With the 19th pick in the NFL draft the Buccaneers select…

[Grahamburn]

I do wonder what the deal is with Pearce? You keep hearing "character concerns" about him, but nobody can really put a finger on what that means. Don't know if he interviewed poorly at the combine or former coaches don't have great things to say about his work ethic or how he is as a teammate?

Prior to the year he was pretty much a consensus top 5 pick.

Green has been accused of sexual assault on two different occasions. Pretty cut and dry with him. Can you tolerate that in your building or not?

[BucsNBills]

When you guys are thinking about our draft picks vs what we have already on defense, you need to adjust what your realistic game day depth will be.

AWJ: Out
Vea: Out
Kancey: Out
Dean: Out

Those four guys are GOING TO MISS GAMES in 2025. It's all but guaranteed. Maybe they're all 4 gone at the same time. They might be gone for Wild Card weekend.

Who we beating with all 4 of those guys down?

Not to mention that Diaby is always flirting with missing time and Reddick is a complete unknown.

Personally I'm drafting assuming that Dean, Kancey, Vea, and AWJ will be on IR by the end of the first game in September.

[mdb1958]

When you guys are thinking about our draft picks vs what we have already on defense, you need to adjust what your realistic game day depth will be.

AWJ: Out
Vea: Out
Kancey: Out
Dean: Out

Those four guys are GOING TO MISS GAMES in 2025. It's all but guaranteed. Maybe they're all 4 gone at the same time. They might be gone for Wild Card weekend.

Who we beating with all 4 of those guys down?

Not to mention that Diaby is always flirting with missing time and Reddick is a complete unknown.

Personally I'm drafting assuming that Dean, Kancey, Vea, and AWJ will be on IR by the end of the first game in September.

You are most welcome to look at my sims.

[mdb1958]

I do wonder what the deal is with Pearce? You keep hearing "character concerns" about him, but nobody can really put a finger on what that means. Don't know if he interviewed poorly at the combine or former coaches don't have great things to say about his work ethic or how he is as a teammate?

Prior to the year he was pretty much a consensus top 5 pick.

Green has been accused of sexual assault on two different occasions. Pretty cut and dry with him. Can you tolerate that in your building or not?

I saw that and was going to ask you what's up with Pearce.

If those girls lawyers told them they would most likely not get money I think the Mike Green deal would die.

[Sdbucs]

When you guys are thinking about our draft picks vs what we have already on defense, you need to adjust what your realistic game day depth will be.

AWJ: Out
Vea: Out
Kancey: Out
Dean: Out

Those four guys are GOING TO MISS GAMES in 2025. It's all but guaranteed. Maybe they're all 4 gone at the same time. They might be gone for Wild Card weekend.

Who we beating with all 4 of those guys down?

Not to mention that Diaby is always flirting with missing time and Reddick is a complete unknown.

Personally I'm drafting assuming that Dean, Kancey, Vea, and AWJ will be on IR by the end of the first game in September.

This is why I'm fine with taking IDL or CB at 19 if Pearce, Carter, Green are gone

[Sdbucs]

Lets say the following players are available at 19:

McMillan - WR
Burden II - WR
Golden - WR
Jeanty - HB
Nolen - IDL
Grant - IDL

Top DE prospects are gone, Jihaad is gone, top CB prospects (Barron and Johnson) are gone. Maybe the 5th best OT is left.

Who are you taking? Any of those, or someone else?

Those offensive prospects sure are tempting. McMillan would be our Evans heir and Burden/Golden could be an agile/speedster type that we haven't seen here. Jeanty a freak RB to split with Bucky.

[Sdbucs]

This is a perfect example of how obvious DE tape is. There's nothing flashy here. He's not tenacious. He looks like he's running through quicksand he plays so slow. Couldn't tell you why we drafted him so high.

Avoid DE's like this.

If you watch the JTS tape then watch James Pearce its a completely different game speed entirely

[mdb1958]

Who is our 2nd pick? Minus 52 picks (or more) the entire 2025 draft class is there.
If you got a favorite post it here. I'm struggling if Landon Jackson, Darien Porter, or one of the DT's are all here, which I've seen quite often.

[mdb1958]

I'm fine with it being said while not being said that Porter is not who we want. Same with Jackson if he fell that far. I may not do a Bruce Arians head scratcher (on who we go with) but I will be saying - are you sure. I hope I don't.

