Todd Bowles is a fucking fraud

[Snake]

I tend to agree with your logic, Max.

[King Bootz]

Lance and two 2's.

Btw, good thing there aren't any Brady threads.

Nothing. 

If Brady goes to the Glazers and tells them he wants to play one more season with the 49ers, he'll be released. Does anyone here seriously believe we would play hardball and ask for a haul after he won us a Super Bowl? Yeah no. That's not going to happen. 

Brady is the absolute GOAT. But this would be an all time face plant by Lynch. He gave up 3 1sts and a 3rd to get in position to draft Lance. To abandon ship a year later for a 45 year old QB, in addition to giving up 2 more picks, is even worse. Not to mention Brady is gonna cost way more against the cap than Lance does and you have to count on him not falling off a cliff sooner than later.

I'd like it for us because we get major cap relief, 2 more picks, and oh BTW a 21 year old QB that was the 3rd pick in the draft with 4 years on his contract. This would be way different than spending premium picks for Wilson or Watson or Cousins.

Bringing in Brady for one season wouldn't be giving up on Lance. He's 21 years old and the 49ers have him under contract till 2025 including the fifth year option.  

They could sit him in 2022 (like they did this season), have a thousand times higher chance at a Super Bowl with Brady and then start him for for three years before they have to decide if he's their franchise QB going forward. It would be an absolute no-brainer.

Re-read the discussion and then amend your reply.

[13F11B]

I am probably being naïve but I am not sleeping on Ryan just yet.

That is a good thing. I am pretty sure Ryan doesn't want you sleeping on him at any time.

OK, being serious. Matty Ryan is likely still a good QB but I would not put him in the might be elite category anymore. He is likely in the Kyler Murray strata of QBs but with no real future upside. Kyler is starting to look like 10-15 QB with not much more upside as well but he is at least younger.

[Max]

Re-read the discussion and then amend your reply.

Point being, it won't take the 49ers any draft capital (or trading away Lance) to get Brady on their roster, so nothing you wrote is relevant to the discussion.

[King Bootz]

Re-read the discussion and then amend your reply.

Point being, it won't take the 49ers any draft capital (or trading away Lance) to get Brady on their roster, so nothing you wrote is relevant to the discussion.

What??

The idea of trading Brady & Lance was the basis of the discussion. Go back and re-read the entire discussion starting with Pete giving an asking price of Lance + 2 2nds for Brady. He wasn't proposing it or saying it was even likely. But that is what the discussion was.

[Tnbandwagoner]

Brady has never played on a team where he had two offensive weapons in their prime, at the same time, on the level of Samuel and Kittle. He sure as hell has never been on a team like that, with a defense and an OL as good as the 49ers have. Add in the fact he would have better offensive coaching than he has ever had, by a comfortable margin, and that team would be scary with him. They could go undefeated.

That would be a season to go out on: undefeated and SB champ at 45.

Gronk and Moss and Welker and Edelman in various combinations.

Mike Evans and Chris Godwin for us.

Child please.

Nope - Moss was traded to the Vikes in October 2010 so he was on the same team as Gronk for all of one month, and Moss was decidedly past his prime at that point.

If you're trying to compare Wes Welker to Deebo Samuel you've already lost the argument. Welker was a good possession receiver; he was not a one-man take-over-the-game force of dominance like Samuel is. Also, Edelman did not hit his stride until after Welker was in Denver; Edelman was a borderline scrub for years before finally emerging as Brady's go-to guy. His yardage totals for his first four seasons as a Pat: 359, 86, 34, 235. His fifth season, 2013, he finally broke out with 1,056. That was Welker's first year in Denver.

[nybf]

bucsthread dot com

Catch the fever!

[Tnbandwagoner]

Yeah, that would be so dumb of Lynch to give up a couple picks for a QB who has won seven SBs and just led the league in passing yards and TDs when instead he could get a QB in Wilson who has won one SB and already found his cliff, or two other QBs who have never won a SB or even played in a conference championship (and one of whom may or may not end up in prison). That would be just terrible management.

Even just looking at it purely from a short-term perspective, there's no way that Brady would play any better than Jimmy G. did in the NFCCG; he certainly wouldn't have made the difference in losing that game or getting to the SB and winning it. No way Brady would have made a field goal difference in the score compared to Jimmy.

