The Official 2023 NFL Off-Season Thread

[Grahamburn]

What does Trevor Lawrence is HIM, mean?

I believe it means that he is dat dood

Trevor Lawrence is not the QB in the clip.

[Buc2]

I believe it means that he is dat dood

Trevor Lawrence is not the QB in the clip.

But, other than that minor detail, TL is HIM!

[Snake]

We have no reason to believe Jordan Love will amount to anything. Time will tell.

To follow up on this, I’m really not seeing it with Jordan Love. I’d be very surprised if he’s still the guy in GB in 24 months.

[Snake]

[JackBootedThug]

We have no reason to believe Jordan Love will amount to anything. Time will tell.

To follow up on this, I’m really not seeing it with Jordan Love. I’d be very surprised if he’s still the guy in GB in 24 months.

What did he go for? 7-10 and a TD? Not a bad performance for preseason (just looking at stat line).

[mdb1958]

Trevor Lawrence is not the QB in the clip.

But, other than that minor detail, TL is HIM!

At first I thought TL's wife with would control his NFL experience in a shortened way but now I think she has tasted that money and he has more time..

[Buc2]

Saw this meme, lol, so I figured I'd share.

[Phantom]

Ron Rivera named Sam Howell as Commanders’ starting QB for Week 1 vs the Arizona Cardinals.

[Snake]

Ron Rivera named Sam Howell as Commanders’ starting QB for Week 1 vs the Arizona Cardinals.

Jesus

[Buc2]

Ron Rivera named Sam Howell as Commanders’ starting QB for Week 1 vs the Arizona Cardinals.

Never heard of him.

[kaimaru]

Never heard of him.

Ron Rivera coached the Panthers for years. How can you not know him?

[MJW]

Jesus

I'd rather have him than Mayfield. They're both going to be bad this year. One of them is still very young. And very inexpensive. And has upside.

We should have given the ball to our "Sam Howell" in Trask, but our future is being controlled by people who are focused on saving their jobs. And winning an extra game or two with Mayfield slightly increases their odds of doing that.

I wonder if Rivera would be doing the same thing, but nobody wanted to make a QB swing with an unsteady ownership situation. Or maybe Rivera cares more about evaluating and growing young talent for the future of his franchise more than his immediate future. One might even suggest such a mentality is why one guy coached a team to the Superbowl and the other one couldn't win a home playoff game with Tom Brady. Dunno.

[Nobody]

Jesus

I'd rather have him than Mayfield. They're both going to be bad this year. One of them is still very young. And very inexpensive. And has upside.

Jesus?

Still very young? My man is over 2000 years old.

Very inexpensive? Tell that to Pontius Pilate and The Ottoman Empire.

Has upside? Where do you go after you walk on water and come back from the dead? All downhill.

[Sdbucs]

Jesus

I'd rather have him than Mayfield. They're both going to be bad this year. One of them is still very young. And very inexpensive. And has upside.

We should have given the ball to our "Sam Howell" in Trask, but our future is being controlled by people who are focused on saving their jobs. And winning an extra game or two with Mayfield slightly increases their odds of doing that.

I wonder if Rivera would be doing the same thing, but nobody wanted to make a QB swing with an unsteady ownership situation. Or maybe Rivera cares more about evaluating and growing young talent for the future of his franchise more than his immediate future. One might even suggest such a mentality is why one guy coached a team to the Superbowl and the other one couldn't win a home playoff game with Tom Brady. Dunno.

Great post

[These Are The Days]

Pfft I heard he can't even help with hitting a curveball

[Snake]

Showing a ton of situational awareness too.

[Grahamburn]

We’re highlighting incompletions now?

[Snake]

We’re highlighting incompletions now?

If I’m looking at a single play, I’m watching for traits over production.

[Cheb]

Showing a ton of situational awareness too.

His offensive line is going to do him no favors this season.

[Doctor]

He doesn't need an OL. He's a #1 pick and will lead the Panthers to multiple Super Bowls.

[Central_Buc]

I really think some are underestimating Baker. This is his last shot and he knows it. But also if he plays above expectations he is still young enough to carry us the rest of the decade.

[Snake]

He doesn't need an OL. He's a #1 pick and will lead the Panthers to multiple Super Bowls.

Would you rather have Bryce Young the next ten years, or Trasilisk?

[_MB_]

Not my favorite band, but Mr Brightside is a bona fide party anthem and it's nice to have a rock band potentially booking the super bowl halftime show for the first time in years.

[MJW]

I really think some are underestimating Baker. This is his last shot and he knows it. But also if he plays above expectations he is still young enough to carry us the rest of the decade.

Please stop.

He's been in the league almost as long as Patrick Mahomes. He is what he is. He could probably develop *slightly* more into a better version of what he is. But he's a bust as the #1 pick. He's been dumped by 3 teams in a little over a year. The absolute pinnacle of his career was a season that would be mediocre for Kirk Cousins or Derek Carr, who are themselves meh players.

We have plenty of film and moments with Mayfield at this point to evaluate him accurately. Not doing so is a choice to embrace imagination over information. And I get it. I'm a draft nerd. I'm not going to pretend his draft status or the earlier appraisals of his potential aren't appealing. But dude...there are dudes in the NFL right now who were in middle school the last time Baker was in college.

We know what he is.

[Bootz]

I really think some are underestimating Baker. This is his last shot and he knows it. But also if he plays above expectations he is still young enough to carry us the rest of the decade.

Please stop.

