The Official 2023 NFL Off-Season Thread

[JackBootedThug]

..."The Buccaneers have traded their 2nd round pick to the Arizona Cardinals for Kyler Murray..."

No thanks. Let him have a go in MLB.

[Cheb]

I'm seeing rumors that the Cardinals don't believe Kylar will play this year and Dobbs will start. They are easily the worst team in the league.

If Caleb Williams maintains his status as #1 draft pick and the Cardinals go 2-15 and draft #1, that’s a situation right there.

Not really. In such a case, one of two things happen:

A) the Cardinals draft Caleb Williams and send Murray elsewhere
B) the Cards do what the Bears just did and get a king's ransom to trade out of the top pick.

They'd win either way, imo.

[Snake]

If Caleb Williams maintains his status as #1 draft pick and the Cardinals go 2-15 and draft #1, that’s a situation right there.

Not really. In such a case, one of two things happen:

A) the Cardinals draft Caleb Williams and send Murray elsewhere
B) the Cards do what the Bears just did and get a king's ransom to trade out of the top pick.

They'd win either way, imo.

The deciding to keep Kyler or trade him is the situation. Obviously, they don’t give a shit about the dead money.

But Kyler is a really talented player despite the reports and the bullshit. as we know, he’s not had a good coach in his career as a professional.

Caleb Williams is freaky talented too. But so is Kyler. Top tier athlete in the NFL. Fantastic arm talent. Kyler would instantly be the second best quarterback in the history of the Buccaneers, for example.

[Grahamburn]

I don’t want kyler murray anywhere near this team.

[Snake]

I don’t want kyler murray anywhere near this team.

Yeah, I personally prefer Baker Mayfield and the quarterbacks who Jason Licht has drafted in Tampa.

[Phantom]

Uh oh

Caleb Williams may not enter the 2024 draft if doesn’t have a chance to land up at a ‘desirable’ team.

Full story: bit.ly/3PaCUGN

https://firstsportz.com/nfl-news-caleb- ... tid=Zxz2cZ

[Grahamburn]

Lol. You hate to see it.

[Grahamburn]

I don’t want kyler murray anywhere near this team.

Yeah, I personally prefer Baker Mayfield and the quarterbacks who Jason Licht has drafted in Tampa.

Me too. Much prefer getting mediocre QB play for $4M instead of $40M.

[Central_Buc]

Uh oh

Caleb Williams may not enter the 2024 draft if doesn’t have a chance to land up at a ‘desirable’ team.

Full story: bit.ly/3PaCUGN

https://firstsportz.com/nfl-news-caleb- ... tid=Zxz2cZ

Why wouldn't he want to play here though? I could see him not wanting to go certain places like Minneapolis or Cleveland but Florida is as top destination as it could get besides the bigger cities like LA and NY.

I guess if he doesn't like Florida then Drake Maye it is.

[Grahamburn]

That being said Murray’s contract will probably require the Cardinals giving up the player and picks to get any team to take it on. Osweiler style.

[Bootz]

Murray represents an $81mil dead cap hit in 2024. The Cards ain't doing that.

[Grahamburn]

Murray represents an $81mil dead cap hit in 2024. The Cards ain't doing that.

Right. So, what do they do?

[Snake]

Murray represents an $81mil dead cap hit in 2024. The Cards ain't doing that.

Right. So, what do they do?

CW pick traded for a ransom, I guess.

[Snake]

Yeah, I personally prefer Baker Mayfield and the quarterbacks who Jason Licht has drafted in Tampa.

Me too. Much prefer getting mediocre QB play for $4M instead of $40M.

Watching the games is important.

[Phantom]

Whoa

For 4th round pick

Trade: 49ers are sending their former No. 3 overall pick Trey Lance to the Dallas Cowboys for a mid-round, per sources. Lance now gets a fresh start in Dallas.

[acmillis]

A 4th?!?!? Lynch must’ve promised some grade A booger sugar too!