And of course the 49ers fans, the people that really matter to Lynch, would never prefer to go all-in for what would be a better shot at a SB ring than they have had since Steve Young played for them, as opposed to rolling the dice on the chance that Lance morphs into the guy at some point in the next ten or fifteen years.

In the context of the trade Pete discussed, Trey Lance and 2 2nd round picks, Lynch would not only be giving up a couple of picks. He's giving up a couple of picks+ a QB that represents 3 1sts & 1 3rd. Those 3 1sts represent a long term investment that would be given up for a potential, if unlikely, short term gain. Again, what he'd have to count on is Brady continuing to defy odds literally no other person in the leage has done in it's 103 year history.

Economically and logistically speaking, that's a bad trade. For 1, trading Lance now would lead to a $16mil dead cap hit + an $8mil+ loss in salary cap space for the Niners. Plus they'd have to pay Brady. 2nd, every expectation you or the Niners would have of Brady would come from past accomplishments. Take a look at Brett Favre from 2009 to 2010. Fell off a cliff.
Peyton Manning from 2014 to 2015. Fell off a cliff.
Drew Brees 2019 to 2020? Cliff.

Brady is at an age that it could happen at any moment. You know this to be true. If I asked you to put a guarantee on him not declining in 2022, you wouldn't be able to make one. Without that guarantee there's no way you make that trade.

There's a phenomenon in business called the sunk-cost fallacy. In terms of this discussion, it means simply that you don't hang on to a quarterback that may never even win a playoff game when you have a chance at getting the GOAT fresh off an MVP season just because you spent a lot of money to get the quarterback who has won nothing.

Also, neither of the examples of QBs hitting their cliff had just had an MVP season, and neither went to the lengths with his training that Brady does (this is self-evident just by the fact of what he just did at 44).

[MJW]

In the context of the trade Pete discussed, Trey Lance and 2 2nd round picks, Lynch would not only be giving up a couple of picks. He's giving up a couple of picks+ a QB that represents 3 1sts & 1 3rd. Those 3 1sts represent a long term investment that would be given up for a potential, if unlikely, short term gain. Again, what he'd have to count on is Brady continuing to defy odds literally no other person in the leage has done in it's 103 year history.

Economically and logistically speaking, that's a bad trade. For 1, trading Lance now would lead to a $16mil dead cap hit + an $8mil+ loss in salary cap space for the Niners. Plus they'd have to pay Brady. 2nd, every expectation you or the Niners would have of Brady would come from past accomplishments. Take a look at Brett Favre from 2009 to 2010. Fell off a cliff.
Peyton Manning from 2014 to 2015. Fell off a cliff.
Drew Brees 2019 to 2020? Cliff.

Brady is at an age that it could happen at any moment. You know this to be true. If I asked you to put a guarantee on him not declining in 2022, you wouldn't be able to make one. Without that guarantee there's no way you make that trade.

There's a phenomenon in business called the sunk-cost fallacy. In terms of this discussion, it means simply that you don't hang on to a quarterback that may never even win a playoff game when you have a chance at getting the GOAT fresh off an MVP season just because you spent a lot of money to get the quarterback who has won nothing.

Also, neither of the examples of QBs hitting their cliff had just had an MVP season, and neither went to the lengths with his training that Brady does (this is self-evident just by the fact of what he just did at 44).

I don't think this is a great example of the sunk cost fallacy, because Lance's value has a damn good chance of appreciating. But I get your point.

That said, the 49ers would be butt-loving insane to pass on TB12 if they have the chance. I'm a Lance fan. I've made that no secret. But they can still sit him for another two years and have three years of team control remaining, including the franchise tag.

[nybf]

bucsthread dot com

Catch the fever!

It's like beedogs but better!

I'll make like 9 forums. But there will only be one thread. It will start in TD and as soon as it gets political, I'll move it to OT.

[Max]

I think it's kind of fitting that we're having the Tom Brady retirement/joining another team talk in the Todd Bowles thread.

[nybf]

I'll make like 9 forums. But there will only be one thread. It will start in TD and as soon as it gets political, I'll move it to OT.

You are going to be moving a lot of threads.







Fascist.

Just the one thread. Going to just always move it around. Wake up? Move it. Have my coffee? Move it. Take a dump? That's right... Move it.

