Baker Mayfield: PAID

[Grahamburn]

So an extension/raise/restructure to free up some short term cap flexibility is probably in the cards this offseason, right?

Definitely. Add some guarantees. Turn the void years in 2027 and 2028 into real years and spread the cap hits out.

[Sooner06]

He should get paid somewhere in the $45M/yr to $50M/yr when they re-sign Baker. He'd still be underpaid, but it would be a lot closer to his actual value.

[Grahamburn]

He should get paid somewhere in the $45M/yr to $50M/yr when they re-sign Baker. He'd still be underpaid, but it would be a lot closer to his actual value.

They’ve opened another window.

Going to want to make sure they can keep Godwin and add impact from outside the organization now.

Also need contracts for Goedeke/McCollum and to a lesser extent Otton.

[Sooner06]

He should get paid somewhere in the $45M/yr to $50M/yr when they re-sign Baker. He'd still be underpaid, but it would be a lot closer to his actual value.

They’ve opened another window.

Going to want to make sure they can keep Godwin and add impact from outside the organization now.

Also need contracts for Goedeke/McCollum and to a lesser extent Otton.

I get it. I'm just saying, Baker's earned a $50M/yr contract. Or, to be more precise, if he has another great season, in-line with the two he just posted, he will have earned that $50M/yr, imo. 4-5 years, $45-50M/yr AAV. Licht can manipulate the cap via whatever mans he likes (I know he's not probably going to do a signing bonus) to bring down the cap hits, but that's what I believe Baker will command by the end of next season, assuming he doesn't get hurt.

[Sooner06]

They’ve opened another window.

Going to want to make sure they can keep Godwin and add impact from outside the organization now.

Also need contracts for Goedeke/McCollum and to a lesser extent Otton.

I get it. I'm just saying, Baker's earned a $50M/yr contract. Or, to be more precise, if he has another great season in 2025, in-line with the two he just posted, he will have earned that $50M/yr, imo. 4-5 years, $45-50M/yr AAV. Licht can manipulate the cap via whatever mans he likes (I know he's not probably going to do a signing bonus) to bring down the cap hits, but that's what I believe Baker will command by the end of next season, assuming he doesn't get hurt.

[Grahamburn]

They’ve opened another window.

Going to want to make sure they can keep Godwin and add impact from outside the organization now.

Also need contracts for Goedeke/McCollum and to a lesser extent Otton.

I get it. I'm just saying, Baker's earned a $50M/yr contract. Or, to be more precise, if he has another great season, in-line with the two he just posted, he will have earned that $50M/yr, imo. 4-5 years, $45-50M/yr AAV. Licht can manipulate the cap via whatever mans he likes (I know he's not probably going to do a signing bonus) to bring down the cap hits, but that's what I believe Baker will command by the end of next season, assuming he doesn't get hurt.

I agree with you. I’d expect they rework his deal after this season to give him more security while offering the flexibility to add more pieces. .

[Doctor]

This offseason? That'd be a little surprising.

[Four Verticals]

So an extension/raise/restructure to free up some short term cap flexibility is probably in the cards this offseason, right?

Definitely. Add some guarantees. Turn the void years in 2027 and 2028 into real years and spread the cap hits out.

I'm not sure void years can be "fixed" in this way or at all.

[Bootz]

Definitely. Add some guarantees. Turn the void years in 2027 and 2028 into real years and spread the cap hits out.

I'm not sure void years can be "fixed" in this way or at all.

They can't. You can extend the deal beyong the void years, but it's next to impossible to spread void years out without adding more to your salary cap. Those charges don't disappear. Thats the slippery slope with using void years and to be honest we use them way too much.

[Babeinbucland]

Do coaches salaries count against the cap?

[Phantom]

Do coaches salaries count against the cap?

no, it doesn't count.

[Grahamburn]

Definitely. Add some guarantees. Turn the void years in 2027 and 2028 into real years and spread the cap hits out.

I'm not sure void years can be "fixed" in this way or at all.

“Void years are contract years on which the player will never play. They are placeholders for prorated signing bonus money, which can be assigned when the void years are created or created through a later contract restructure.

