't look like an idiot who missed the actual point?

[Doctor]

Sports Reporting 101

Some "source" week 8: "Yeah man, Brady didn't like some of the calls in the 4th. Felt they should've passed more."
Sando: " source indicates Brady is frustrated with the coaching staff"

Everything else after that sentence is pure speculation about his childhood team and all that.

So you’re accusing Sando of lying. Who do you think has more credibilty, you or him?

Not at all. I'm sure it's true that a source "indicated frustrations"... an intentionally vague phrase. Everything else is wild postulation for clicks.

But hey, believe what you want.

[Tnbandwagoner]

So you’re accusing Sando of lying. Who do you think has more credibilty, you or him?

Not at all. I'm sure it's true that a source "indicated frustrations"... an intentionally vague phrase. Everything else is wild postulation for clicks.

But hey, believe what you want.

As usual you have no qualms about distorting the truth. Sando didn’t write that Brady had vague, undefined frustrations; he stated specifically and unequivocally that Brady had grown frustrated with the Bucs’ coaching. So you either acknowledge that a high-profile, highly respected sportswriter has reported that Brady was unhappy with the Bucs coaching this year or you put your opinion, which is based on zero connection to or knowledge of Brady’s inner circle, above Sando’s reporting, which is based on people who are connected to said inner circle.

[Tnbandwagoner]

So now Mike Florio has gone on record predicting Brady will play for the 49ers next year - silly Mike, he should have checked with Doctor:

https://www.audacy.com/sports/nfl/mike- ... -for-49ers

[MJW]

So now Mike Florio has gone on record predicting Brady will play for the 49ers next year - silly Mike, he should have checked with Doctor:

https://www.audacy.com/sports/nfl/mike- ... -for-49ers

Florio is a rectal clown who says things to drive clicks. Him making a prediction shouldn't be used in an argument about anything, ever.

Doesn't mean he's incorrect though. Time will tell.

[Al Bundy]

If you're the Buccaneers what does it take from the 49ers to let Brady play with them next season?

[King Bootz]

If you're the Buccaneers what does it take from the 49ers to let Brady play with them next season?

Lance and two 2's.

Btw, good thing there aren't any Brady threads.

Brady is the absolute GOAT. But this would be an all time face plant by Lynch. He gave up 3 1sts and a 3rd to get in position to draft Lance. To abandon ship a year later for a 45 year old QB, in addition to giving up 2 more picks, is even worse. Not to mention Brady is gonna cost way more against the cap than Lance does and you have to count on him not falling off a cliff sooner than later.

I'd like it for us because we get major cap relief, 2 more picks, and oh BTW a 21 year old QB that was the 3rd pick in the draft with 4 years on his contract. This would be way different than spending premium picks for Wilson or Watson or Cousins.

[nybf]

There should just be one thread. For everything. Come join me at bucsthread.com

[Doctor]

The faceplant already happened when Lynch didn't sign Brady as a Free Agent.

[Tnbandwagoner]

Lance and two 2's.

Btw, good thing there aren't any Brady threads.

Brady is the absolute GOAT. But this would be an all time face plant by Lynch. He gave up 3 1sts and a 3rd to get in position to draft Lance. To abandon ship a year later for a 45 year old QB, in addition to giving up 2 more picks, is even worse. Not to mention Brady is gonna cost way more against the cap than Lance does and you have to count on him not falling off a cliff sooner than later.

I'd like it for us because we get major cap relief, 2 more picks, and oh BTW a 21 year old QB that was the 3rd pick in the draft with 4 years on his contract. This would be way different than spending premium picks for Wilson or Watson or Cousins.

Yeah, that would be so dumb of Lynch to give up a couple picks for a QB who has won seven SBs and just led the league in passing yards and TDs when instead he could get a QB in Wilson who has won one SB and already found his cliff, or two other QBs who have never won a SB or even played in a conference championship (and one of whom may or may not end up in prison). That would be just terrible management.

Even just looking at it purely from a short-term perspective, there's no way that Brady would play any better than Jimmy G. did in the NFCCG; he certainly wouldn't have made the difference in losing that game or getting to the SB and winning it. No way Brady would have made a field goal difference in the score compared to Jimmy.

And of course the 49ers fans, the people that really matter to Lynch, would never prefer to go all-in for what would be a better shot at a SB ring than they have had since Steve Young played for them, as opposed to rolling the dice on the chance that Lance morphs into the guy at some point in the next ten or fifteen years.

[Tnbandwagoner]

The faceplant already happened when Lynch didn't sign Brady as a Free Agent.

Finally, you made a rational post. This times a thousand. Signing Brady now would simply be correcting his colossal blunder of two years ago.

Better to realize your mistake and make the right call the second time rather than doubling down like Staley going for it on fourth down three times in one game, getting stonewalled every time and looking like a monumental ass.

[Tnbandwagoner]

Brady has never played on a team where he had two offensive weapons in their prime, at the same time, on the level of Samuel and Kittle. He sure as hell has never been on a team like that, with a defense and an OL as good as the 49ers have. Add in the fact he would have better offensive coaching than he has ever had, by a comfortable margin, and that team would be scary with him. They could go undefeated.

That would be a season to go out on: undefeated and SB champ at 45.

[Snake]

What was Garoppolo’s dead cap situation when Brady was a free agent?

[mdb1958]

Brady - NFL Consultant

I'd be happy with just picks, then we could just be happy building the team and then go hog wild again next year in the top ten/teens. The combination of youth and veterans just could surprise.