He's been in the league almost as long as Patrick Mahomes. He is what he is. He could probably develop *slightly* more into a better version of what he is. But he's a bust as the #1 pick. He's been dumped by 3 teams in a little over a year. The absolute pinnacle of his career was a season that would be mediocre for Kirk Cousins or Derek Carr, who are themselves meh players.

We have plenty of film and moments with Mayfield at this point to evaluate him accurately. Not doing so is a choice to embrace imagination over information. And I get it. I'm a draft nerd. I'm not going to pretend his draft status or the earlier appraisals of his potential aren't appealing. But dude...there are dudes in the NFL right now who were in middle school the last time Baker was in college.

We know what he is.

Do you one better. He's in the same draft class as Lamar Jackson, a former leage MVP & All-Pro, and Josh Allen, an All-Pro himself. What they've accomplished should be the bar for a former #1 overall pick. And you know what you have with both of them. The light ain't coming on all of a sudden with his 4th team in 6 seasons.

[MJW]

Please stop.

He's been in the league almost as long as Patrick Mahomes. He is what he is. He could probably develop *slightly* more into a better version of what he is. But he's a bust as the #1 pick. He's been dumped by 3 teams in a little over a year. The absolute pinnacle of his career was a season that would be mediocre for Kirk Cousins or Derek Carr, who are themselves meh players.

We have plenty of film and moments with Mayfield at this point to evaluate him accurately. Not doing so is a choice to embrace imagination over information. And I get it. I'm a draft nerd. I'm not going to pretend his draft status or the earlier appraisals of his potential aren't appealing. But dude...there are dudes in the NFL right now who were in middle school the last time Baker was in college.

We know what he is.

Do you one better. He's in the same draft class as Lamar Jackson, a former leage MVP & All-Pro, and Josh Allen, an All-Pro himself. What they've accomplished should be the bar for a former #1 overall pick. And you know what you have with both of them. The light ain't coming on all of a sudden with his 4th team in 6 seasons.

Fair enough! Yeah, dude, I dunno. I'm guilty of draft bias sometimes. I think most draft nerds are. But we've clearly reached a point with Mayfield where every argument relies on his draft status, his perceived talent in college (back when Obama was President), and ten minutes where he played roughly as well as a poor man's Ryan Tannehill but it was such a great story that we're pretending he flashed brilliance.


The bottom line is this - if Baker Mayfield had been the exact same player, but he'd gone undrafted for whatever reason, he'd be viewed roughly the way guys like Gardner Minshew and Jacoby Brissett are. He's an amazing backup and you love to have him for that. If he's your starter by design, your mock draft for next year will feature a quarterback in the first round.

[Central_Buc]

I really think some are underestimating Baker. This is his last shot and he knows it. But also if he plays above expectations he is still young enough to carry us the rest of the decade.

Please stop.

Do I like the idea of drafting high enough to take Williams or Maye next year? Sure.

But I'm not going to stand here at this time, actively rooting against either Baker or Trask to have a bad season (or for Baker not to find success here).

If they start 0-4 or 0-5 and Baker looks like **** then ok..I'll change my stance and be on the Caleb wagon.

[Doctor]

Good start by Trask. No help from the run game and one drop.

[Doctor]

MJW just called Baker an nfl mud blood.

[Central_Buc]

Isn't Baker the first QB since Bernie Kosar to lead the Browns past the wild card round. Only to be thrown to the curb the following year.

Edit: Forgot about Testeverde in 94.

If we label "he is what he is" he is definitely someone that accomplished what no QB has been able to accomplish for that organization in almost 30 years. Or one could look at it and say he's the 1st QB in new Browns history, the old Browns being in Baltimore.

[acmillis]

Isn't Baker the first QB since Bernie Kosar to lead the Browns past the wild card round. Only to be thrown to the curb the following year.

Edit: Forgot about Testeverde in 94.

If we label "he is what he is" he is definitely someone that accomplished what no QB has been able to accomplish for that organization in almost 30 years. Or one could look at it and say he's the 1st QB in new Browns history, the old Browns being in Baltimore.

That says nothing about Baker, and everything about Cleveland as a franchise.

That’s like saying, “did you know that Winston is the all time leading passer for Tampa, accomplishing what no other qb accomplished in Nearly 50 years?!?”

BARF

[mdb1958]

Will the Bears keep PJ Walker or Tyson Bagent?

[Central_Buc]

Isn't Baker the first QB since Bernie Kosar to lead the Browns past the wild card round. Only to be thrown to the curb the following year.

Edit: Forgot about Testeverde in 94.

If we label "he is what he is" he is definitely someone that accomplished what no QB has been able to accomplish for that organization in almost 30 years. Or one could look at it and say he's the 1st QB in new Browns history, the old Browns being in Baltimore.

That says nothing about Baker, and everything about Cleveland as a franchise.

That’s like saying, “did you know that Winston is the all time leading passer for Tampa, accomplishing what no other qb accomplished in Nearly 50 years?!?”

BARF

Fair enough. Guess I'm just not as pessimistic about this year as some are.

[mdb1958]

That says nothing about Baker, and everything about Cleveland as a franchise.

That’s like saying, “did you know that Winston is the all time leading passer for Tampa, accomplishing what no other qb accomplished in Nearly 50 years?!?”

BARF

Fair enough. Guess I'm just not as pessimistic about this year as some are.

So far the main thing that has all our receivers looking good is accuracy and now it will just have to produce when meshed with our front liners.

[TonyLip]

Watching the Balt. v Wash preseason game and the refs are not calling penalties just yet.

Josh Johnson looking good for the Ravens opening series