[Grahamburn]

Me too. Much prefer getting mediocre QB play for $4M instead of $40M.

Watching the games is important.

25-31-1

[JackBootedThug]

Darnold named QB2 in SF?

Sorry Trey.

Gave away 3 1st round picks and a third-round to get back a 4th?

Lynch & Kyle better win a Super Bowl and quickly.

[Brazen331]

Should have offered Trask for him. I’m guessing they would have preferred the 4th-rounder anyway.

[Bootz]

This is an absolute disaster for John Lynch and I think he knows it. Time might be ticking for him with the Niners. The picks he used to get Lance basically ended up being Jaylen Waddle, Tyreek Hill, Bradley Chubb and some guy named Channing Tindall who has yet to play. Niners traded all of that for a 4th round pick.

[Kona]

This is an absolute disaster for John Lynch and I think he knows it. Time might be ticking for him with the Niners. The picks he used to get Lance basically ended up being Jaylen Waddle, Tyreek Hill, Bradley Chubb and some guy named Channing Tindall who has yet to play. Niners traded all of that for a 4th round pick.

It certainly is the biggest whiff I can think of. But he has also hit on a lot of picks and built the Niners roster up nicely. Savvy trade for CMC. If Purdy shows he’s the franchise QB and they keep making playoff runs, I think he’s safe.

If Lynch were to be let go. I don’t think he’d be out of job very long. Heck, bring him back home.

[Snake]

This is an absolute disaster for John Lynch and I think he knows it. Time might be ticking for him with the Niners. The picks he used to get Lance basically ended up being Jaylen Waddle, Tyreek Hill, Bradley Chubb and some guy named Channing Tindall who has yet to play. Niners traded all of that for a 4th round pick.

That roster is already good. Imagine another few 1RP’s injected into it…

Big whiff.

[GreatTimes]

Is Wolford going to play tonight? How long will Mayfield play tonight?

[Bootz]

This is an absolute disaster for John Lynch and I think he knows it. Time might be ticking for him with the Niners. The picks he used to get Lance basically ended up being Jaylen Waddle, Tyreek Hill, Bradley Chubb and some guy named Channing Tindall who has yet to play. Niners traded all of that for a 4th round pick.

It certainly is the biggest whiff I can think of. But he has also hit on a lot of picks and built the Niners roster up nicely. Savvy trade for CMC. If Purdy shows he’s the franchise QB and they keep making playoff runs, I think he’s safe.

If Lynch were to be let go. I don’t think he’d be out of job very long. Heck, bring him back home.

Yes, he's done well. But given his statements on the situation plus the word from the Bay area media and fans, it doesn't seem the organization is going to let this go with a mea culpa.

Think about this: They gave up on a guy after 4 starts and about 100 pass attempts after paying him $27mil+ over 2 years.

[_MB_]

Is Wolford going to play tonight? How long will Mayfield play tonight?

I thought Wolford died.

[Phantom]

I don’t think Mayfield play tonight

[Primeminister]

This is an absolute disaster for John Lynch and I think he knows it. Time might be ticking for him with the Niners. The picks he used to get Lance basically ended up being Jaylen Waddle, Tyreek Hill, Bradley Chubb and some guy named Channing Tindall who has yet to play. Niners traded all of that for a 4th round pick.

Not to mention the 9ers original #12 pick turned into Micah Parsons

[Four Verticals]

Is Wolford going to play tonight? How long will Mayfield play tonight?

I thought Wolford died.

He's apparently alive but the Bucs have said he's not going to play tonight.

[mdb1958]

Should have offered Trask for him. I’m guessing they would have preferred the 4th-rounder anyway.

@Brazen331 I do not wish to participate in fantasy football, thank you anyway.

[JackBootedThug]

I thought Wolford died.

He's apparently alive but the Bucs have said he's not going to play tonight.

He's not making the 53. Probably PS until some other team's QB goes down.

