Todd Bowles is a fucking fraud

[Nobody]

Correlation inversion.

Quantity of Rushes is not causal of winning football (except for the few rare teams - Ravens - where this is true).

Quantity of Rushes is a downstream, emergent phenomenon of football where you are playing with the lead. Its an outgrowth of winning…not causal.

Now efficiency in the Run Game; converting 2nd and 2/3, 3rd and 1, 3rd and G inside the 3? THAT is a big time causal factor for winning in the NFL.

[BucsNBills]

So yeah, the Arians scene seems to function pretty well when you have the goat QB that's not distracted by off the field drama throwing the ball to the goat TE, a would be HoF in AB, a strong eventual HoF candidate in Mike Evans, and an AP caliber receiver in Godwin. All while being protected by arguably the best offensive line in the league

But then again, if you have all that, what offensive scheme and philosophy WOULDN'T work?

And these issues haven't just appeared this year. This shit has been a plague since the SB season. We left so many yards and points on the field just because how little innovation this scheme brings to the tabl.

How many drives routinely would stall during a game when it's 3rd and 2 and we end up throwing a 30 yard sidelines bomb?

Or when there's miscommunication on routes because the Arians system relies on telepathic communication between receivers and the QB?

Or God forbid we sculpt our game plan to exploit the defenses weaknesses or tendencies. Nope, we do what we do regardless.

One thing that can't be overlooked is that these issues aren't new developments. I've personally been complaining about the poor offensive philosophy since 2020 even though we could still brute force results back then. I know I wasn't concerned with outcome so much as the thought process behind the decisions that were made on the field by this coaching staff. Now they're just more obvious because the outcome matches the subpar philosophy driving the offense.

You complain no matter what. Even if we were undefeated, you’d whine about something.

No, just pointing out the same stuff I have been this whole time. Just the issues I point out aren't being covered up by brute force positive outcomes.

Also, pointing out glaring issues isn't whining. It's being objective.

[Selmon Rules]

The whole running game thing just irritates me. I don't necessarily want to run the ball more but I do want to be able to run the ball. We simply can't

20 or more rushes: 3-0
19 or fewer rushes: 0-5

We need to run the ball more.

Sometimes you win because you ran the ball and sometimes you run the ball because you're winning the game....

Should not have to explain this to an adult

[King Bootz]

20 or more rushes: 3-0
19 or fewer rushes: 0-5

We need to run the ball more.

Sometimes you win because you ran the ball and sometimes you run the ball because you're winning the game....

Should not have to explain this to an adult

No one asked you to explain shit. Shouldn't have to explain to an adult that a team ranked dead last on rush attempts should probably try to run a little more.

[Max]

Sometimes you win because you ran the ball and sometimes you run the ball because you're winning the game....

Should not have to explain this to an adult

No one asked you to explain shit. Shouldn't have to explain to an adult that a team ranked dead last on rush attempts should probably try to run a little more.

[Digital_Damage]

Good times...

[Snake]

Time to get fired. 98th percentile surrender punt in the 4th quarter when you have the best QB of all time. team looks stale as fuck.

[Primeminister]

Time to get fired. 98th percentile surrender punt in the 4th quarter when you have the best QB of all time. team looks stale as fuck.

That decision still isn’t as bad as Bowles deciding not to try for the win against the Browns

[Snake]

Time to get fired. 98th percentile surrender punt in the 4th quarter when you have the best QB of all time. team looks stale as fuck.

That decision still isn’t as bad as Bowles deciding not to try for the win against the Browns

back to back weeks of cowardice and failure against two bad teams.

[Primeminister]

That decision still isn’t as bad as Bowles deciding not to try for the win against the Browns

back to back weeks of cowardice and failure against two bad teams.

Personally I believe that is a fatal coaching trait for any HC.

[Central_Buc]

A really great DC that is not cut out as a HC. Nothing wrong with that but it is what it is.

[Rocker]

A really great DC that is not cut out as a HC. Nothing wrong with that but it is what it is.

