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NFL under investigation in California, New York for race and gender discrimination
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Thu, May 4, 2023, 11:00 AM EDT·3 min read

California and New York attorneys general announced Thursday they are beginning an investigation into the National Football League, focusing on claims of workplace discrimination and a hostile environment more than a year after dozens of former female employees disclosed negative experiences working within the organization.


The probe will examine allegations of gender pay disparities, harassment and gender and race discrimination in potential violation of state and federal laws, according to a joint statement released by California Atty. Gen. Rob Bonta and New York Atty. Gen. Letitia James.

The states have subpoenaed the NFL, which has offices in New York and California, for relevant information.

“We have serious concerns about the NFL’s role in creating an extremely hostile and detrimental work environment,” Bonta said. “No company is too big or popular to avoid being held responsible for their actions.”

No employee should suffer in a hostile work environment, James said.

“No matter how powerful or influential, no institution is above the law, and we will ensure the NFL is held accountable,” she said.

Brian McCarthy, chief spokesman for the NFL, called the allegations “entirely inconsistent with the NFL’s values and practices” and said the league offices offer a culture where “employees of all genders, races and backgrounds thrive.”

“The NFL is committed to ensuring all employees of the league are respected, treated fairly, and have equitable pay and access to developmental opportunities,” McCarthy said. “Our policies are intended not only to comply with all applicable laws but to foster a workplace free from harassment, intimidation and discrimination.”

In response to an April 2022 inquiry by James and other state attorneys general, the NFL provided a written response the following month detailing policies and initiatives aimed at improving its culture. A copy of that response was shared with the Los Angeles Times.

The league received no other additional communication from the attorneys general before Thursday’s announcement, McCarthy said. The NFL will cooperate with the investigation, he added.

“We are confident that our pay practices exceed any requirement of the law, and as many organizations do, we regularly take deliberate steps to ensure women and people of color are compensated equitably,” he said. “This includes working with third-party experts to ensure compensation decisions are not impacted by race, ethnicity, or gender, and we are proud of the results of that work.”

The states’ announcement comes more than a year after more than 30 female employees shared their experiences of working at the NFL with the New York Times in a sweeping investigation claiming the organization overlooked them and left them feeling demoralized, despite promises to improve working conditions for women in the league and the overall culture.

The NFL has found itself in legal troubles over the years. One lawsuit filed against the NFL alleged race discrimination targeting a Black female employee and sexual harassment of a female wardrobe stylist. Last month, a former female manager filed an employment discrimination lawsuit in Los Angeles County Superior Court, alleging age, sex and gender discrimination and a hostile work environment.

In 2022, the congressional Committee on Oversight and Reform launched a yearlong inquiry into allegations of workplace misconduct by Washington Commanders owner Dan Snyder, concluding the owner established a “culture of fear” within the team and attempted to interfere with the investigation.

"Despite reports and allegations of abuse perpetrated by both players and male staff, allegations that the NFL has not taken sufficient effective steps to prevent discrimination, harassment and retaliation from occurring in the workplace persist," Bonta and James said in the statement.

This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.
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As a result, the NFL will atone for its bad behavior by instituting a program to promote a non-Binary person to become a head coach within 3 years.
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GreatTimes wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 4:23 pm As a result, the NFL will atone for its bad behavior by instituting a program to promote a non-Binary person to become a head coach within 3 years.
I guarantee - guarantee - we're going to see an institutional push from the league to get women on Head Coach/GM tracks in the near future. It'll start with mandating female hiring on coaching staffs and in front offices. A few years after that, we'll see a female Rooney Rule along with draft compensation for teams that promote.
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MJW wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 4:49 pm
GreatTimes wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 4:23 pm As a result, the NFL will atone for its bad behavior by instituting a program to promote a non-Binary person to become a head coach within 3 years.
I guarantee - guarantee - we're going to see an institutional push from the league to get women on Head Coach/GM tracks in the near future. It'll start with mandating female hiring on coaching staffs and in front offices. A few years after that, we'll see a female Rooney Rule along with draft compensation for teams that promote.
You say that as if it's a bad thing...
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Why is it a good thing?
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Snake wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 5:00 pm Why is it a good thing?
Why is giving more people opportunities to do jobs they are capable of doing a good thing?? That's your question?

