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Redrum wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:09 pm
Fucking yeah
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Snake wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:35 pm They need to keep David. Hope to hear that announcement.
If we need to keep David which mean no Lamar and Baker.. you’re ok with that?
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BucsNBills wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:57 pm
Snake wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:54 pm Some people were actually convinced this team would meaningfully compete lol
Gotta keep up with the Rams for the race for Caleb Williams.


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Phantom wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:52 pm
Snake wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:35 pm They need to keep David. Hope to hear that announcement.
If we need to keep David which mean no Lamar and Baker.. you’re ok with that?
If it meant no baker? Then I hope they re-sign LVD immediately.

Lamar? That’s a big can of worms. But probably, yeah.
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Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:35 pm "Star" OL Shaq Mason.....Who writes these headlines?

Could we get a 4th for him? Prolly a 7th.
I'm not against it.
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Reminder: there are hundreds and hundreds that didnt get invited to the combine.
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I would love to see a historical chart of teams who have drafted away from the combine players.
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Great job resigning Jamel Dean. Didn't think we would have the money so that's nice. It'll be interesting to see his contract details once they come out.

Color me surprised that Nacho got signed before LVD did. I guess the off-ball linebacker market is a bit cool.
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There are a number of our free agents that just may take a pay cut in order for a chance to extend their careers.
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Worth every penny
According to NFL Next Gen Stats, Dean, who turned 26 in October, allowed 386 yards as the nearest defender -- fifth fewest among players with a minimum of 60 targets. He also allowed a 46.6 completion percentage. He finished the season with a fractured big toe.
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Phantom wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:52 pm
Snake wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:35 pm They need to keep David. Hope to hear that announcement.
If we need to keep David which mean no Lamar and Baker.. you’re ok with that?
If giving up LVD means we get Lamar then I shake LVD’s hand, wish him well & tell him he will be inducted into the ROH 1 year after retirement.
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Ah ha. Lamar look good in red

That was the only pic I found

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We're basically paying Dean and CD3 nearly the same APY combined that Jalen Ramsey makes on his own. We definitely got good deals with both our top corners.
We're paying the price for a half-measure taken by The Union 160 years ago.

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Phantom wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:25 pm Ah ha. Lamar look good in red

That was the only pic I found

Damn that makes it feel almost real.
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BucsNBills wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:36 pm We're basically paying Dean and CD3 nearly the same APY combined that Jalen Ramsey makes on his own. We definitely got good deals with both our top corners.
Say what you want about Bowles, but it's a testament to him that both of them clearly wanted to stay here, and that is definitely saying something.
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So we are cap compliant, kept our best corner, will likely keep Lavonte, cut under performers in Smith and Fournette.

I have nothing but praise for how this offseason has been handled so far.
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I’m shocked we kept Dean. I’m glad though, our defense isn’t getting as wrecked as I thought.
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Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:22 pm
Cheb wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:16 pm

I also would be surprised if we can find a trade partner, but there is alot of movement with guards at the start of the legal tampering period, so maybe somebody would get desperate? I wouldn't hold my breath.

It doesn't matter if we cut or trade him from a savings perspective, the Bucs get $5.3 million in cap space with $4.3 million in dead cap either way.
His deal also comes with 4 void years. No team is gonna take that on in addition to his $7.5mil salary.
Since we paid the money on the void years, wouldn't that become immediately due for us? i doubt the new team would suffer the cap hit. Then again, who wanted to ship a player with void years?
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Miller4Prez64 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:13 pm I’m shocked we kept Dean. I’m glad though, our defense isn’t getting as wrecked as I thought.
The replacement plan for both Dean and Davis needs to be in effect before their contracts run out.
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I'm also happy we kept Dean. I feel a RB and OLine and the rest defense now, a slot defender for sure also
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The Bucs need to move at least one player so they have the salary cap space to sign LVD.
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So Jimmy G to Raiders, Winston to Saints, Aaron Rodgers to Jets/Packers or retire and Young/Stroud/Richardson to Panthers

We’ll be stuck with Mayfield/Trask. Terrific
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Phantom wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:13 pm So Jimmy G to Raiders, Winston to Saints, Aaron Rodgers to Jets/Packers or retire and Young/Stroud/Richardson to Panthers

We’ll be stuck with Mayfield/Trask. Terrific
Jimmy G - trash
Winston - trash
Aaron Rodgers - great
Rookie QB - probably good
Mayfield- trash
Trask - probably trash, maybe better

So our QB situation is the same floor as Raiders/Saints but with a higher ceiling as Trask is unproven.

