2025 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Offseason Thread

[Bootz]

You know what I mean. Do you have to be a fucking twat literally ALL the fucking time?

You don't even know what you mean, bud.

[Bootz]

You know what I mean. Do you have to be a fucking twat literally ALL the fucking time?

Yes. Yes he does. It's fucking exhausting.

That's rich coming from a mouth breating nut stain like you that gets banned around here monthly.

[Sooner06]

You guys have interesting and new-to-me insults.

[acmillis]

Cripple fight!!!!!!!

[__Chef__]

You can’t “nix” void years, kiddo. There’s no loan forgiveness program in NFL contracts.

I don't know jack about NFL contracts and voidable years ... Can you fill me in on this? If they restructure or sign a new contract, what happens with the voidable years deal? Is there any way to avoid the dead cap hit(s)?

[Grahamburn]

You can’t “nix” void years, kiddo. There’s no loan forgiveness program in NFL contracts.

I don't know jack about NFL contracts and voidable years ... Can you fill me in on this? If they restructure or sign a new contract, what happens with the voidable years deal? Is there any way to avoid the dead cap hit(s)?

If he signs an extension with us they can push them out to the back end of that subsequent contract, which is what I meant by “nixing” them.

It’s what they did with Godwin this year.

Eventually the bill always comes due, but you can essentially “kick the can down the road” in perpetuity as long as the player is on the roster.

[__Chef__]

I don't know jack about NFL contracts and voidable years ... Can you fill me in on this? If they restructure or sign a new contract, what happens with the voidable years deal? Is there any way to avoid the dead cap hit(s)?

If he signs an extension with us they can push them out to the back end of that subsequent contract, which is what I meant by “nixing” them.

It’s what they did with Godwin this year.

Eventually the bill always comes due, but you can essentially “kick the can down the road” in perpetuity as long as the player is on the roster.

It stinks having dead cap hits, even worse when we have multiple overlapping. As long as that can be avoided, work it out and stop with this voidable years BS.

[Bootz]

I don't know jack about NFL contracts and voidable years ... Can you fill me in on this? If they restructure or sign a new contract, what happens with the voidable years deal? Is there any way to avoid the dead cap hit(s)?

If he signs an extension with us they can push them out to the back end of that subsequent contract, which is what I meant by “nixing” them.

It’s what they did with Godwin this year.

Eventually the bill always comes due, but you can essentially “kick the can down the road” in perpetuity as long as the player is on the roster.

Wrong again, kiddo.

@__Chef__ to answer your question and help @Grahamburn finally get this right, there's no way to avoid those dead cap hits. In fact when you extend a contract that has void years, as in the case with Godwin, the charge for that void year is prorated and added to each year.

Godwin for example had an $18.9mil void year hit this year but we signed him to a 3 year deal before his previous contract expired. That $18.9mil hit has been spread out over those 3 year and tacked in to each year. So $7.5mil in essentially dead space for 2025 & 2026 and $3.9mil in 2027.

Think something similar for Baker, except if we extend him when he has another year left on his deal, his void year charges wouldn't be tacked on until the original deal expired, which would be after 2026.

[Doctor]

Eh, not entirely wrong.

It's like when you give someone money for groceries, and now they can what they originally had budgeted for groceries on drugs.

Did you support their drug habit?

[__Chef__]

Did you support their drug habit?

Yes ... never give drug heads money.

[Bootz]

Ultimate offseason post, I saw Yaya Diaby at Disney this afternoon.

[Sooner06]

So, we all agree then that Licht should extend Baker after this season, right? No chance they try to franchise him or let him play out the contract without a new deal? I mean, if he does have another good season and they don't extend him until the '26 season, the bottom line could very well be $60m/yr.

[Bootz]

So, we all agree then that Licht should extend Baker after this season, right? No chance they try to franchise him or let him play out the contract without a new deal? I mean, if he does have another good season and they don't extend him until the '26 season, the bottom line could very well be $60m/yr.

I'll answer this plainly. There might always be an exception to the rule, but franchise QBs don't play out their contracts. Teams always extend them before it gets to that point or they want to move on.

[Sooner06]

So, we all agree then that Licht should extend Baker after this season, right? No chance they try to franchise him or let him play out the contract without a new deal? I mean, if he does have another good season and they don't extend him until the '26 season, the bottom line could very well be $60m/yr.

I'll answer this plainly. There might always be an exception to the rule, but franchise QBs don't play out their contracts. Teams always extend them before it gets to that point or they want to move on.

Yeah, I figure the same. But it's Sat afternoon and I'm stuck in the house bored, so I'm just blue-skying stuff.

I was a surprised that Spotrac had Baker's valuation as high as $60M/yr though, so thought it was a good time to post the question.

[Doctor]

They're factoring in the Superbowl win

[BucsNBills]

What's the minimum production and overall impact Redick must reach in order for his acquisition to feel justified?

[Phantom]

Ask Bootz

[Sooner06]

What's the minimum production and overall impact Redick must reach in order for his acquisition to feel justified?

Eh, I'll play.


40-45 combined tackles, 10-12 TFLs, 22-25 Qb hits, 10-12 sacks, maybe even 2-4 FFs.

[Bootz]

Ask Bootz

For me, it's a 1 year deal and he'll be 31 in September. I doubt he figures into any long term plans. He has a blow up year, he likely gets his money elsewhere. He has an average or subpar year, again he's likely playing elsewhere.

[Doctor]

What's the minimum production and overall impact Redick must reach in order for his acquisition to feel justified?

Win the 1 on 1s Bowles sets him up with so that we win the game. Doubly so come winter.