Nevermind. Forgot who was asking for a second. Carryon.
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Bootz wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 4:57 pm
MJW wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 4:49 pm

I guarantee - guarantee - we're going to see an institutional push from the league to get women on Head Coach/GM tracks in the near future. It'll start with mandating female hiring on coaching staffs and in front offices. A few years after that, we'll see a female Rooney Rule along with draft compensation for teams that promote.
You say that as if it's a bad thing...
I say it like it's ridiculous at this point in history, because it is.
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MJW wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 8:49 pm
Bootz wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 4:57 pm

You say that as if it's a bad thing...
I say it like it's ridiculous at this point in history, because it is.
Ridiculous that those in the minority historically are being considered for positions generally dominated by a specific demographic because of status & not because they are better than? That's ridiculous to you?
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So start a womens league. Call it the WNFL. It would be part of the solution, But oh wait, it'll fold in 3 years because why? No one cares about women's sports.

So when you start incorporating women into a male popular sport because "Toxic masculinity" people(Men) will eventually lose interest because why? No one wants to see the NFL gradually become emasculated.

Go woke, get broke. Just wait and see.
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I'm sorry, how are we emasculating the NFL? That has got to be one of the dumbest things posted here.

We've been dragging our balls over the sport, and most sports, long enough. This game doesn't belong to only half the population.

By all means there is something to be said about having played the game and then going into the business. Absolutely. But plenty of great staff were not players and are damn good at their jobs. Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, and Paul Brown, none of them played a down in the NFL yet we huge parts in its shaping. For unsung executives, scouts, and front office personnel the list is probably endless.

The first one is always the hardest. The first black player, in any sport, was the hardest. The first black QB. The first black coach. The first openly gay player. And in doing so they open the door to the rest. All along the way being told they didn't have it because they didn't deserve it. And then acting like somehow over the last three generations the "black man evolved" enough to handle the "cerebral" part of the game. Give me a break. It's as insulting as it is ridiculous.

You don't need balls to watch tape. A lot of free time, but not balls. And just by sheer statistics it stands that some of our best and brightest FO personal would absolutely be women. And we are doing a great disservice to ourselves and the sport to not bring them to the forefront to elevate the game to its utmost.

And yes, sometimes doing so takes some nudging. Breaking barriers always does, whether it's blacks in baseball or gays in the military. But you know what we get over it, we move on, and we're better for it.
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Doctor wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 1:57 am We've been dragging our balls over the sport, and most sports, long enough. This game doesn't belong to only half the population.

By all means there is something to be said about having played the game and then going into the business. Absolutely. But plenty of great staff were not players and are damn good at their jobs. Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, and Paul Brown, none of them played a down in the NFL yet we huge parts in its shaping. For unsung executives, scouts, and front office personnel the list is probably endless.

You don't need balls to watch tape. A lot of free time, but not balls. And just by sheer statistics it stands that some of our best and brightest FO personal would absolutely be women. And we are doing a great disservice to ourselves and the sport to not bring them to the forefront to elevate the game to its utmost.

And yes, sometimes doing so takes some nudging. Breaking barriers always does, whether it's blacks in baseball or gays in the military. But you know what we get over it, we move on, and we're better for it.
All the coaches you mentioned at least played at some level.

So do you believe that some one who has no experience in getting hit or being hit is qualified to teach? How do they know other Proper techniques and stance?

By all means go ahead make the NFL into an all women's league. No issue from me

In the NHL, a woman (forget her name) who recently was hired for player personnel got canned not long after getting hired by the Vancouver Canucks. She then tried to make a big stink out of it afterwards screaming "inequality" but frankly it was because she couldn't properly do the job or couldn't keep up with the day to day operations. This is what you get when you are just gonna hire someone for the sake of "WE NEED DIVERSITY!" Plus as an extra bonus she'll take you to court and scream "UNFAIRNESS" even if you were in the right to fire her like the Canucks were.

Here is the article. And there you go @Doctor , she was a video analyst. She claims to have PTSD and that the Canucks knew her diagnosis, But It obviously didnt prevent her from getting the job in the first place. When I watched her talk on a podcast, seemed normal to me.

