The Church of Canales

[real bucs fan]

Think we’ve found a special one.

Sing his praises here.

[Snake]

What is preseason?

[Snake]

But anyone is an improvement over FatWich. Glad that era is over.

[Grahamburn]

Loving the new modern wrinkles. Boots, waggles, shifting the pocket, constant play action.

It’s refreshing.

[mdb1958]

What is preseason?

Video tape.

[Phantom]

Just imagine Tom Brady in Canales offense

[Bootz]

I'm sorry, did I miss something? Have we played games already and I just missed them? What are we singing the praises of exactly, preseason games against backups?

[Grahamburn]

I'm sorry, did I miss something? Have we played games already and I just missed them? What are we singing the praises of exactly, preseason games against backups?

Regardless of who they’re playing you can appreciate play design. Structure. Sequencing. Using motion. The play action. And not just traditional play action. RPOs. Moving the QB around. TE sweep.

It’s going to give the defense a lot more to think about when they play us.

[Bootz]

I'm sorry, did I miss something? Have we played games already and I just missed them? What are we singing the praises of exactly, preseason games against backups?

Regardless of who they’re playing you can appreciate play design. Structure. Sequencing. Using motion. The play action. And not just traditional play action. RPOs. Moving the QB around. TE sweep.

It’s going to give the defense a lot more to think about when they play us.

What I can appreciate is results. Production. If it leads to winning football, then his praises will be sung. Until then, not a note will be sung.

[Phantom]

We’ll see how good the offense is on week 1 vs Vikings



Vikings defense is not that great.

[Phantom]

One thing I’ve notice about this offense, it runs more play action pass. Leftwich/Bowies rarely run that play last season

[13F11B]

I'm sorry, did I miss something? Have we played games already and I just missed them? What are we singing the praises of exactly, preseason games against backups?

We just wanted to post something positive to induce you to come in and shit all over it.

[Bootz]

I'm sorry, did I miss something? Have we played games already and I just missed them? What are we singing the praises of exactly, preseason games against backups?

We just wanted to post something positive to induce you to come in and shit all over it.

I'd love some positive news. This isn't positive. It's not even factual. He hasn't coached a game at OC yet in an NFL regular season game.

[Buc2]

Still no need to be an asshole about it. If folks want to be positive and find positive things to say, so what.

[Kress]

Loving the new modern wrinkles. Boots, waggles, shifting the pocket, constant play action.

It’s refreshing.

It's what you do when your QB is 5'4", your OL is suspect, and your backs are not the best in pass pro.

But to your point, Lefty would have tried to force everyone to run the Brady offense. At least we have a guy adapting to his players.

[Pelagic_and_Pewter]

Loving the new modern wrinkles. Boots, waggles, shifting the pocket, constant play action.

It’s refreshing.

Yeah, the amount of playaction this preseason was a nice breath of fresh air (though I wouldn't expect us to run it at the rate we did in preseason).

Different routes, better separation of depth with the levels in the passing game, etc.

Hoping this translates to the regular season.

[13F11B]

We just wanted to post something positive to induce you to come in and shit all over it.

I'd love some positive news. This isn't positive. It's not even factual. He hasn't coached a game at OC yet in an NFL regular season game.

And after the Vikings, you will update your spew to say he has not even coached two games. So it will go. For you, he is not Leftwich and that alone is enough to forever question him. We understand Bootz.

[Bootz]

I'd love some positive news. This isn't positive. It's not even factual. He hasn't coached a game at OC yet in an NFL regular season game.

And after the Vikings, you will update your spew to say he has not even coached two games. So it will go. For you, he is not Leftwich and that alone is enough to forever question him. We understand Bootz.

Leftwich? The same guy I said should’ve never been hired in the 1st place?? That guy? Try to keep up and stop trying to make this personal with me. You’re so hell bent on creating a personal argument you’re making shit up.

[13F11B]

And after the Vikings, you will update your spew to say he has not even coached two games. So it will go. For you, he is not Leftwich and that alone is enough to forever question him. We understand Bootz.

Leftwich? The same guy I said should’ve never been hired in the 1st place?? That guy? Try to keep up and stop trying to make this personal with me. You’re so hell bent on creating a personal argument you’re making shit up.

um...

So we’ll be worse than we were with Leftwich.

Doesn’t bode well for Canales or the narrative that Lefty was the problem.

or

Fools gold. People are lying to themselves. That high is gone and I'll tell you why. If it wasn't, there wouldn't have been such a campaign for Leftwich, our SB winning OC, to be fired. People also wouldn't be putting Bowles on the hot seat.

[Bootz]

Leftwich? The same guy I said should’ve never been hired in the 1st place?? That guy? Try to keep up and stop trying to make this personal with me. You’re so hell bent on creating a personal argument you’re making shit up.

um...

So we’ll be worse than we were with Leftwich.

Doesn’t bode well for Canales or the narrative that Lefty was the problem.

or

Fools gold. People are lying to themselves. That high is gone and I'll tell you why. If it wasn't, there wouldn't have been such a campaign for Leftwich, our SB winning OC, to be fired. People also wouldn't be putting Bowles on the hot seat.

You do realize that's not voicing support for Leftwich, don't you? That had everything to do with narratives driven by people as well as a question about the high of a Superbowl.

Again, maybe if you didn't have an agenda to make it personal and focused on what was being discussed you'd see that. But by all means, continue down the rabbit hole.

[MJW]

I usually wait until someone has done literally anything before I canonize them.

[Doctor]

*laughs in caleb*

[Nobody]

This is sort of like judging a player based on their combine:

* Looks great in underwear.

* Transferrable traits.

* Need more film.

