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Bootz wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 6:23 pm 28 days out?? What's the point? This is just doing shut just for the sake of doing shit.
I was thinking the same thing. 4 weeks notice? That's just stupid. Lots can change over 4 weeks in a 17 game schedule.
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Buc2 wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 1:21 pm
Bootz wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 6:23 pm 28 days out?? What's the point? This is just doing shut just for the sake of doing shit.
I was thinking the same thing. 4 weeks notice? That's just stupid. Lots can change over 4 weeks in a 17 game schedule.
They'll flex a week 14 game in week 9 and one of those teams will lose 3 straight and have a lot of key injuries along the way. It's inevitable.
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Bootz wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 1:59 pm
Buc2 wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 1:21 pm

I was thinking the same thing. 4 weeks notice? That's just stupid. Lots can change over 4 weeks in a 17 game schedule.
They'll flex a week 14 game in week 9 and one of those teams will lose 3 straight and have a lot of key injuries along the way. It's inevitable.
Here's a pretty good article that brings up a lot of the issues these flex schedules can and do cause.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl- ... 20out%20of.

Oh, and their flex scheduling can now include MNF games and Sunday afternoon games (moving from 1 PM to 4 PM).
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Next the NFL will flex games played in Europe. On a few days' notice the Bucs and their opponent will be instructed to travel to Germany to play the game instead of teams originally scheduled to play there.
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I found this very interesting.



Kinda explains a lot for all 4 in reference to why they haven't taken that next step.
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I wonder what would be the most turnovers in 1 score losses.
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GreatTimes wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 10:56 am I wonder what would be the most turnovers in 1 score losses.
More interesting is most turnovers in a win. In the super bowl era, it's the Packers in 1967 with 8!

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/game/9-24- ... -@-gb-4010

More modern is the Titans with 7 in 2000

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/game/11-19 ... -ten-11381
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Wow Deandre Hopkins a free man. Let the bidding begin. Gotta think KC the favorite. They need a WR to replace Smith-Schuster and he could play for Mahomes.

Also trying to figure out how he wasn’t traded.
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Pretty crazy that they released him. Says a lot about him as a player and a teammate.
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They wanted him gone so badly, they didn't even wait until June 1 to do so. Ate the entire $22.6mil dead cap hit.

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Bootz wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 1:44 pm They wanted him gone so badly, they didn't even wait until June 1 to do so. Ate the entire $22.6mil dead cap hit.

Tell me you're rebuilding without telling me you're rebuilding.
Maybe they want to eat his whole cap hit this year instead of spreading it over the next two seasons? I don't know though, I'm no capologist.
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Cheb wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 9:07 pm
Bootz wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 1:44 pm They wanted him gone so badly, they didn't even wait until June 1 to do so. Ate the entire $22.6mil dead cap hit.

Tell me you're rebuilding without telling me you're rebuilding.
Maybe they want to eat his whole cap hit this year instead of spreading it over the next two seasons? I don't know though, I'm no capologist.
Possibly. Be done for good after 2023.
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Says something about him that one franchise gave him away for basically nothing and another now gives him away for literally nothing.
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Well we know BOB was trying to get fired...

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They absolutely wanted to eat the dead cap this year, In What will likely be running for the number 1 pick anyways.

I wonder if they decide to rest Kyler the whole year to keep his stock higher for a potential trade if they end up in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes? Keep in mind the current GM/coach did not sign him to that extension. If they DO decide to trade him, I can absolutely see Licht going after Kyler if we’re picking say 5-10 and out of the top QB range. I don’t think it’ll take a first either given his cap numbers.

I do like the Paris Johnson pick this year for them, no matter who is the QBOTF. They could every well have the 1-2 picks next year (Houston’s 1st) and go Williams/Marvin Harrison Jr. Or if they decide to roll with Kyler they can get a larger Haul than the Bears got.
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I'm not a Kyler fan. With that said, depending on how much the cards eat off that deal, I'll take a Canales rework project of Murray at the $25M rate. But you usually don't want to be banking on future maturity.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/05/28/las-v ... clause-cut
This past week, The Athletic reported that Raiders quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo underwent surgery on his injured left foot after signing with the team in March. It appears as though the team knew about the foot issue before agreeing to sign the quarterback and addressed the situation in his contract.