[mdb1958]

Now I want a little more pick magic.

[MJW]

Brady has never played on a team where he had two offensive weapons in their prime, at the same time, on the level of Samuel and Kittle. He sure as hell has never been on a team like that, with a defense and an OL as good as the 49ers have. Add in the fact he would have better offensive coaching than he has ever had, by a comfortable margin, and that team would be scary with him. They could go undefeated.

That would be a season to go out on: undefeated and SB champ at 45.

Only "con" is it's the toughest division in the NFC. But looking around, that's not saying too much.

Imagine Rodgers leaves for Denver. The quarterbacks right now in the NFC outside of the West:

Dak Prescott
Kyle Allen/Taylor Heinecke
Jalen Hurts
Daniel Jones
Jordan Love
Kirk Cousins
Jared Goff
Justin Fields
Kyle Trask/Blaine Gabbert
Taysom Hill
The Late Matt Ryan
Sam Darnold

It's honestly amazing right now. I hope nobody makes any moves.

[King Bootz]

Brady is the absolute GOAT. But this would be an all time face plant by Lynch. He gave up 3 1sts and a 3rd to get in position to draft Lance. To abandon ship a year later for a 45 year old QB, in addition to giving up 2 more picks, is even worse. Not to mention Brady is gonna cost way more against the cap than Lance does and you have to count on him not falling off a cliff sooner than later.

I'd like it for us because we get major cap relief, 2 more picks, and oh BTW a 21 year old QB that was the 3rd pick in the draft with 4 years on his contract. This would be way different than spending premium picks for Wilson or Watson or Cousins.

Yeah, that would be so dumb of Lynch to give up a couple picks for a QB who has won seven SBs and just led the league in passing yards and TDs when instead he could get a QB in Wilson who has won one SB and already found his cliff, or two other QBs who have never won a SB or even played in a conference championship (and one of whom may or may not end up in prison). That would be just terrible management.

Even just looking at it purely from a short-term perspective, there's no way that Brady would play any better than Jimmy G. did in the NFCCG; he certainly wouldn't have made the difference in losing that game or getting to the SB and winning it. No way Brady would have made a field goal difference in the score compared to Jimmy.

And of course the 49ers fans, the people that really matter to Lynch, would never prefer to go all-in for what would be a better shot at a SB ring than they have had since Steve Young played for them, as opposed to rolling the dice on the chance that Lance morphs into the guy at some point in the next ten or fifteen years.

In the context of the trade Pete discussed, Trey Lance and 2 2nd round picks, Lynch would not only be giving up a couple of picks. He's giving up a couple of picks+ a QB that represents 3 1sts & 1 3rd. Those 3 1sts represent a long term investment that would be given up for a potential, if unlikely, short term gain. Again, what he'd have to count on is Brady continuing to defy odds literally no other person in the leage has done in it's 103 year history.

Economically and logistically speaking, that's a bad trade. For 1, trading Lance now would lead to a $16mil dead cap hit + an $8mil+ loss in salary cap space for the Niners. Plus they'd have to pay Brady. 2nd, every expectation you or the Niners would have of Brady would come from past accomplishments. Take a look at Brett Favre from 2009 to 2010. Fell off a cliff.
Peyton Manning from 2014 to 2015. Fell off a cliff.
Drew Brees 2019 to 2020? Cliff.

Brady is at an age that it could happen at any moment. You know this to be true. If I asked you to put a guarantee on him not declining in 2022, you wouldn't be able to make one. Without that guarantee there's no way you make that trade.

[Cheb]

Brady has never played on a team where he had two offensive weapons in their prime, at the same time, on the level of Samuel and Kittle. He sure as hell has never been on a team like that, with a defense and an OL as good as the 49ers have. Add in the fact he would have better offensive coaching than he has ever had, by a comfortable margin, and that team would be scary with him. They could go undefeated.

That would be a season to go out on: undefeated and SB champ at 45.

Gronk and Moss and Welker and Edelman in various combinations.

Mike Evans and Chris Godwin for us.

Child please.

[Max]

If you're the Buccaneers what does it take from the 49ers to let Brady play with them next season?

Lance and two 2's.

Btw, good thing there aren't any Brady threads.

Nothing. 

If Brady goes to the Glazers and tells them he wants to play one more season with the 49ers, he'll be released. Does anyone here seriously believe we would play hardball and ask for a haul after he won us a Super Bowl? Yeah no. That's not going to happen. 

Brady is the absolute GOAT. But this would be an all time face plant by Lynch. He gave up 3 1sts and a 3rd to get in position to draft Lance. To abandon ship a year later for a 45 year old QB, in addition to giving up 2 more picks, is even worse. Not to mention Brady is gonna cost way more against the cap than Lance does and you have to count on him not falling off a cliff sooner than later.

I'd like it for us because we get major cap relief, 2 more picks, and oh BTW a 21 year old QB that was the 3rd pick in the draft with 4 years on his contract. This would be way different than spending premium picks for Wilson or Watson or Cousins.

Bringing in Brady for one season wouldn't be giving up on Lance. He's 21 years old and the 49ers have him under contract till 2025 including the fifth year option.  

They could sit him in 2022 (like they did this season), have a thousand times higher chance at a Super Bowl with Brady and then start him for for three years before they have to decide if he's their franchise QB going forward. It would be an absolute no-brainer.