[Four Verticals]

Is there an mdb to english translator available on google?

[mdb1958]

Is there an mdb to english translator available on google?

I'm here to help

[mdb1958]

Is there an mdb to english translator available on google?

Who does Four Verticals want for our 2nd pick?

[Grahamburn]

Lets say the following players are available at 19:

McMillan - WR
Burden II - WR
Golden - WR
Jeanty - HB
Nolen - IDL
Grant - IDL

Top DE prospects are gone, Jihaad is gone, top CB prospects (Barron and Johnson) are gone. Maybe the 5th best OT is left.

Who are you taking? Any of those, or someone else?

Those offensive prospects sure are tempting. McMillan would be our Evans heir and Burden/Golden could be an agile/speedster type that we haven't seen here. Jeanty a freak RB to split with Bucky.

I typically don’t do “just trade back,” because it’s not that easy, but…

I’d think that’s a golden trade back scenario. Any team wanting to get in front of Denver/Pitt for first crack at an offensive weapon would need our spot.

Otherwise I’d take a defensive player. I like Ezeiruaku more than you so maybe him. Biggest immediate impact for us in this scenario is Emmanwori or Starks. But, like I said, you could get those guys with a trade back possibly.

[Grahamburn]

I also really like Grant and think mocks are low on him. He could be the guy too. Rotation with Vea/Kancey/Grant/Hall is pretty sick.

[GoldenBudda]

I do wonder what the deal is with Pearce? You keep hearing "character concerns" about him, but nobody can really put a finger on what that means. Don't know if he interviewed poorly at the combine or former coaches don't have great things to say about his work ethic or how he is as a teammate?

Prior to the year he was pretty much a consensus top 5 pick.

Green has been accused of sexual assault on two different occasions. Pretty cut and dry with him. Can you tolerate that in your building or not?

What I heard is Pearce's college coaches question whether, or not he loves football. I'd take him off the board. Greene is red flags, too and word is the Bucs love Donovan Ezeiruaku.

I like Kenneth Grant and Jalon Walker defensively. Walker would be a Todd Bowles dream come true and could become the next great Bucs LB?
Grant lined up next to Vea would be an amazing sight to behold. Being in the NFC, we need an answer to the tush push. Grant, and Vea are the answer.

I also like Barron and Emmanwori, but this class of DB's is very deep. We could luck into a really good DB on day two. Ideally, if we could trade down into the 20's and pick up an extra pick or two, then we could use the extra pick to trade up in round two.

If we stand pat in the 2nd so much elite defensive talent will be gone by the time we pick I think it will force WR as the choice in round two. Not that BPA is ever a bad thing. I like the WR class, too. I really like the second and third tiers. Higgins, Noel, Royals, Bech, Ayomanor and Kyle Williams is a group that is loaded with talent. I really like Higgins, and Williams. Most of these WR's will likely be gone by the third round.

[Grahamburn]

I could definitely see another 3rd round WR in our future.

[BucsNBills]

Thoughts on Jalon Walker? Is he like the perfect Bowles OLB prospect?

[Doctor]

I like him. He's on my tier 2 of targets. Would be very happy with him in draft Day.

[Babeinbucland]

Is there an mdb to english translator available on google?

[Babeinbucland]

I like him. He's on my tier 2 of targets. Would be very happy with him in draft Day.

I said this earlier in this thread:

So, my best friend’s hubs works for the Bulldogs for over 25 years and he believes that not only is Jalon Walker going to thrive in the NFl, he says he is just an outstanding human being. This is his latest text to me yesterday when I told him several folks have us mocked to take JW at 19:

“Awesome kid, His dad won the Butkus award as nation’s best linebacker. He came in as a freshman and said he was going to work hard and win it also and he did! His work ethic is beyond reproach. I think he will be gone before pick 19, but whomever gets him is going to be very impressed. This kid is the real deal”

[BucsNBills]

If we draft Walker, given his experience already playing MIKE, do we just put him next to LVD with Reddick and Diaby at edge?

I imagine his versatility would be a dream come true for Bowles given how much he likes to drop linebackers into coverage.

[mdb1958]

Walker is good in coverage? I would think if LVD misses time or plays then Deion Jones would wear the sideline helmet - or who would it be?

[Grahamburn]

If we draft Walker, given his experience already playing MIKE, do we just put him next to LVD with Reddick and Diaby at edge?

