Bucs vs Lions discussion

[mdb1958]

The Bucs need to start quickly with scoring TD's.
Pound the run game with big yards.
Get Goff chasing the lead and dropping their run game.
Then Mayfield can cut the jugular.

[Snake]

Indeed, if Godwin never plays again it will be devastating. Yet the contract will be the least tragic part of it all.

But you have an incredible player with bottomless commitment supported by one of the most expensive medical staffs in the world. I'm not going to lose faith and declare it all a wash because of some set backs 6 weeks into a 3 year deal.

This is what should give people pause. This is one of the most expensive medical staffs in the world. I imagine all professional sports staffs are. And this staff, having had him in their care with this injury for over a year, deemed him ready to play and it lasted all of 1.5 games. Same staff that gave Luke Goedeke the okay to play week 2 and 14 plays later, he's out now the the following month+. Same staff that gave Evans the okay to play MNF last year vs the Ravens and a few plays in he's done for a month.

I'm sure you'll call them all unfortunate coincidences. But this staff has shown either they don't provide quality prognosis OR they rush players back to quickly. So the faith in them continues to diminish.

The contract absolutely is part of that equation in a salary cap sport. It's naive to think otherwise. That's resources that you dont have at your disposal anymore. I know you know and understand this. It's kind of disappointing that you pretend you don't realize it and that everything is going to plan.

Doctor gets halfway to the truth. I don’t know if it’s laziness, or what.

the contract matters. Because if the contract paid $50m AAV, he would say it’s the most tragic part of Godwin missing time. + the opportunity cost of acquiring other players instead. So it’s the amount he doesn’t have a problem with.

Where I disagree with him, is the equation of X amount of Godwin dollars being worth Y % of raising the team’s ceiling come playoff time (the next few seasons).

1. I think the Buccaneers were bidding against themselves and/or got worked by his agent.

2. Godwin has accumulated multiple serious lower body injuries and has a lot of miles on the tires.

Number 2 can be hand waved away with some physician/expert input. Number 1 isn’t excusable imo.

[Doctor]

They were literally outbid by the Pats.

[Backside]

Detroit will be getting Alim McNeil back for this game.

No word yet on Egbuka is a bit concerning. But the practice schedule is shifted this week due to MNF. Hopefully it’s not too long after the bye week that he can come back.

Would love to have Mike back against the Lions. He along with Shepard and Johnson&Johnson would be serviceable and I think that group could work well together. Hope Evans is healthy and still has some vintage performances left in him.

[Doctor]

Anytime a player can't play out his contract sucks. Whether $3M or $30M. And yes, "it matters", absolutely.

But we honestly have no business having Godwin on the team, he should be laughing his way to the bank in NE and Baker all his cap should be going to Baker. But we got a lot of these guys on discounts and deals because of our culture and family. And because they believe they can win a chip together.

And yes, I am operating under the premise Godwin gets healthy again. Because people heal.

[Bootz]

They were literally outbid by the Pats.

That was never substantiated. A guy wrote an article where he was speaking with Godwin and was supposedly told that the Patriots offered more but somehow that quote never made the cut. Plus its clear he was never passing a physical with a new team so those claims can easily be refuted.

[Bootz]

Anytime a player can't play out his contract sucks. Whether $3M or $30M. And yes, "it matters", absolutely.

But we honestly have no business having Godwin on the team, he should be laughing his way to the bank in NE and Baker all his cap should be going to Baker. But we got a lot of these guys on discounts and deals because of our culture and family. And because they believe they can win a chip together.

And yes, I am operating under the premise Godwin gets healthy again. Because people heal.

And sometimes they don't. You're pretending like healing is universal and guaranteed. Ryan Jensen and Eric Legrange would love a word with you.

[Bootz]

Detroit will be getting Alim McNeil back for this game.

No word yet on Egbuka is a bit concerning. But the practice schedule is shifted this week due to MNF. Hopefully it’s not too long after the bye week that he can come back.

Would love to have Mike back against the Lions. He along with Shepard and Johnson&Johnson would be serviceable and I think that group could work well together. Hope Evans is healthy and still has some vintage performances left in him.

