Chris Godwin Thread

[kaimaru]

So Amari Cooper and Keenan Allen got 20 million per year in 2020. You really think in two years that wide receiver pay is going to jump 25%? You're crazy.

Yes. $25M is the new going rate for a #1 WR.
A great #2 is $20M easy.

So yeah, it just depends on how you see Godwin. With no injury, I have no doubt someone see's him as a #1.

Three years,
60million.

EDIT: 40 mill guaranteed.

I guess the Bucs and Godwin himself feel he is a #2.

[Swashbuckler]

DUDE HOLY FUCK!!!! YES! YES!! YES!!!



@King Bootz @whistlepig777

Grab your signs boys we goin to WrestleMania

[whistlepig777]

And with that fat ass contract, Chris Godwin will take what he learned from Evans and restructure that into one fat paycheck at the start of every season for years and years.

Evans should take what he's learned from Godwin here and get as much as you can and wait out the market.

It's a theory.... maybe more of a hypothesis.

It seems like Evans restructures every year in such a way as to get the bulk of his money as a giant bonus up front before the season starts and keeps the gravy train running year after year.

I should look into this. Only noticed it last year.

[King Bootz]

I'm interested to see the structure of the deal. Mike Williams got the exact same deal last week(they share the same agent). His cap# this year is $14mil. I would imagine Godwin's is much less than that but it would also mean his subsequent cap years are very large.

[Snake]

Brady
Evans
Godwin
Gage
Gronk
1st round WR
2nd round RB
3rd round iOL

[Four Verticals]

Schefter said cap hit is $5mil this year.

Godwin clearly didn't want to play for the Bucs this year, next year or the year after. It is obvious.

[King Bootz]

Evans should take what he's learned from Godwin here and get as much as you can and wait out the market.

It's a theory.... maybe more of a hypothesis.

It seems like Evans restructures every year in such a way as to get the bulk of his money as a giant bonus up front before the season starts and keeps the gravy train running.

I should look into this. Only noticed it last year.

I recall him doing it once or twice. But perhaps he does.

I'm interested in this structure. If we brought Godwin's cap# down from $19.2mil, he likely got a large bonus up front anyway and has large cap figures the next 2 years.

[The Outsider]

[whistlepig777]

It's a theory.... maybe more of a hypothesis.

It seems like Evans restructures every year in such a way as to get the bulk of his money as a giant bonus up front before the season starts and keeps the gravy train running.

I should look into this. Only noticed it last year.

I recall him doing it once or twice. But perhaps he does.

I'm interested in this structure. If we brought Godwin's cap# down from $19.2mil, he likely got a large bonus up front anyway and has large cap figures the next 2 years.

And if I'm right, he'll parlay that into restructures and extensions until the cows come home.

This could end up a 5 or 6 year deal in effect.

If I'm right and I'm probably not.

[Snake]

$5m cap hit in 2022?

[whistlepig777]

$5m cap hit in 2022?

Is that real?

[Snake]

$5m cap hit in 2022?

Is that real?

I can’t find it. @Four Verticals link?

[Backside]

Hell yes! Great deal.

[BJJ34]

[whistlepig777]

Licht and Spytek just destroyed every front office in the league.

I'm standing outside and can hear the screams.

[Dread]

NFL math!!

We'll keep kicking the can down the road so the effect of these moves is spread over a decade.

[King Bootz]

Sounds about right.

What I'm more amazed at is fans thinking this is somehow different or groundbreaking salary cap practices. It's basically how all 1st round rookie deals have been since 2011 and how any contract with a signing bonus is.

[whistlepig777]

You were doing so well.

[King Bootz]

[King Bootz]

You were doing so well.

Yea, I forget sometimes how reality is too much to handle for some of you.

[Primeminister]

Brady
Evans
Godwin
Gage
Gronk
1st round WR
2nd round RB
3rd round iOL

We need DL

[Snake]

Brady
Evans
Godwin
Gage
Gronk
1st round WR
2nd round RB
3rd round iOL

We need DL

Sign em. We need actualized grown men on this d-line. Skill and quickness can contribute immediately on offense if we fit them in right

[whistlepig777]

You were doing so well.

Yea, I forget sometimes how reality is too much to handle for some of you.

You're just going to have to explain to me how signing a top free agent while only taking a small cap hit is something that routinely happens in the league.

I'm spitballing here so I won't die on this hill.

Some examples? I've never noticed this before.

[King Bootz]

Yea, I forget sometimes how reality is too much to handle for some of you.

You're just going to have to explain to me how signing a top free agent while only taking a small cap hit is something that routinely happens in the league.