[MJW]

It certainly is the biggest whiff I can think of. But he has also hit on a lot of picks and built the Niners roster up nicely. Savvy trade for CMC. If Purdy shows he’s the franchise QB and they keep making playoff runs, I think he’s safe.

If Lynch were to be let go. I don’t think he’d be out of job very long. Heck, bring him back home.

Yes, he's done well. But given his statements on the situation plus the word from the Bay area media and fans, it doesn't seem the organization is going to let this go with a mea culpa.

Think about this: They gave up on a guy after 4 starts and about 100 pass attempts after paying him $27mil+ over 2 years.

John Lynch has had a ton of high-profile misses. That's undisputable.

At the same time, you are what your record is. And the 49ers are one of the best teams in the league since he and Shanny Jr. got there. They've also transformed from a mess of a franchise (remember Jim Tomsula? Chip Kelly?) to one of the most respected in the league. And while they haven't won a chip, they've gotten minutes away from doing so.

If they want to fire John Lynch, he'd instantly be one of the hottest GM candidates in recent years.

[Bootz]

Yes, he's done well. But given his statements on the situation plus the word from the Bay area media and fans, it doesn't seem the organization is going to let this go with a mea culpa.

Think about this: They gave up on a guy after 4 starts and about 100 pass attempts after paying him $27mil+ over 2 years.

John Lynch has had a ton of high-profile misses. That's undisputable.

At the same time, you are what your record is. And the 49ers are one of the best teams in the league since he and Shanny Jr. got there. They've also transformed from a mess of a franchise (remember Jim Tomsula? Chip Kelly?) to one of the most respected in the league. And while they haven't won a chip, they've gotten minutes away from doing so.

If they want to fire John Lynch, he'd instantly be one of the hottest GM candidates in recent years.

The same was true for Trent Baalke until it wasn't.

What's most likely true is the John Lynch led Niners gave reached their peak and are on the decline. 6 years, 3 winning seasons, 3 losing seasons, 1-2 in NFC Championship games, 3 division titles. 2 current HCs & 2 GMs came from the Lynch era.

It's been a good run. Maybe he can do it elsewhere. But the sense is this team is no better or closer to a SB than the 2022 team was. And with good reason.

[MJW]

John Lynch has had a ton of high-profile misses. That's undisputable.

At the same time, you are what your record is. And the 49ers are one of the best teams in the league since he and Shanny Jr. got there. They've also transformed from a mess of a franchise (remember Jim Tomsula? Chip Kelly?) to one of the most respected in the league. And while they haven't won a chip, they've gotten minutes away from doing so.

If they want to fire John Lynch, he'd instantly be one of the hottest GM candidates in recent years.

The same was true for Trent Baalke until it wasn't.

They were in the NFCCG last year so it seems like "it wasn't" is a ways off. It's one of the top three rosters in the league and they're winning a shit ton of games. I have no idea what 49ers fans are complaining about. It confounds me.

[Selmon Rules]

This is an absolute disaster for John Lynch and I think he knows it. Time might be ticking for him with the Niners. The picks he used to get Lance basically ended up being Jaylen Waddle, Tyreek Hill, Bradley Chubb and some guy named Channing Tindall who has yet to play. Niners traded all of that for a 4th round pick.

They missed big time but they took their shot. They traded all that for "what could be", not just a 4th round pick

[MJW]

This is an absolute disaster for John Lynch and I think he knows it. Time might be ticking for him with the Niners. The picks he used to get Lance basically ended up being Jaylen Waddle, Tyreek Hill, Bradley Chubb and some guy named Channing Tindall who has yet to play. Niners traded all of that for a 4th round pick.

They missed big time but they took their shot. They traded all that for "what could be", not just a 4th round pick

I know reality doesn't quite work like this, but it's easy to pretend Brock Purdy is doing what they drafted Trey Lance to do. Obviously, that doesn't address all the sunk costs. I'm not arguing otherwise. But they needed a great young quarterback and they got one. And one who will make 1/15th as much as Trey Lance over the next several years.