Unless we land lamar that’s all we can really expect
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Phantom wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:13 pm So Jimmy G to Raiders, Winston to Saints, Aaron Rodgers to Jets/Packers or retire and Young/Stroud/Richardson to Panthers

We’ll be stuck with Mayfield/Trask. Terrific
Up until a few days ago, we had the least cap space in the NFL. We knew from the jump that we could be outbid for the expensive guys and that's okay.

This year we will have to win with Trask or his cheap veteran/rookie counterpart at QB. We've known that for months and that's okay. We are paying Tom Brady $35 million to sit on his couch, and this season is the price for that prior success.

Breathe, my friend. Either the Bucs QBs will do well this year, in which case we are aces, or they will not and we will know that we need to replace them, and will have the resources to do so next year.

Have patience.
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Shaq Mason is on the block.

Devin White SHOULD be on the block.
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So like I've been thinking all along, if we lose all defensive line and outside linebacker free agents or say most of them - we draft them - period. Every free agent has been we try to replace with more free agent has beens will just take away comp picks. We need 4 year contracts that work for us.

Nacho definitely wasnt a team coat hanger.
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MJW wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:21 am Shaq Mason is on the block.

Devin White SHOULD be on the block.

Who would be your pick in this draft to replace Devin White?
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mdb1958 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:14 am
MJW wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:21 am Shaq Mason is on the block.

Devin White SHOULD be on the block.

Who would be your pick in this draft to replace Devin White?
We Re-Sign LVD, which we should do anyway, and we let KJ Britt battle it out with the rabble for the time being, unless we find a guy we like in this class. We save $12 mil by trading him and we can probably get a top 50 pick in return.

This to me makes infinitely more sense than paying him. He's not that guy and we, above all others, know that.
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Wouldn't mind bringing Calais Campbell in on a 1 year mercenary deal. He's still playing a high level and would bolster the dline for cheap.
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MJW wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:31 am
mdb1958 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:14 am


Who would be your pick in this draft to replace Devin White?
We Re-Sign LVD, which we should do anyway, and we let KJ Britt battle it out with the rabble for the time being, unless we find a guy we like in this class. We save $12 mil by trading him and we can probably get a top 50 pick in return.

This to me makes infinitely more sense than paying him. He's not that guy and we, above all others, know that.
White is the teachers pet, so sadly there's zero chance we trade him, even though we should.
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BucsNBills wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:52 am Wouldn't mind bringing Calais Campbell in on a 1 year mercenary deal. He's still playing a high level and would bolster the dline for cheap.
Any if the last three years, sure. But WTF sense does it make to bring him here this year?
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MJW wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:31 am
mdb1958 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:14 am


Who would be your pick in this draft to replace Devin White?
We Re-Sign LVD, which we should do anyway, and we let KJ Britt battle it out with the rabble for the time being, unless we find a guy we like in this class. We save $12 mil by trading him and we can probably get a top 50 pick in return.

This to me makes infinitely more sense than paying him. He's not that guy and we, above all others, know that.
If you could "probably" get a top 50 pick for a guy, then you have no reason to trade him unless you can't afford him or he asks to be traded. No team is gonna trade for him if he nit "that guy", no less give up a top 50 pick for him.
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Bootz wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:07 am
MJW wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:31 am

We Re-Sign LVD, which we should do anyway, and we let KJ Britt battle it out with the rabble for the time being, unless we find a guy we like in this class. We save $12 mil by trading him and we can probably get a top 50 pick in return.

This to me makes infinitely more sense than paying him. He's not that guy and we, above all others, know that.
If you could "probably" get a top 50 pick for a guy, then you have no reason to trade him unless you can't afford him or he asks to be traded. No team is gonna trade for him if he nit "that guy", no less give up a top 50 pick for him.
You're assuming every GM is smart. We know better. The athletic ability is 1%. The flash plays are jaw-dropping. Some team will look at him and his age and decide they can fix the lacking parts of the game.

Also, his 5th year option money ($11 Mil) comes right off the books. That's a win-win for me.
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Bootz wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:07 am
MJW wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:31 am

We Re-Sign LVD, which we should do anyway, and we let KJ Britt battle it out with the rabble for the time being, unless we find a guy we like in this class. We save $12 mil by trading him and we can probably get a top 50 pick in return.

This to me makes infinitely more sense than paying him. He's not that guy and we, above all others, know that.
If you could "probably" get a top 50 pick for a guy, then you have no reason to trade him unless you can't afford him or he asks to be traded. No team is gonna trade for him if he nit "that guy", no less give up a top 50 pick for him.
That’s the dumbest logic ever. Sam Bradford was traded for a first rounder after years of being terrible. The patriots traded a 2nd rounder for Mohammad fucking Sanu.
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If you can get a good pick for White, you should definitely do that.

There’s a poorly run organization out there willing to acquire him.
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