Since a bonus can be prorated over a maximum of five seasons, the highest number of void years that can be added to a contract is five minus the number of years left on the contract the player is currently on.

Once a player reaches the void years portion of their contract and they are not re-signed to a new contract for that team, all the bonus money prorated onto the void years is accelerated to that year for cap purposes."

I simplified it, but if there’s a restructure or extension you can spread it out. As long as the salary cap continues its upward trend it really isn’t a big deal. Mayfield’s void years are small $$.

Jalen Hurts on the other hand has one for $97M in 2029.

If we used them like that I’d be much more concerned.

[Bootz]

I'm not sure void years can be "fixed" in this way or at all.

“Void years are contract years on which the player will never play. They are placeholders for prorated signing bonus money, which can be assigned when the void years are created or created through a later contract restructure.

Since a bonus can be prorated over a maximum of five seasons, the highest number of void years that can be added to a contract is five minus the number of years left on the contract the player is currently on.

Once a player reaches the void years portion of their contract and they are not re-signed to a new contract for that team, all the bonus money prorated onto the void years is accelerated to that year for cap purposes."

I simplified it, but if there’s a restructure or extension you can spread it out. As long as the salary cap continues its upward trend it really isn’t a big deal. Mayfield’s void years are small $$.

Jalen Hurts on the other hand has one for $97M in 2029.

If we used them like that I’d be much more concerned.

The problem is we do use them in that manner. Not in terms of amount but our frequency is pretty bad. This offseason will be the 4th straight we are top 5 in terms of dead cap space because of void years. I'm not saying we'll become them but this is how it started for the Saints.

[acmillis]

Baker can't sign this offseason, correct. I thought there was some rules for all NFL deals where, once you sign a contract, you cannot sign another until at least 2 years later, right?

[Bootz]

Baker can't sign this offseason, correct. I thought there was some rules for all NFL deals where, once you sign a contract, you cannot sign another until at least 2 years later, right?

Never heard that one.

[Cheb]

Baker can't sign this offseason, correct. I thought there was some rules for all NFL deals where, once you sign a contract, you cannot sign another until at least 2 years later, right?

That would be rough news for guys on one year deals.

[Grahamburn]

Baker can't sign this offseason, correct. I thought there was some rules for all NFL deals where, once you sign a contract, you cannot sign another until at least 2 years later, right?

In your dreams, pal.

[acmillis]

Baker can't sign this offseason, correct. I thought there was some rules for all NFL deals where, once you sign a contract, you cannot sign another until at least 2 years later, right?

That would be rough news for guys on one year deals.

HAHAHA. I'm dying.

I thought there was something like that, no? That's why Jordan Love couldn't sign a new deal prior to last offseason?



https://twitter.com/KenIngalls/status/1728253 ... 52/photo/1

Sorry, one year, not two.

[Bootz]

Baker can't sign this offseason, correct. I thought there was some rules for all NFL deals where, once you sign a contract, you cannot sign another until at least 2 years later, right?

That would be rough news for guys on one year deals.

The way I laughed at this should be outlawed

[Sooner06]

This offseason? That'd be a little surprising.

No, not this offseason, next offseason, when his guaranteed $$$ runs out.

[Grahamburn]

This offseason? That'd be a little surprising.

No, not this offseason, next offseason, when his guaranteed $$$ runs out.

I’m sure they can make it work other ways. But if they want to sign Godwin and dip into free agency to open up this window they may want to extend in the off-season.

I think he’s proven himself with authority.

[Sooner06]

No, not this offseason, next offseason, when his guaranteed $$$ runs out.

I’m sure they can make it work other ways. But if they want to sign Godwin and dip into free agency to open up this window they may want to extend in the off-season.

I think he’s proven himself with authority.

This offseason? Didn't think of that. Don't remember a contract ever being renegotiated after just one year. But if they can make that work so we can keep Godwin, I'm all for it, of course.

[Doctor]

His contract is already looks like someone who restructure to help the team for next year and is set up to renegotiate/extend on year 3. I doubt we fiddle with it this offseason.

To that point, gd Licht is good.

[Grahamburn]

His contract is already looks like someone who restructure to help the team for next year and is set up to renegotiate/extend on year 3. I doubt we fiddle with it this offseason.