It'll be interesting to see how much he plays. But McNeil is a great player and helps their defense overall.

[mdb1958]

Detroit will be getting Alim McNeil back for this game.

No word yet on Egbuka is a bit concerning. But the practice schedule is shifted this week due to MNF. Hopefully it’s not too long after the bye week that he can come back.

Would love to have Mike back against the Lions. He along with Shepard and Johnson&Johnson would be serviceable and I think that group could work well together. Hope Evans is healthy and still has some vintage performances left in him.

Who will play LCB for the Lions? Our TE's and WR's need to block well in the run game. Jones had big yards against us with no TD's, we need to try for that with Goff. If our o-line can give Baker time I think they could get punished. The Lions top three tacklers are LB's, Bowles needs to have them fundamentally ready.

[Bootz]

Monday will be a great barometer for him. Glad he's getting recognized. But I'd like to think its not a coincidence that both of his INTs have come vs backup QBs.

[Redrum]

Sounds like Egbuka will likely miss Monday's game

[BuccaNOLEer]

Monday will be a great barometer for him. Glad he's getting recognized. But I'd like to think its not a coincidence that both of his INTs have come vs backup QBs.

Not to mention that it's a contract year for him.

[mdb1958]

Sounds like Egbuka will likely miss Monday's game

So, Garrett Greene will have them completely in the dark!

[Bootz]

Sounds like Egbuka will likely miss Monday's game

So, Garrett Greene will have them completely in the dark!

Doubt he's elevated unless Evans can't go. Should be Evans, Shepard, Miller, Johnson and Johnson.

[Primeminister]

Medical staff can only do so much. They can advise players and coaches. In a civilian bubble they would probably be advising way more time off with the goal of 100% for every single injury. "Playing hurt" wouldn't be a thing. Heck they'd advise no more football ever after just one concussion.

But this is football. So the most they can do is just say "hey, it's looking like this. He could play but he'll be at higher risk or re injury and yadda yadda" but the ultimate decision on the risk rewards is on the player and coaches.

Do players always make the right call? No. Do they sometimes rush back? Sure.

But expecting medical staff to say "no, we won't let you play him at 80% because you're risking the rest of his contract which is taking up a good chunk of cap" is having them go way outside of their lane.

Doc, players cannot force their way on to the field. If the medical staff says the risk of re-injury is night the coaching staff can simply not play the guy. It’s not hard.

You praised this medical staff earlier, but I think it’s damning to your argument. This very same medical staff has a poor track record (as @Bootz already spoke to) of keeping players healthy. Therefore if a player has a major injury it is reasonable to assume there will be further issues based on this staff. You premise of this contract being worth it, but I dont see why that should be the safe assumption based on the staff, Godwin’s injury history & style of play. My objection to this contract was always based in believing Godwin’s health will not hold up. I don’t claim you to always “peddle hopium” but this one really does seem like hope alone.

[Primeminister]

Sounds like Egbuka will likely miss Monday's game

I hope so. How common is it for a hammy to be a 1 week injury? Never? I say hold E2 out until after the bye.

[mdb1958]

Run a mile a day backwards.

[Doooshnzl]

Sounds like Egbuka will likely miss Monday's game

I hope so. How common is it for a hammy to be a 1 week injury? Never? I say hold E2 out until after the bye.

I agree. There is no way a wr is not missing at least a game or 2 after even a minor hamstring tweak. We are barely 1/3 of the way through this season and with Evans and Godwin so vulnerable we need Egbuka down the stretch and into the playoffs.

[Noles1724]

Sounds like Egbuka will likely miss Monday's game

I hope so. How common is it for a hammy to be a 1 week injury? Never? I say hold E2 out until after the bye.

I'm feeling the same for ME.. I'd rather roll with the 5-7 then to go out there with our 1,5,6 and then lose ME for another stretch of games.

[Doctor]

There's a difference between CAN he play and SHOULD he play. Medical staff only determines the former.

[GreatTimes]

The Lions need to win this game is greater than the Bucs need to win this game. Plus, the game is being played in Detroit.
The big question is who the NFL wants to win the game.