This article is eyerolling. Most people (and in pro sports) just move on after being fired, so take what you've learned and get on with another team or job. Heck, maybe she would have been given another opportunity somewhere else if she left in a professional manner instead of screaming "wokism." In a tantrum, she isn't getting hired again.

So this just seems like more trouble than its worth.

If being in a highly competitive mostly male dominated industry causes you mental and physical stress than no, no you are not fit and its not personal. And I wonder how many women in the NFL will play the same card in the future after getting fired for performance reasons so we get more cry baby articles like this.

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I already knew @Snake & @MJW were bigots. I'm shocked to discover they have company.... :roll:
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Hire the best candidate for the job, full stop.
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acmillis wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 7:29 am Hire the best candidate for the job, full stop.
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acmillis wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 7:29 am Hire the best candidate for the job, full stop.
Coaching at a high level is a job that has a lot of credibility requirements. If you never played the game at a high-level, it’s hard to ask your players not to be pussies.

The vast majority of collegiate coaching positions - down to unpaid graduate assistants - require college football PLAYING experience. There have been some exceptions to the rule, but not many.

Can you see why this would be difficult for half of the population?
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Passively trying to justify his bigotry. @Snake very slick of you.
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99% of men couldn't play the game. You really think at the end of the day when a fat ass 66 year old is directing players what gives him "credit" is his handful of special team snaps from 45 years ago? Oh please.

Also, take it off the field and move it into the FO. Does your bigotry sustain? Women can't crunch numbers?

People don't respect other people for a variety of reasons, most usually having nothing to do with the person. No one is saying it's going to be easy. But the idea that every member of a certain group is "incapable" is just plain idiotic.
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Doctor wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 9:46 am 99% of men couldn't play the game. You really think at the end of the day when a fat ass 66 year old is directing players what gives him "credit" is his handful of special team snaps from 45 years ago? Oh please.

Also, take it off the field and move it into the FO. Does your bigotry sustain? Women can't crunch numbers?

People don't respect other people for a variety of reasons, most usually having nothing to do with the person. No one is saying it's going to be easy. But the idea that every member of a certain group is "incapable" is just plain idiotic.
I think front office work is probably more viable, yes. Though, having an understanding of the game and how it works in practical/real terms is also valuable in those roles.

and yeah, I've seen more than enough players question the bonafides of coaches telling them what to do.
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That's my point. There will always be players will do that. Disrespectful assholes will be disrespectful assholes all day, kids that want to take instruction and improve will also do so. This is always far more an indictment on the player's character than the coaches. "Having played at some level" is not a magic shield against it and acting like it is and therefore a requirement is disingenuous poppycock.
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Doctor wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 9:57 am That's my point. There will always be players will do that. Disrespectful assholes will be disrespectful assholes all day, kids that want to take instruction and improve will also do so. This is always far more an indictment on the player's character than the coaches. "Having played at some level" is not a magic shield against it and acting like it is and therefore a requirement is disingenuous poppycock.
Players' character? Have you been around NFL players and D1 football players? Not everyone is Cheb. He's about 1 in 20.

A woman with no football experience trying to show an NFL player how to do a swim move against a 330# man, when she's never ever done it herself, is a joke. and @Deja Entendu witnessed this in person. He said it was clear the female coaches in Tampa were a joke and the players paid them minimal mind.
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Snake wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:05 am
Doctor wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 9:57 am That's my point. There will always be players will do that. Disrespectful assholes will be disrespectful assholes all day, kids that want to take instruction and improve will also do so. This is always far more an indictment on the player's character than the coaches. "Having played at some level" is not a magic shield against it and acting like it is and therefore a requirement is disingenuous poppycock.
Players' character? Have you been around NFL players and D1 football players? Not everyone is Cheb. He's about 1 in 20.

A woman with no football experience trying to show an NFL player how to do a swim move against a 330# man, when she's never ever done it herself, is a joke. and @Deja Entendu witnessed this in person. He said it was clear the female coaches in Tampa were a joke and the players paid them minimal mind.
I guess you’ll take his word over the players who praised her during our SB run. Makes sense
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Primeminister wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:08 am
Snake wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:05 am

Players' character? Have you been around NFL players and D1 football players? Not everyone is Cheb. He's about 1 in 20.