To that point, gd Licht is good.

It was the perfect “reward for what you did, now do it again” contract. Which, he has.

Once you know you’ve got your guy, and we’ve got our guy, you always pay them sooner rather than later, and you can open up the window for the now (next two years) while we still have this core.

At least that’s my thinking.

Gotta pay Godwin. Goedeke, McCollum, and Otton need extensions. We need some help in free agency that’s more than a band-aid one year deal or two.

They don’t have to after this season, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they did to get those $35M and $45M cap hits lower for ‘25 and ‘26.

[Grahamburn]

Yeah. That’s the other thing not really mentioned enough. We’ve got a top 10 QB without investing any draft capital whatsoever. He only costs money.

Use your entire draft to add talent at other positions.

You're delusional if you think that's true.

Lot of “jokes” in here from you.

Not top 10? Let’s see the updated list.

[Grahamburn]

Yeah I don’t think Bowles is going anywhere voluntarily.

If that first game is any indication Coen might be though. Unfortunately.

Damn. Knew it after week one.

[CannonFire]

You're delusional if you think that's true.

Lot of “jokes” in here from you.

Not top 10? Let’s see the updated list.

That's not a joke. He's not a top 10 qb. You thinking he is makes you a joke.

[Buc2]

Lot of “jokes” in here from you.

Not top 10? Let’s see the updated list.

That's not a joke. He's not a top 10 qb. You thinking he is makes you a joke.

Over his career to date I can agree that he's not a top 10 QB (yet). Since he's been in a Bucs uniform, I don't believe mentioning him being a top 10 QB is out of the realm of believability.

[Jonny]

That's not a joke. He's not a top 10 qb. You thinking he is makes you a joke.

Over his career to date I can agree that he's not a top 10 QB (yet). Since he's been in a Bucs uniform, I don't believe mentioning him being a top 10 QB is out of the realm of believability.

I'd argue he was the 5th best QB last season and I would like to hear a compelling case for who was better than Mayfield, deserving of the 5th spot. A lot are ready to anoint JDaniels for good reasons. Kid is clutch as hell and a true precision passer with tons of patience like Brady does. But he was getting in the groove during the regular season which is why his stats were okay, great for a rookie, but okay for a QB. Stroud struggled, Herbert was ultra conservative and honestly there is no one else worth even mentioning.

[Babeinbucland]

I think Mahomes is worth mentioning lol

[Buc2]

I think Mahomes is worth mentioning lol

Yes. But he gets mentioned higher than the 5th spot which is the spot Jonny is talking about here.

[Grahamburn]

Lot of “jokes” in here from you.

Not top 10? Let’s see the updated list.

That's not a joke. He's not a top 10 qb. You thinking he is makes you a joke.

Let's see the new list!

[Lordnlkon]

That's not a joke. He's not a top 10 qb. You thinking he is makes you a joke.

Let's see the new list!

Cannon continues to be delusional. Baker had a top 3 season last year, that’s doesn’t make him a top 5 QB. But thinking he is out of the top 10 is silly. If he can put together another season like last year, this year. That at least moves him into the conversation of top 5. The whole he can’t carry a team by himself argument is stupid. There’s literally 1 QB in the league that has proven he can do that. That list starts and ends with Mahomes. Even Allen hasn’t done it.

[Buc2]

That's not a joke. He's not a top 10 qb. You thinking he is makes you a joke.

Let's see the new list!

Per ChatGPT, he is.
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[__Chef__]

Let's see the new list!

Cannon continues to be delusional. Baker had a top 3 season last year, that’s doesn’t make him a top 5 QB. But thinking he is out of the top 10 is silly. If he can put together another season like last year, this year. That at least moves him into the conversation of top 5. The whole he can’t carry a team by himself argument is stupid. There’s literally 1 QB in the league that has proven he can do that. That list starts and ends with Mahomes. Even Allen hasn’t done it.

I'm not even sure I'd put Mahomes in that category. The only time I've seen a team win the SB and I look at their roster and say who are these guys? How did they win with literal "whos" all across the roster, was HoF Tom Brady with HoF Belichick.