The intriguing part of it all is that the leadership skills should translate. His defenses have always been ferocious units.

Truly mysterious.

[Defense5599]

A really great DC that is not cut out as a HC. Nothing wrong with that but it is what it is.

The intriguing part of it all is that the leadership skills should translate. His defenses have always been ferocious units.

Truly mysterious.

But you see him on the sidelines and he always looks like a guy at a Sunday brunch. The team has taken on that mentality this year because of him.

[Cheb]

The intriguing part of it all is that the leadership skills should translate. His defenses have always been ferocious units.

Truly mysterious.

But you see him on the sidelines and he always looks like a guy at a Sunday brunch. The team has taken on that mentality this year because of him.

Part of me wonders if that's because he's only a head coach in name. It would not surprise me if Leftwich has total and complete offensive autonomy, and Bowles had an arrangement to not step on his toes. Maybe if he hired his own guy and was the clear superior instead of a coworker, he would cowboy up?

But in talking with Jets fans in my acquaintance, that's how he was up there during his whole tenure, so take that with a huge grain of salt.

[MJW]

But you see him on the sidelines and he always looks like a guy at a Sunday brunch. The team has taken on that mentality this year because of him.

Part of me wonders if that's because he's only a head coach in name. It would not surprise me if Leftwich has total and complete offensive autonomy, and Bowles had an arrangement to not step on his toes. Maybe if he hired his own guy and was the clear superior instead of a coworker, he would cowboy up?

But in talking with Jets fans in my acquaintance, that's how he was up there during his whole tenure, so take that with a huge grain of salt.

The entire structure is a mess. Imagine your boss "retiring" and giving you control of the office to mold and build as you see fit...

Only he's still there, sitting in on meetings, popping his head in with "suggestions," and letting the people under you know he's still around and they could still come to him.

How could you ever do the job properly?

That's not a defense of Bowles. That's just the reality. This whole group needs to be put out to pasture.

[TonyLip]

[BucsNBills]

Part of me wonders if that's because he's only a head coach in name. It would not surprise me if Leftwich has total and complete offensive autonomy, and Bowles had an arrangement to not step on his toes. Maybe if he hired his own guy and was the clear superior instead of a coworker, he would cowboy up?

But in talking with Jets fans in my acquaintance, that's how he was up there during his whole tenure, so take that with a huge grain of salt.

The entire structure is a mess. Imagine your boss "retiring" and giving you control of the office to mold and build as you see fit...

Only he's still there, sitting in on meetings, popping his head in with "suggestions," and letting the people under you know he's still around and they could still come to him.

How could you ever do the job properly?

That's not a defense of Bowles. That's just the reality. This whole group needs to be put out to pasture.

Yes, it's a full blown Nightmare Alley carnival in OBP. Licht, Bowles, and the whole coaching staff need to go. The stink of this season is going to stick around if we keep any of the garbage that helped create the stench.

Sad thing is we're just not going to be an attractive option in 2023 for any real candidates so I think we're stuck with these clowns until 2024. Which I guess is fine, they can go down with the ship and earn us Caleb Williams in the process.

[nybf]

I'd like to give him this cactus for Christmas.....

[IronDog]

@nybf

Point(s) first?

[The Outsider]

Part of me wonders if that's because he's only a head coach in name. It would not surprise me if Leftwich has total and complete offensive autonomy, and Bowles had an arrangement to not step on his toes. Maybe if he hired his own guy and was the clear superior instead of a coworker, he would cowboy up?

But in talking with Jets fans in my acquaintance, that's how he was up there during his whole tenure, so take that with a huge grain of salt.

The entire structure is a mess. Imagine your boss "retiring" and giving you control of the office to mold and build as you see fit...

Only he's still there, sitting in on meetings, popping his head in with "suggestions," and letting the people under you know he's still around and they could still come to him.

How could you ever do the job properly?

That's not a defense of Bowles. That's just the reality. This whole group needs to be put out to pasture.