The clause regarding the injury was necessary because Garoppolo did not pass his physical exam. Additionally, by signing the contract, Garoppolo agreed that he understands he is at a higher risk of increased injury to his left foot.

The clause means that he waives any responsibility the team or league would have relating to issues over his foot injury. The Raiders also have the ability to cut Garoppolo outright “for any reason related to the Waiver and Release attached as Addendum G,” according to Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio.

However, if Garoppolo is on the team’s roster two days after the team’s final game of the 2023 season, the clause becomes null and void.

Garoppolo’s injury is the same one that ended his 2022 season for the 49ers, as he broke his left foot against the Dolphins in Week 13.
“The #Raiders converted all 11.25M of Garropolo’s signing bonus to a 23M guaranteed 2023 salary post failed physical

The team can cut Garoppolo with no losses till he
- passes a physical
- plays at least 1 game
- doesn’t suffer any injury to his left foot during the 2023 season.”
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This makes the Raiders look foolish in signing him as their Plan A in the 1st place.
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Snake wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 6:53 pm

“The #Raiders converted all 11.25M of Garropolo’s signing bonus to a 23M guaranteed 2023 salary post failed physical

The team can cut Garoppolo with no losses till he
- passes a physical
- plays at least 1 game
- doesn’t suffer any injury to his left foot during the 2023 season.
Such a wild clause. Dude could stub his toe walking into a Del Taco and lose 23 million fucking dollars. Huh What?
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The Bucs probably aren't going to be that great but there's no way they're out-tanking the Cards. Holy shit did they ever mess up good. This might be a worse situation than Schiano/Freeman because I am not 100% convinced Murray has the maturity necessary for the next step and Kingsbury (although he's gone) was not that great either


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wiThe Bucs probably aren't going to be that great but there's no way they're out-tanking the Cards. Holy shit did they ever mess up good. This might be a worse situation than Schiano/Freeman because I am not 100% convinced Murray has the maturity necessary for the next step and Kingsbury (although he's gone) was not that great either

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They have rightly figured out they're not going to be a contender either way, so they're clearing cap space, acquiring picks, etc. It's smart.
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If they aren't going to be a contender, or are just outright tanking, why not trade Murray as well? It'll be a fun experiment to see if they're able to turn it around quicker than the Bucs with this strategy as we seem to be going at it with a different approach.
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Grahamburn wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 3:48 pm If they aren't going to be a contender, or are just outright tanking, why not trade Murray as well? It'll be a fun experiment to see if they're able to turn it around quicker than the Bucs with this strategy as we seem to be going at it with a different approach.
If by "turn it around" you mean "legitimately be a threat to win the Conference," we're a year behind them because we're still pretending this season matters and they know better. We'll be doing what they're doing now in a year.
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I would just love to hear what bs hindsight one would use to deem who was a "legit contender" any given year and who wasn't. Is it as simple as who made it to the Conference Championship? Bills haven't made it to one the last two years, they've just been pretenders this whole time? Vikings? 9ers?
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By the logic used by @MJW for the past 15 years, ultimately the "real" contender is only the team who wins the SB each year. Why should the Vikings season be considered any more of a failure than the Eagles? Both teams failed to get a Lombardi. That's how twisted her logic has been all these years. She pretends a team should know they'll suck BEFORE they actually do.
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MJW wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 6:15 pm
Grahamburn wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 3:48 pm If they aren't going to be a contender, or are just outright tanking, why not trade Murray as well? It'll be a fun experiment to see if they're able to turn it around quicker than the Bucs with this strategy as we seem to be going at it with a different approach.
If by "turn it around" you mean "legitimately be a threat to win the Conference," we're a year behind them because we're still pretending this season matters and they know better. We'll be doing what they're doing now in a year.
What do you mean by "doing what they're doing?" Tampa has released their high dollar under-performing players. They didn't spend big in free agency. They're doing the same things and they don't have a $35M QB cramping their style, which I'm answering my own question looking at his cap numbers. Ouch. $81M dead cap hit in 2024. Not remotely tradeable this year or next.