EDIT: However, I do love 4 things:

* The base offense of Base offense predominate w/ formation/personnel variety + Outside/Mid Zone + Boots + Jet + Levels passing game + extremely high rate of PA-pass he’s shown in preseason and said would be a staple.

* His practice-field demeanor.

* His ability and willingness to articulate conceptually without getting gameplan-specific.

* In a recent press conference he stated unequivocally something to the effect of “yes, on 3rd and short its about winning one-on-ones, but as a coaching staff we do a disservice to our players and our team if we don’t give the edge defenders (in particular) something they have to think about and honor so they can’t just pin their ears back (which, without those things, you give defenders the “beat the man in front of you” advantage).


But we’ll see. Its all just talk and affectation until it shows up and produces results in the regular season.

[13F11B]

um...




or

You do realize that's not voicing support for Leftwich, don't you? That had everything to do with narratives driven by people as well as a question about the high of a Superbowl.

Again, maybe if you didn't have an agenda to make it personal and focused on what was being discussed you'd see that. But by all means, continue down the rabbit hole.

Unlike you, I will take your word for what you meant.
Unlike you, I am not trying to make it personal.

[BuccaNOLEer]

But anyone is an improvement over LeftBITCH. Glad that era is over.

FIFY

[Buc2]

But anyone is an improvement over LeftBITCH. Glad that era is over.

FIFY

No. It's Leftwich. No need to disparage the man just because he didn't work out the way it was hoped he would.

[real bucs fan]

I usually wait until someone has done literally anything before I canonize them.

Tom Brady is a pretty good quarterback!

Am I doing it right?

[MJW]

*laughs in caleb*

If Dave Canales was one of the most celebrated OCs in recent college football history, that'd be different. He's a guy who was seen as unfit to be his own team's coordinator.

[Doctor]

FIFY

No. It's Leftwich. No need to disparage the man just because he didn't work out the way it was hoped he would.

For real.
Like it or not he may be the best OC in franchise history.

[Grahamburn]

Church of Canales is a bit hyperbolic, but why can't we celebrate the little things? All we have to go on so far is a few pre-season games. Two of which went pretty damn well for the martyr Mayfield. Trask looked good operating the offense as well.

What's so wrong with pointing that out?

I swear some of you just want this season to be an epic failure so much that you're not even entertaining the chance that it could be more.

[Nobody]

Church of Canales is a bit hyperbolic, but why can't we celebrate the little things? All we have to go on so far is a few pre-season games. Two of which went pretty damn well for the martyr Mayfield. Trask looked good operating the offense as well.

What's so wrong with pointing that out?

I swear some of you just want this season to be an epic failure so much that you're not even entertaining the chance that it could be more.

In the spirit of optimism, I think Canales might end up a good OC (for the reasons I mentioned), but I’ll wait until reality supports that.

In the spirit of optimism, I’m confident that Jensen’s injury (while sucking for him) is a bit of a boon because (a) Hainsey needs to play and (b) this offense is made for him (contra Jensen).

In the spirit of optimism, Coach Bowles is smiling more. That can’t be a bad thing (for both him and for the people he’s around all the time).

In the spirit of optimism, I’m looking forward to seeing White and Tucker in this scheme. Patience/discipline > vision > burst and balance-through-contact pays off here.

In the spirit of optimism, AWJ moving back to his best position should help him and help the D.

In the spirit of optimism, we have more pass rush weapons for depth/subpackage than I recall in awhile and Shaq’s burst/bend doesn’t seem wrecked.

In the spirit of optimism, Godwin seems to have his explosivity/aggression fully returned and Mike might flourish in what this offense asks from him.

[Miller4Prez64]

FIFY

No. It's Leftwich. No need to disparage the man just because he didn't work out the way it was hoped he would.

Especially when you look back and realize that in three of his four years on the job the offense scored a ton of points and won a Super Bowl. Obviously that’s not because of him by any means, but no reason to be this petty about the guy anymore. He rightfully got replaced, let’s just move on.

[Doctor]

Even that is unfairly cheating him out. Lefty played his role during that run. A huge role.

It's insane to be how some fans will just convince themselves every player and staffer who praised Leftwich during the that stretch was just lying and he wasn't actually contributing anything the entire time. Like, why? You need to sports-hate someone that bad?

[Cheb]

No. It's Leftwich. No need to disparage the man just because he didn't work out the way it was hoped he would.

Especially when you look back and realize that in three of his four years on the job the offense scored a ton of points and won a Super Bowl. Obviously that’s not because of him by any means, but no reason to be this petty about the guy anymore. He rightfully got replaced, let’s just move on.

Correction: Bruce Arians' offenses scored a ton of points and won a Super Bowl. When Arians handed him the keys to the bus, Leftwich promptly drove it off a cliff.

I ain't mad at Leftwich as a human being and would gladly buy him a beer and talk ball, but let's not pretend that last year under his watch wasn't a total offensive shitshow of his own devising.

[Buc2]

Especially when you look back and realize that in three of his four years on the job the offense scored a ton of points and won a Super Bowl. Obviously that’s not because of him by any means, but no reason to be this petty about the guy anymore. He rightfully got replaced, let’s just move on.

Correction: Bruce Arians' offenses scored a ton of points and won a Super Bowl. When Arians handed him the keys to the bus, Leftwich promptly drove it off a cliff.

I ain't mad at Leftwich as a human being and would gladly buy him a beer and talk ball, but let's not pretend that last year under his watch wasn't a total offensive shitshow of his own devising.

Right. People shouldn't mistake my saying his name should not be disparaged as Buccanole did earlier in this thread with me praising Leftwich's tenure as OC after BA stepped away as HC. He needed to go and he's gone. Best of luck to him in his future endeavors.