[Doctor]

Brady has never played on a team where he had two offensive weapons in their prime, at the same time, on the level of Samuel and Kittle. He sure as hell has never been on a team like that, with a defense and an OL as good as the 49ers have. Add in the fact he would have better offensive coaching than he has ever had, by a comfortable margin, and that team would be scary with him. They could go undefeated.

That would be a season to go out on: undefeated and SB champ at 45.

Um, what? I'd take Evans, Godwin, AB, Gronk over that any day. And this defense that shutdown Andy Reids Chiefs to 0 TDs.

[Tnbandwagoner]

You didn't read closely what I wrote (or chose to distort it). AB and Gronk were great last year, but both were also already past their prime. And that's speaking of 2020 - AB was good the first couple games he played this year, and barely noticeable in the games after the suspension (perhaps that had something to do with his antics).

Kittle had 900 yards this year with Jimmy G. throwing to him - an astute person could probably deduce that he would have slightly more yards than that in a season with Brady throwing to him. Samuel had 1400 yards receiving this year, and another 365 rushing, with Jimmy G. - do you really think he couldn't get 2,000 yards receiving in a season with Brady throwing to him? If you don't then you haven't watched him play one down.

Brandon Aiyuk was a second-year player this year and all he did was have 826 yards receiving as the #3 option. The #3 option on that team had 826 yards this year. Compare that to AB, who had 483 yards last year and 545 this year. AB missed games both seasons but that's part of the equation - we might have played in and won the SB this year had he not been an insano moron.

The 9ers also have a fourth clutch WR in Juan Jennings who just began ascending at the end of the season - he's a seventh-round draft pick and he had 94 yards receiving and two TDs in their week 18 win against the Rams. They also have Trent Williams, who is only about ten thousand light years better than our starting LT who was, as more than a couple sportswriters have observed, a turnstile in the game against the Rams.

Our defense had better stats the last two years than the 49ers - but we also lost twice to the Rams and got owned by the Saints four times, whereas SF beat the Rams six times in a row in the last three years. The 9ers have Nick Bosa, who only played two games in 2020 but played 17 in 2021 and had 15.5 sacks. We have no one playing at even close to that level now, and had no one playing at close to that level a year ago when we won it.

Lastly, as I noted in my previous post but which you conveniently chose not to address, the 9ers have a coaching staff that makes ours look like dads coaching Pop Warner.

[Doctor]

You talking about the guy that blew a 20-10 lead halfway through the 4th quarter in the Super Bowl or you talking about the guy that kept calling pass plays blowing a 28-3 lead in the Super Bowl?

Spoiler: it's the same guy


Our "dad coaching pop warner" has three rings and two coach of the year awards. But go off champ.

[Tnbandwagoner]

You talking about the guy that blew a 20-10 lead halfway through the 4th quarter in the Super Bowl or you talking about the guy that kept calling pass plays blowing a 28-3 lead in the Super Bowl?

Spoiler: it's the same guy


Our "dad coaching pop warner" has three rings and two coach of the year awards. But go off champ.

How many has he won as the head coach without Brady? The same number Shanahan has won. Arians went to the SB with Warner and Brady; Shanahan went to the SB with Matt Ryan and Jimmy G.

It takes a real commitment to dishonesty to even suggest that Arians is even remotely on a par with Shanahan. No one anywhere outside of people related to Arians is making that argument. You have exceeded your previous capacity for clownship.

[Doctor]

Leave some for his wife.

[Tnbandwagoner]

Leave some for his wife.

Oh, so when you run out of rational, adult things to say you stoop to that?

My response will be brief: I can promise you you would not say that to me in person. You would need a doctor if you did, the kind that works in the ER.

[Tnbandwagoner]

Leave some for his wife.

You're a piece of shit.

[Al Bundy]

Leave some for his wife.

Oh, so when you run out of rational, adult things to say you stoop to that?

My response will be brief: I can promise you you would not say that to me in person. You would need a doctor if you did, the kind that works in the ER.

Oh internet tough guy here.

[Tnbandwagoner]

Oh, so when you run out of rational, adult things to say you stoop to that?

My response will be brief: I can promise you you would not say that to me in person. You would need a doctor if you did, the kind that works in the ER.

Oh internet tough guy here.

No, just don't like being talked to in a way I never talk to others.

Also, your post is about as unoriginal and devoid of thought as just about any post in the history of internet forums.

[Al Bundy]

Oh internet tough guy here.

No, just don't like being talked to in a way I never talk to others.