The Bucs weren't able to trade their 1st for additional draft capital, but the 19th pick doesn't really have the same value as the 3rd overall, and honestly I think the Cardinals made a terrible mistake passing on Will Anderson.
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Bootz wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 6:42 pm By the logic used by @MJW for the past 15 years, ultimately the "real" contender is only the team who wins the SB each year. Why should the Vikings season be considered any more of a failure than the Eagles? Both teams failed to get a Lombardi. That's how twisted her logic has been all these years. She pretends a team should know they'll suck BEFORE they actually do.
Worse still the team shouldn't actually try to get better by developing its players, building chemistry in a scheme, or re-inventing themselves. No, the only way to get better is new blood: cut your good players so you don't have to pay them, clear up cap space to pay other peoples players, and most importantly try to get the highest pick possible "by any means". Because that's how you fix a team.
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Doctor wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 10:31 am
Bootz wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 6:42 pm By the logic used by @MJW for the past 15 years, ultimately the "real" contender is only the team who wins the SB each year. Why should the Vikings season be considered any more of a failure than the Eagles? Both teams failed to get a Lombardi. That's how twisted her logic has been all these years. She pretends a team should know they'll suck BEFORE they actually do.
Worse still the team shouldn't actually try to get better by developing its players, building chemistry in a scheme, or re-inventing themselves. No, the only way to get better is new blood: cut your good players so you don't have to pay them, clear up cap space to pay other peoples players, and most importantly try to get the highest pick possible "by any means". Because that's how you fix a team.
Yea it worked so well for the Patriots...No wait, I mean the Chiefs. Worked well for them...No? The Rams maybe? Bucs? Hmmmm..
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Grahamburn wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:52 pm
MJW wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 6:15 pm

If by "turn it around" you mean "legitimately be a threat to win the Conference," we're a year behind them because we're still pretending this season matters and they know better. We'll be doing what they're doing now in a year.
What do you mean by "doing what they're doing?" Tampa has released their high dollar under-performing players. They didn't spend big in free agency. They're doing the same things and they don't have a $35M QB cramping their style, which I'm answering my own question looking at his cap numbers. Ouch. $81M dead cap hit in 2024. Not remotely tradeable this year or next.

The Bucs weren't able to trade their 1st for additional draft capital, but the 19th pick doesn't really have the same value as the 3rd overall, and honestly I think the Cardinals made a terrible mistake passing on Will Anderson.
They've done the only thing they can do, except they should have fired the coach and given the QB reps to someone with actual upside. People are acting like OBP chose not to spend a bunch of money this offseason.
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Doctor wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 10:31 am
Bootz wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 6:42 pm By the logic used by @MJW for the past 15 years, ultimately the "real" contender is only the team who wins the SB each year. Why should the Vikings season be considered any more of a failure than the Eagles? Both teams failed to get a Lombardi. That's how twisted her logic has been all these years. She pretends a team should know they'll suck BEFORE they actually do.
Worse still the team shouldn't actually try to get better by developing its players, building chemistry in a scheme, or re-inventing themselves.
Which do you think better describes the 2023 Buccaneers?

"We're developing players, building chemistry, and re-inventing ourselves!"

Or

"We're trying to eek out a few wins to save a doomed regime, wasting a season in the process?"
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Bootz wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 6:42 pm By the logic used by @MJW for the past 15 years, ultimately the "real" contender is only the team who wins the SB each year. Why should the Vikings season be considered any more of a failure than the Eagles? Both teams failed to get a Lombardi. That's how twisted her logic has been all these years. She pretends a team should know they'll suck BEFORE they actually do.
Yeah...I think the vast majority of teams have a pretty good idea if they're legit contenders for a ring or not. Once a generation a team might shock everyone - at most. But the other thousand times, the teams that look like they have no ability to win a title look that way because they don't. Of course, this involves critical thinking, not absurd blanket statemetns.
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Snake wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 8:51 pm Based Slater!

Honestly at this point, just do away with the middleman. Be done with kickoffs. That's what they want to do anyway. Offense gets the ball on the 25. And instead of the Onside Kick, just do that "One Play, 4th and 15" thing that's been discussed for years. It'd be 10x more exciting than onside kicks anyway.
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