That's a situation that can be executed properly but Bruce doesn't have the lack of ego to sit back and limit his involvement to giving Bowles and Leftwich (and even players) advice. He should just have no involvement in decision making pre, during, or post-game.

[Buc2]

Barring an unforeseen change of heart, the Bucs plan to retain Todd Bowles as their head coach for the 2023 season regardless of the outcome of Monday night’s wild-card playoff game against the Dallas Cowboys, the Tampa Bay Times confirmed Saturday.

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/20 ... ason-bucs/

[King Bootz]

Barring an unforeseen change of heart, the Bucs plan to retain Todd Bowles as their head coach for the 2023 season regardless of the outcome of Monday night’s wild-card playoff game against the Dallas Cowboys, the Tampa Bay Times confirmed Saturday.

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/20 ... ason-bucs/

To the surprise of no one.

[MJW]

Barring an unforeseen change of heart, the Bucs plan to retain Todd Bowles as their head coach for the 2023 season regardless of the outcome of Monday night’s wild-card playoff game against the Dallas Cowboys, the Tampa Bay Times confirmed Saturday.

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/20 ... ason-bucs/

To the surprise of no one.

At this point, we are left to hope that Leftwich gets fired and the team doesn't make more long-term deals with the devil to reach 3rd place in the division. That's all.

[King Bootz]

To the surprise of no one.

At this point, we are left to hope that Leftwich gets fired and the team doesn't make more long-term deals with the devil to reach 3rd place in the division. That's all.

Yea maybe they'll finally do what IABL tells them to do....

[_MB_]

I have no problem with Todd Bowles overseeing the rebuild years. We might even win the division again.

Let Bowles get "his guy" and play defense while Licht burns off the dead money and flips the roster in two years. Then go get super coach.

[Buc2]

I have no problem with Todd Bowles overseeing the rebuild years. We might even win the division again.

Let Bowles get "his guy" and play defense while Licht burns off the dead money and flips the roster in two years. Then go get super coach.

Or Bowles proves to be a master coach and the sign him to another 5 year contract.


Kidding!

[The Outsider]

Hire MB as offensive coordinator and mdb as Offensive Line Coach/Assistant Head Coach and this team wins 10 consecutive Super Bowles.

[_MB_]

Hire MB as offensive coordinator and mdb as Offensive Line Coach/Assistant Head Coach and this team wins 10 consecutive Super Bowles.

They'll call it the mbmdb express

[IchabodCrane84]

Hire MB as offensive coordinator and mdb as Offensive Line Coach/Assistant Head Coach and this team wins 10 consecutive Super Bowles.

They'll call it the mbmdb express

Reminds me of Taco's EBDBBnB.

[Heisenberg]

Hire MB as offensive coordinator and mdb as Offensive Line Coach/Assistant Head Coach and this team wins 10 consecutive Super Bowles.

We're gonna need a bunch more linemen

[MJW]

At this point, we are left to hope that Leftwich gets fired and the team doesn't make more long-term deals with the devil to reach 3rd place in the division. That's all.

Yea maybe they'll finally do what IABL tells them to do....

"Fire Fucking Leftwich" is hardly a niche opinion outside of IABL.

The reality that the 2023 team will be worse than the 2022 team, which was worse than the 2021 team, which was worse than the 2020, seems obvious regardless of who's saying it.

[Doctor]

Well yes. When you go on a legendary playoff run, there's really no where else to go than "worse than" without repeating.

Also, we're in the cusp of a QB transition. Again, a very predictable indicator of harder times to come.

[Selmon Rules]

Hire MB as offensive coordinator and mdb as Offensive Line Coach/Assistant Head Coach and this team wins 10 consecutive Super Bowles.

We're gonna need a bunch more Guards

FIFY

[IronDog]

We're gonna need a bunch more Guards

FIFY

Like, Security Guards?

[Doctor]

Just listen to how these players talk about Bowles. They are all in.