Also, your post is about as unoriginal and devoid of thought as just about any post in the history of internet forums.

I guess... BTW Shanahan isn't as great as you think he is.

[Tnbandwagoner]

No, just don't like being talked to in a way I never talk to others.

Also, your post is about as unoriginal and devoid of thought as just about any post in the history of internet forums.

I guess... BTW Shanahan isn't as great as you think he is.

If you make it to the SB with Jimmy G. as your QB, you might be a decent coach. Matt Ryan was a JAG before Shanahan got to Atlanta and has been a JAG since Shanahan left; with Shanahan he won the MVP and went to the SB.

[IronDog]

What does the movements of arguably the GOAT Offensive monument have to do with the validity of our Defensive Coordinator and what every once in a while comes across as valid playcalling. This practice would obviously stand in Off Topic, because what would the world be like to have a thread in there actually stay on topic, but the NY fella proposed a disdain for the DC and shouldn't his thread remain on his topic without all this unrelated gobbligook? Hell's bells, you couldn't close your eyes, spin around three times and point your finger and not hit a thread about Brady and all of the happy horseshit speculation by sources, real or imagined.

[Al Bundy]

To get back to it, if Bowles was worth anything we win against the Rams and mop the floor with the 49ers and their superior coaching, OL and defense.

[Tnbandwagoner]

To get back to it, if Bowles was worth anything we win against the Rams and mop the floor with the 49ers and their superior coaching, OL and defense.

Agreed 100%. That's called the GOAT effect.

[Bucsfan83]

I cant take another year of Bowles. This has turned into a pass first league. So he stops the run and blitzes and gets torched in the secondary. I honestly think, while the run defense was good, no one in the right mind would pass up throwing the ball and thats how we really led in stopping the run. The only time Bowles was amazing was when he had Revis island. It takes 1 shut down corner of a high caliber for it to work and we have none.

[Doctor]

Leave some for his wife.

Oh, so when you run out of rational, adult things to say you stoop to that?

My response will be brief: I can promise you you would not say that to me in person. You would need a doctor if you did, the kind that works in the ER.

Looks like the only thing thinner than your reasoning is your skin. Classic internet tough guy.

[Doctor]

I cant take another year of Bowles. This has turned into a pass first league. So he stops the run and blitzes and gets torched in the secondary. I honestly think, while the run defense was good, no one in the right mind would pass up throwing the ball and thats how we really led in stopping the run. The only time Bowles was amazing was when he had Revis island. It takes 1 shut down corner of a high caliber for it to work and we have none.

He had that one game in February last year where he was pretty amazing...

Also, in the two years he had Revis the best he finished his defense finished was 9th in scoring.
We've finished 8th and 5th these last two years. We were last in sacks in 2017 with 22. Bowles's defense has consistently had 47+ sacks a year.

It's amazing how we have one of the best coaching staff and rosters we've ever had here in Tampa and there are people out here really calling for their heads to "Make Tampa Great Again"...

[Snake]

Yeah all it took was the Chiefs missing multiple o-linemen and having four of them play out of position to have a good defensive game.

Bowles of Shit stinks

[Tnbandwagoner]

Oh, so when you run out of rational, adult things to say you stoop to that?

My response will be brief: I can promise you you would not say that to me in person. You would need a doctor if you did, the kind that works in the ER.

Looks like the only thing thinner than your reasoning is your skin. Classic internet tough guy.

Tell you what: anytime you want to find out whether there is substance to what I wrote, get your sorry ass up to Tennessee, send me a PM on this site, and you can find out.

[Buc2]

Doc's gonna have his arm displayed on TN's mantle.

[Kress]

Doc's gonna have his arm displayed on TN's mantle.

Buc2 - I am pretty sure you said something about something on a football internet bulletin board before and that something offended the undercockles of my manhood. Let's meet up and fight.

Bitch.

[Buc2]

Doc's gonna have his arm displayed on TN's mantle.

Buc2 - I am pretty sure you said something about something on a football internet bulletin board before and that something offended the undercockles of my manhood. Let's meet up and fight.

Bitch.

Winner gets the other's arm, right? For display purposes only, of course. If so, I'm down!

[Doctor]

Buc2 - I am pretty sure you said something about something on a football internet bulletin board before and that something offended the undercockles of my manhood. Let's meet up and fight.

Bitch.

Winner gets the other's arm, right? For display purposes only, of course. If so, I'm down!