I imagine his versatility would be a dream come true for Bowles given how much he likes to drop linebackers into coverage.

I haven’t considered him much because I didn’t expect him to be available, but you never know.

There would be all kinds of possibilities with him.

He’s Devin White athletically but with coverage instincts and great football character.

Can’t imagine he wouldn’t be #1 on our board if available? I’ve seen him mocked as high as 8th to the Panthers.

Could use him similarly to the way the Vikings use Van Ginkel.

[mdb1958]

Coverage instincts? Which lobbyist told you that.

[Bootz]

To those who have cut our draft board in half....

[Sdbucs]

Been mocking Jalon Walker to us a lot actually. Seems to fit our OLB mold. Regularly tagged as the #1 LB in the class

[CannonFire]

To those who have cut our draft board in half....

I agree with Bowles.

[mdb1958]

I'll wait for Thursday's news

[Grahamburn]

Coverage instincts? Which lobbyist told you that.

He’s very good in zone coverage.

[GoldenBudda]

Thoughts on Jalon Walker? Is he like the perfect Bowles OLB prospect?

Walker has that one trait that can't be taught. A non-stop motor. He could continue in the role he had last year playing off the edge and off ball. Walker would be useful in helping disguise the defense. He could rush the passer, or drop back from anywhere. He would have to be Bowles no.1 player.

Some mocks have him going early, but he is a tweener in reality at only 240 pounds he isn't a plug in edge rusher and he doesn't have much experience off ball to justify such an early pick, with some speculators showing him as a top 40 prospect instead of top 10. The talent is rare. My gut says he'll be off the board by pick 12.

[mdb1958]

Coverage instincts? Which lobbyist told you that.

He’s very good in zone coverage.

You mean he makes the tackle - is that it. Or is it QB's avoid throwing it his way?

PFF has issues with him being top 50.
I'm not saying anything other than I don't see his production.

[Cheb]

Thoughts on Jalon Walker? Is he like the perfect Bowles OLB prospect?

Walker has that one trait that can't be taught. A non-stop motor. He could continue in the role he had last year playing off the edge and off ball. Walker would be useful in helping disguise the defense. He could rush the passer, or drop back from anywhere. He would have to be Bowles no.1 player.

Some mocks have him going early, but he is a tweener in reality at only 240 pounds he isn't a plug in edge rusher and he doesn't have much experience off ball to justify such an early pick, with some speculators showing him as a top 40 prospect instead of top 10. The talent is rare. My gut says he'll be off the board by pick 12.

I disagree.

No slight on you, but I think that both Walker and Campbell, the consensus top two inside linebackers, are fool's gold. They are edge rushers cosplaying at middle linebacker, and it shows when you watch them in a game instead of just watching highlights.

Watching him snap-to-snap, I think Jalon Walker is gonna get exposed hard in the pros. He's a less athletic version of Devin White, and moreover he's playing out of his natural position.

As just one example of linebacking malpractice, Jalon Walker had 38 solo tackles in a season where he started every game, less than 3 a game. And half of those came in three games; take those out and his average drops to a whopping TWO solo tackles a game. Either way, you've gotta be fucking joking me. Roquan Smith, the dude everyone is comping Walker to, got more than TWICE the tackles in the same position in the system at the same school. That's because Roquan is an off-ball linebacker... and Jalon Walker is not.

Apples to oranges, and buyer beware.

[BucsNBills]

I'm doing my best to get not get enamored with a specific prospect or position group to draft, so I'll be happy if we get any of the following players:

In no particular order,

Donovan Ez.
Jahdae Barron
Will Johnson
Malaki Starks
Nick Emmanwori
Kenneth Grant
Derrick Harmon
Nic Scourton
Tet McMillian
Tyler Warren
Gray Zabel

I'd be down for Jenty or Membou as well, but I can't see either falling to 19.

Obviously I could split hairs on who would be the "best" to take, overall though, I won't be unhappy if Licht lands on any of those guys for us. We'll be a better team one way or the other.

edit: Jihaad Campbell would've been on this list, but with his shoulder injury, he's a no go for me now in the 1st round.

[__Chef__]

edit: Jihaad Campbell would've been on this list, but with his shoulder injury, he's a no go for me now in the 1st round.

You have now brought Jihaad upon you.

[__Chef__]

To those who have cut our draft board in half....

Bowles says ... he’s learned that you win by scoring points.

Seriously though ... If someone slips ... I'm all for it.