A woman with no football experience trying to show an NFL player how to do a swim move against a 330# man, when she's never ever done it herself, is a joke. and @Deja Entendu witnessed this in person. He said it was clear the female coaches in Tampa were a joke and the players paid them minimal mind.
I guess you’ll take his word over the players who praised her during our SB run. Makes sense
Lip service from this organization? The same people who said Arians was happy to move to the front office after Brady had him fired.

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Primeminister wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:08 am
Snake wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:05 am

Players' character? Have you been around NFL players and D1 football players? Not everyone is Cheb. He's about 1 in 20.

A woman with no football experience trying to show an NFL player how to do a swim move against a 330# man, when she's never ever done it herself, is a joke. and @Deja Entendu witnessed this in person. He said it was clear the female coaches in Tampa were a joke and the players paid them minimal mind.
I guess you’ll take his word over the players who praised her during our SB run. Makes sense
But you'll take the players word just cause they said so? Just saying.

No player is going to trash another coach in the media no matter what they think of her or him beind closed doors. Well, in most cases.
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Snake wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:05 am
Doctor wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 9:57 am That's my point. There will always be players will do that. Disrespectful assholes will be disrespectful assholes all day, kids that want to take instruction and improve will also do so. This is always far more an indictment on the player's character than the coaches. "Having played at some level" is not a magic shield against it and acting like it is and therefore a requirement is disingenuous poppycock.
Players' character? Have you been around NFL players and D1 football players? Not everyone is Cheb. He's about 1 in 20.

A woman with no football experience trying to show an NFL player how to do a swim move against a 330# man, when she's never ever done it herself, is a joke. and @Deja Entendu witnessed this in person. He said it was clear the female coaches in Tampa were a joke and the players paid them minimal mind.
You realize most people didn't take too well to blacks in the military either right? Or anywhere else for that matter.
I don't think "Listen, 19 out of 20 are gonna be bigoted assholes so we shouldn't do this" isn't quite the argument you think it is.
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Central_Buc wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:20 am No player is going to trash another coach in the media no matter what they think of her or him beind closed doors.
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Doctor wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:28 am
Central_Buc wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:20 am No player is going to trash another coach in the media no matter what they think of her or him beind closed doors.
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Snake wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:05 am
Doctor wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 9:57 am That's my point. There will always be players will do that. Disrespectful assholes will be disrespectful assholes all day, kids that want to take instruction and improve will also do so. This is always far more an indictment on the player's character than the coaches. "Having played at some level" is not a magic shield against it and acting like it is and therefore a requirement is disingenuous poppycock.
Players' character? Have you been around NFL players and D1 football players? Not everyone is Cheb. He's about 1 in 20.

A woman with no football experience trying to show an NFL player how to do a swim move against a 330# man, when she's never ever done it herself, is a joke. and @Deja Entendu witnessed this in person. He said it was clear the female coaches in Tampa were a joke and the players paid them minimal mind.
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Deja Entendu wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 11:33 am
Snake wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:05 am

Players' character? Have you been around NFL players and D1 football players? Not everyone is Cheb. He's about 1 in 20.

A woman with no football experience trying to show an NFL player how to do a swim move against a 330# man, when she's never ever done it herself, is a joke. and @Deja Entendu witnessed this in person. He said it was clear the female coaches in Tampa were a joke and the players paid them minimal mind.
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Doctor wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:21 am
Snake wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:05 am

Players' character? Have you been around NFL players and D1 football players? Not everyone is Cheb. He's about 1 in 20.

A woman with no football experience trying to show an NFL player how to do a swim move against a 330# man, when she's never ever done it herself, is a joke. and @Deja Entendu witnessed this in person. He said it was clear the female coaches in Tampa were a joke and the players paid them minimal mind.
You realize most people didn't take too well to blacks in the military either right? Or anywhere else for that matter.
I don't think "Listen, 19 out of 20 are gonna be bigoted assholes so we shouldn't do this" isn't quite the argument you think it is.
Can we be realistic and okay with the fact that certain professions draw certain groups of people and predispositions/interests/skills can exist over biological gender divides?

6% of welders are women. Is the welding industry bigoted, or do women just not want to weld?

5% of oil rig roughnecks are women. Is the oil industry bigoted? or should you watch a video of roughnecks working and figure out the reality of that one?
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Central_Buc wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 2:53 am
Doctor wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 1:57 am We've been dragging our balls over the sport, and most sports, long enough. This game doesn't belong to only half the population.