I'm spitballing here so I won't die on this hill.

Some examples? I've never noticed this before.

Basically every Tom Brady contract in New England over his last 10 years there. Desean Jackson signed a similar deal with the Washington Team a few years back. Drew Brees last contract with the Saints. JJ Watt's contract with Arizona last year.

Again, this isn't anything new but fans are finally paying attention. Like I said, reality is hard for some.

[Redrum]

Very happy they got this worked out. It will be interesting to see who else they prioritize.

[whistlepig777]

You're just going to have to explain to me how signing a top free agent while only taking a small cap hit is something that routinely happens in the league.

I'm spitballing here so I won't die on this hill.

Some examples? I've never noticed this before.

Basically every Tom Brady contract in New England over his last 10 years there. Desean Jackson signed a similar deal with the Washington Team a few years back. Drew Brees last contract with the Saints. JJ Watt's contract with Arizona last year.

Again, this isn't anything new but fans are finally paying attention. Like I said, reality is hard for some.

I pulled up Watt's deal since it was the most recent.

Cards paid him $14.5 with only 4.9 hitting the cap last year.

This year he gets $13.5 with a $15.9 cap hit

7.2 in dead money for 2024.

Interesting.

[Snake]

Things have certainly changed. Dead money used to be viewed as the real Satan.

[King Bootz]

Basically every Tom Brady contract in New England over his last 10 years there. Desean Jackson signed a similar deal with the Washington Team a few years back. Drew Brees last contract with the Saints. JJ Watt's contract with Arizona last year.

Again, this isn't anything new but fans are finally paying attention. Like I said, reality is hard for some.

I pulled up Watt's deal since it was the most recent.

Cards paid him $14.5 with only 4.9 hitting the cap last year.

This year he gets $13.5 with a $15.9 cap hit

7.2 in dead money for 2024.

Interesting.

Precisely how voidable years work. Spreads out the burden of a contract. The downside is large dead cap hits after the players deal is up. Like we currently have for Suh & Gronk despite neither being under contract.

[kaimaru]

Sounds about right.

What I'm more amazed at is fans thinking this is somehow different or groundbreaking salary cap practices. It's basically how all 1st round rookie deals have been since 2011 and how any contract with a signing bonus is.

The contracts for rookies are set through the league office. This is a bit disingenuous as the only thing the rookie and FO are negotiating is any signing bonuses if they want more up front a la Joey Boss. Maybe some language.

[King Bootz]

Things have certainly changed. Dead money used to be viewed as the real Satan.

It's amazing that this use to be a franchise that prided itself on having as minimal dead cap money or singing bonuses as possible.

Now we basically hand out both for every contract signed.

[King Bootz]

Sounds about right.

What I'm more amazed at is fans thinking this is somehow different or groundbreaking salary cap practices. It's basically how all 1st round rookie deals have been since 2011 and how any contract with a signing bonus is.

The contracts for rookies are set through the league office. This is a bit disingenuous as the only thing the rookie and FO are negotiating is any signing bonuses if they want more up front a la Joey Boss. Maybe some language.

Yes but the groundwork is there already. That's basically the foundation of all rookie 1st down deals.

[kaimaru]

Things have certainly changed. Dead money used to be viewed as the real Satan.

Well, after the Super Bowl, Licht went to Glazers if they could employ these kinds of contracts. I am guessing he was told back when hired that they didn't want big signing bonuses due to possible dead money. I think they probably look at this is getting their moneys worth last year and this year. Will this continue? Until we suck, yes. After? Who knows.

[kaimaru]

The contracts for rookies are set through the league office. This is a bit disingenuous as the only thing the rookie and FO are negotiating is any signing bonuses if they want more up front a la Joey Boss. Maybe some language.

Yes but the groundwork is there already. That's basically the foundation of all rookie 1st down deals.

I understand how rookie contracts are structured. I'm just not seeing how voidable years contracts like Godwin are similar.

[Redrum]

Brady
Evans
Godwin
Gage
Gronk
1st round WR
2nd round RB
3rd round iOL

I think we should get a better swing tackle in the event Wirfs or Smith miss an extended period of time. I'm all for overkill on offense.

[King Bootz]

Yes but the groundwork is there already. That's basically the foundation of all rookie 1st down deals.

I understand how rookie contracts are structured. I'm just not seeing how voidable years contracts like Godwin are similar.

The voidable years obviously aren't part of the rookie contract equation. But the large signing bonuses combined with tiny base salaries make for smaller cap hits year to year on rookie deals.