Why would their need be greater than ours? We should want to have a tie Breaker advantage over another division leader. Already lost to 1, and beat another.

The lions can't afford to be 2 games behind the Packers.
The Bucs would srill be in control of the NFCS even with a loss to Detroit.

[Noles1724]

Why would their need be greater than ours? We should want to have a tie Breaker advantage over another division leader. Already lost to 1, and beat another.

The lions can't afford to be 2 games behind the Packers.
The Bucs would srill be in control of the NFCS even with a loss to Detroit.

Someone bit

[Noles1724]

[mdb1958]

We are 6-2 in the last 23 years in Detroit.

[Phantom]

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[Phantom]

[Grahamburn]

Bring the Payne on him.

[mdb1958]

Which base defenses are playing better - 4-3 or 3-4? Would you say it is harder to find the 3-4 players to fit our defense?

[Nobody]

I’ll feel a lot better about this one if McCollum and Morrison suit up and aren’t limited. Our full complement of CBs changes the scope and effectiveness of this defense by a fair stretch.

[mdb1958]

I’ll feel a lot better about this one if McCollum and Morrison suit up and aren’t limited. Our full complement of CBs changes the scope and effectiveness of this defense by a fair stretch.

As does theirs, are they going to be able to configure a decent defensive backfield in this game. If we dominate this LOS in this game I will feel better. Plus we need to score like a machine to put huge pressure on the Lions.

[mdb1958]

Mayfield has been able to use his weapons this year while I remember Tom struggling when he didnt have his prime weapons and his demeanor was well time to punt. Lots of wasted plays.

Tom wanted everything just right and Mayfield seems to do "whatever it takes".

[Pirate Life]

They were literally outbid by the Pats.

That was never substantiated. A guy wrote an article where he was speaking with Godwin and was supposedly told that the Patriots offered more but somehow that quote never made the cut. Plus its clear he was never passing a physical with a new team so those claims can easily be refuted.

Quote is in the article actually as much as you don't want it to be:

Godwin deeply appreciates all he has in Tampa. “If I ended up going to New England, it would have been solely based off money because everything else was telling me to stay here,” he says.

You don't say that if New England's not offering more money.

Combine that coming from Godwin and multiple New England sources saying the Patriots offered more money than the Bucs in addition to other reporting on a national level hard to not conclude the story's true.

And as we've seen this season, teams will trade for players on IR who obviously can't pass a physical at the time of the trade.

[Bootz]

That was never substantiated. A guy wrote an article where he was speaking with Godwin and was supposedly told that the Patriots offered more but somehow that quote never made the cut. Plus its clear he was never passing a physical with a new team so those claims can easily be refuted.

Quote is in the article actually as much as you don't want it to be:

Godwin deeply appreciates all he has in Tampa. “If I ended up going to New England, it would have been solely based off money because everything else was telling me to stay here,” he says.

You don't say that if New England's not offering more money.

Combine that coming from Godwin and multiple New England sources saying the Patriots offered more money than the Bucs in addition to other reporting on a national level hard to not conclude the story's true.

And as we've seen this season, teams will trade for players on IR who obviously can't pass a physical at the time of the trade.

"You don't say that if New England's not offering more money". That's still speculating and assuming. Again, shouldn't be hard to prove if he actually said it.


And furthermore people were quoting $30mil/year as the figure. If that's what he told the interviewer why not include it in article?

[Grahamburn]

[Buc2]

Quote is in the article actually as much as you don't want it to be:



You don't say that if New England's not offering more money.

Combine that coming from Godwin and multiple New England sources saying the Patriots offered more money than the Bucs in addition to other reporting on a national level hard to not conclude the story's true.

And as we've seen this season, teams will trade for players on IR who obviously can't pass a physical at the time of the trade.

"You don't say that if New England's not offering more money". That's still speculating and assuming. Again, shouldn't be hard to prove if he actually said it.


And furthermore people were quoting $30mil/year as the figure. If that's what he told the interviewer why not include it in article?

For fucksake, man. Take the L and move on.