By all means there is something to be said about having played the game and then going into the business. Absolutely. But plenty of great staff were not players and are damn good at their jobs. Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, and Paul Brown, none of them played a down in the NFL yet we huge parts in its shaping. For unsung executives, scouts, and front office personnel the list is probably endless.

You don't need balls to watch tape. A lot of free time, but not balls. And just by sheer statistics it stands that some of our best and brightest FO personal would absolutely be women. And we are doing a great disservice to ourselves and the sport to not bring them to the forefront to elevate the game to its utmost.

And yes, sometimes doing so takes some nudging. Breaking barriers always does, whether it's blacks in baseball or gays in the military. But you know what we get over it, we move on, and we're better for it.
All the coaches you mentioned at least played at some level.

So do you believe that some one who has no experience in getting hit or being hit is qualified to teach? How do they know other Proper techniques and stance?

By all means go ahead make the NFL into an all women's league. No issue from me

In the NHL, a woman (forget her name) who recently was hired for player personnel got canned not long after getting hired by the Vancouver Canucks. She then tried to make a big stink out of it afterwards screaming "inequality" but frankly it was because she couldn't properly do the job or couldn't keep up with the day to day operations. This is what you get when you are just gonna hire someone for the sake of "WE NEED DIVERSITY!" Plus as an extra bonus she'll take you to court and scream "UNFAIRNESS" even if you were in the right to fire her like the Canucks were.

Here is the article. And there you go @Doctor , she was a video analyst. She claims to have PTSD and that the Canucks knew her diagnosis, But It obviously didnt prevent her from getting the job in the first place. When I watched her talk on a podcast, seemed normal to me.

This article is eyerolling. Most people (and in pro sports) just move on after being fired, so take what you've learned and get on with another team or job. Heck, maybe she would have been given another opportunity somewhere else if she left in a professional manner instead of screaming "wokism." In a tantrum, she isn't getting hired again.

So this just seems like more trouble than its worth.

If being in a highly competitive mostly male dominated industry causes you mental and physical stress than no, no you are not fit and its not personal. And I wonder how many women in the NFL will play the same card in the future after getting fired for performance reasons so we get more cry baby articles like this.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.6666298
I don't see anyone here saying to make a hire solely for the sake of diversity. But if a person is qualified, skin color, what's between their legs, or what gender they prefer to have sex with certainly shouldn't disqualify them.

As for the woman you're talking about in your post above, so what? Because she was an asshole that should disqualify all women from jobs in male-dominated sports?

Talk about a caveman mentality. jfc
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Deja Entendu wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 11:33 am
Snake wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:05 am

Players' character? Have you been around NFL players and D1 football players? Not everyone is Cheb. He's about 1 in 20.

A woman with no football experience trying to show an NFL player how to do a swim move against a 330# man, when she's never ever done it herself, is a joke. and @Deja Entendu witnessed this in person. He said it was clear the female coaches in Tampa were a joke and the players paid them minimal mind.
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Re: NFL in hot water again...

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Snake wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:10 am
Primeminister wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:08 am

I guess you’ll take his word over the players who praised her during our SB run. Makes sense
Lip service from this organization? The same people who said Arians was happy to move to the front office after Brady had him fired.

PR junk.
But you’ll take the word of a message board member over the people who work with that coach? It does check out on this topic.
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Re: NFL in hot water again...

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Primeminister wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 12:33 pm
Snake wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:10 am

Lip service from this organization? The same people who said Arians was happy to move to the front office after Brady had him fired.

PR junk.
But you’ll take the word of a message board member over the people who work with that coach? It does check out on this topic.
In this case? Absolutely.
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Re: NFL in hot water again...

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Central_Buc wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:20 am
Primeminister wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 10:08 am

I guess you’ll take his word over the players who praised her during our SB run. Makes sense
But you'll take the players word just cause they said so? Just saying.

No player is going to trash another coach in the media no matter what they think of her or him beind closed doors. Well, in most cases.
Well if @Snake is going to justify his position based on @vivalaReagan claiming players don’t respect the coach then I don’t see why I can’t bring up that actual players disagree with him.
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