[Grahamburn]

Getting ready for Metallica!

[__Chef__]

What's the minimum production and overall impact Redick must reach in order for his acquisition to feel justified?

Win the 1 on 1s Bowles sets him up with so that we win the game. Doubly so come winter.

I'm curious to see How Bowles actually utilizes him. Will he be kept fresh on the sidelines and only brought in for certain gotta have it situations? I'm sure Reddick wants as much playing time as possible to hit the numbers for a new contact, but that might be at odds for what's best for the team if he's out there and just not quite getting home.

[Cheb]

Win the 1 on 1s Bowles sets him up with so that we win the game. Doubly so come winter.

I'm curious to see How Bowles actually utilizes him. Will he be kept fresh on the sidelines and only brought in for certain gotta have it situations? I'm sure Reddick wants as much playing time as possible to hit the numbers for a new contact, but that might be at odds for what's best for the team if he's out there and just not quite getting home.

Reddick has the fifth highest cap hit on the team. I think it's safe to say that Bowles/Licht want their money's worth, and Reddick wants to earn another contract either here or elsewhere.

I would be very surprised if Reddick were strictly a third down specialist unless he regresses in a major way.

[mdb1958]

What's the minimum production and overall impact Redick must reach in order for his acquisition to feel justified?

Eh, I'll play.


40-45 combined tackles, 10-12 TFLs, 22-25 Qb hits, 10-12 sacks, maybe even 2-4 FFs.

What's maximum - that looks more like maximum.

[MJW]

What's the minimum production and overall impact Redick must reach in order for his acquisition to feel justified?

At least once a game, I expect to say, "Man, JTS wasn't good" while watching Reddick. Reflexively.

[Sooner06]

Eh, I'll play.


40-45 combined tackles, 10-12 TFLs, 22-25 Qb hits, 10-12 sacks, maybe even 2-4 FFs.

What's maximum - that looks more like maximum.

I just took something in the middle of what he's done over the last couple seasons or so. I hedged a bit on the low side with total tackles, a little higher than average with TFLs, etc. I didn't really take into account the scheme he was playing in vs. what he will be playing in with TB, or what his supporting cast will be or whatever. Just kind of tried to find the middle of "what could be."

[__Chef__]

I'm curious to see How Bowles actually utilizes him. Will he be kept fresh on the sidelines and only brought in for certain gotta have it situations? I'm sure Reddick wants as much playing time as possible to hit the numbers for a new contact, but that might be at odds for what's best for the team if he's out there and just not quite getting home.

Reddick has the fifth highest cap hit on the team. I think it's safe to say that Bowles/Licht want their money's worth, and Reddick wants to earn another contract either here or elsewhere.

I would be very surprised if Reddick were strictly a third down specialist unless he regresses in a major way.

If he had the numbers last year, I wouldn't be questioning it. That combined with his age lead me to posit the question. If Bowles can get elite performance from him in key situations, I'm sure he'd rather have that than a repeat of Reddick's performance last year.
Assuming Reddick can still win in those gotta have it moments.

[Buc2]

What's the minimum production and overall impact Redick must reach in order for his acquisition to feel justified?

At least once a game, I expect to say, "Man, JTS wasn't good" while watching Reddick. Reflexively.

I’d settle for that. As a minimum.

[Bootz]

Prime Evans or prime Chase

[BucsNBills]

Speaking of Mike, what the hell do we do about him next off-season? Think if he breaks the 1k record this year he'll call it a career? Or maybe hit year 13 to match his number?

[Snake]

Prime Evans or prime Chase

Chase imo

[Bootz]

Prime Evans or prime Chase

Chase imo

For some reason I thought that Chase had worse injury issues earlier in his career than he actually did. Looking at the numbers, holy hell, Chase has been a beast. He's tracking to be in a league of his own. He already had 46 TDs in 4 seasons.

For comparison, Evans didn't reach that many until sometime in his 6th season. Chris Godwin isn't the topic, but he hasn't even reached 40 TDs yet.

JJettas is still my favorite current LSU Tiger, but Chase has earned everything he's gotten.

[__Chef__]

Prime Evans or prime Chase

Chase imo

Chase, but only because I think Mike has been underutilized. However, spreading the ball around is better for the overall team.

IMO a better strategy would be to feature a player per game. Let one have a monster stat line that the next team has to account for when reviewing film. Then rotate in the next guy for his monster game. By the end of the season, opposing defenses know they're dealing with a problem across the board. Any weakness in their defense will be exposed.

[Cheb]

Chase imo

Chase, but only because I think Mike has been underutilized. However, spreading the ball around is better for the overall team.

IMO a better strategy would be to feature a player per game. Let one have a monster stat line that the next team has to account for when reviewing film. Then rotate in the next guy for his monster game. By the end of the season, opposing defenses know they're dealing with a problem across the board. Any weakness in their defense will be exposed.

A decent idea on paper but a difficult one practically.

- It ignores who is playing better at the moment and riding the hot hand, which I believe the British shorten to "form."
- It forces players in good form to background roles, where that form will decline.
- It assumes you have an incredibly deep stable of talent.
-It assumes you are blowing people out. If you're behind 14 points in a division game, do you still force the ball to the guy whose week it is, or do you lean on your best players to make plays?

There's a world where that strategy can work, but it isn't this one.

[Central_Buc]

Speaking of Mike, what the hell do we do about him next off-season? Think if he breaks the 1k record this year he'll call it a career? Or maybe hit year 13 to match his number?

I think he'll play but I'm having a hard time seeing how we can fit him, maybe we still can? Hopefully.