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Thank God Evans is staying. I imagine Baker will be signed pretty rapidly now that Evans is locked down.
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I thought my dad was fucking with me when he told me that Mike re-signed. Good stuff.
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CannonFire wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:23 am So, does this mean Evans is retiring after the 2025 season or we go through this again in the 2026 offseason?

OOORRR... is it a deal where the Bucs could trade him before the draft to get real value, since the buying team gets him for 2 seasons and not just 1, and a chance to do an extension?

I have a feeling it's #2... we're going to be going through this again in 2 years. At that point, maybe the deal will be 2 years for $30M.
So Mike signs a team friendly-ish deal after saying he wants to be a Buc for Life and you want to trade him immediately? JFC.
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Also, love that it's a two year deal. Looks like his age definitely was a factor in the negotiations.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:28 am Also, love that it's a two year deal. Looks like his age definitely was a factor in the negotiations.
This was very smart on Evan's part honestly. He gets huge money over the next 2 seasons. As stated only Tyreek Hill has made more over a 2 year span as a WR. All of this is new money so Evans will be making bank very quickly. The $35mil guaranteed is irrelevant and might as well say $52mil guaranteed. The major question is the one @Snake posed. How many void years?
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Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:40 am
Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:28 am Also, love that it's a two year deal. Looks like his age definitely was a factor in the negotiations.
This was very smart on Evan's part honestly. He gets huge money over the next 2 seasons. As stated only Tyreek Hill has made more over a 2 year span as a WR. All of this is new money so Evans will be making bank very quickly. The $35mil guaranteed is irrelevant and might as well say $52mil guaranteed. The major question is the one @Snake posed. How many void years?
Why is the $35M irrelevant? That's the part I found odd about the deal. Seemed like he could have made more or had a longer term on the open market. I guess it wasn't as hot as they expected? And/or he really did just want to be a Buc for Life.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:44 am
Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:40 am

This was very smart on Evan's part honestly. He gets huge money over the next 2 seasons. As stated only Tyreek Hill has made more over a 2 year span as a WR. All of this is new money so Evans will be making bank very quickly. The $35mil guaranteed is irrelevant and might as well say $52mil guaranteed. The major question is the one @Snake posed. How many void years?
Why is the $35M irrelevant? That's the part I found odd about the deal. Seemed like he could have made more or had a longer term on the open market. I guess it wasn't as hot as they expected? And/or he really did just want to be a Buc for Life.
Because he's going to get every cent of this deal over the next 2 seasons. The chances of Evans being cut within 12 months are non-existent.
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And if he is cut, well then congratulations to you Mr Evans. You just made $35mil for 1 season of work and can land another deal elsewhere.
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Re: Mike Evans (Licht said there’s a plan to resume talks this offseason)

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CannonFire wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:16 am
BuccaNOLEer wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:35 am

And like I said above, they should re-sign Evans, but seeing as he is 30, it's time to start grooming his replacement. Wilson would definitely fit the mold
Yeah, I saw... but like I said, I don't trust Buc fans opinions of college players from the state of Florida as they're about 99% bias. I was really challenging your take on Wilson. Either he's a future Mike Evans where you make sure you get him and let Evans walk or you just keep Evans and draft another player of need elsewhere. If you extend Evans, it needs to be 4 years. If you draft Wilson in the 2nd round, his contract ends in 4 years. If he and Evans are similar players, they're not going to be on the field for 80% of the snaps unless you plan on running a 4-wide offense. If that happens, sure, but if not (which is where I think we all believe we're going), you're spending a 2nd round pick on a kid who won't get the playing time to warrant that price. Either that, or you're paying Evans a lot of money to be phased out over time.
I hear and appreciate what you're saying, but his intangibles don't lie. Then again, Jameis had impressive intangibles at the Combine as well and I was a big backer of him and look what happened.
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How much cap room do the Bucs have for the 2024 season?
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Was personally never worried about Evans going elsewhere. Glad it’s done.

Now how much do we have left to spend lol
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Sdbucs wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:22 am Was personally never worried about Evans going elsewhere. Glad it’s done.

Now how much do we have left to spend lol
We won't know that for sure until Shaq's release is officially filed.
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GreatTimes wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:11 am How much cap room do the Bucs have for the 2024 season?
More restructure coming to sign others.
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Mike used Wolf of Wallstreet to announce he “is not fucking leaving”.

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Bootz wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:40 am Take a look at Davante Adams' deal he signed last year at the same age Evans is now. That's your starting point, ladies and gentlemen.

IF Licht manages to sign him for less, 2 things. A. Give Licht a lifetime contract as GM of this team and B. Evans is a complete idiot.
Update?

In fairness I think it's great for both sides. He's back and he gets a nice chunk of change very quickly. Adams' deal is different on the surface and he got more guaranteed, but his was more of a 3 year deal.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:28 am
CannonFire wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:23 am So, does this mean Evans is retiring after the 2025 season or we go through this again in the 2026 offseason?

OOORRR... is it a deal where the Bucs could trade him before the draft to get real value, since the buying team gets him for 2 seasons and not just 1, and a chance to do an extension?

I have a feeling it's #2... we're going to be going through this again in 2 years. At that point, maybe the deal will be 2 years for $30M.
So Mike signs a team friendly-ish deal after saying he wants to be a Buc for Life and you want to trade him immediately? JFC.
For real.

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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:38 am
Bootz wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:40 am Take a look at Davante Adams' deal he signed last year at the same age Evans is now. That's your starting point, ladies and gentlemen.

IF Licht manages to sign him for less, 2 things. A. Give Licht a lifetime contract as GM of this team and B. Evans is a complete idiot.
Update?

In fairness I think it's great for both sides. He's back and he gets a nice chunk of change very quickly. Adams' deal is different on the surface and he got more guaranteed, but his was more of a 3 year deal.
Definitely redemption for Evans. He's either
making $52mil over the next 2 seasons, 2nd most all time for a WR, or $35mil for 1 if he's cut for whatever reason, most all time for a WR.
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Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:34 am
Sdbucs wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:22 am Was personally never worried about Evans going elsewhere. Glad it’s done.

Now how much do we have left to spend lol
We won't know that for sure until Shaq's release is officially filed.
I also imagine that Mike’s deal may include void years to help re-sign Baker.
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Miller4Prez64 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:26 pm
Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:34 am

We won't know that for sure until Shaq's release is officially filed.
I also imagine that Mike’s deal may include void years to help re-sign Baker.
Without question. Licht has gone from making this a resourceful tool to supplement and help manage the year to year cap to making it a staple in this teams contract structure. Even players on rookie deals have void years added.
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Miller4Prez64 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:26 pm
Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:34 am

We won't know that for sure until Shaq's release is officially filed.
I also imagine that Mike’s deal may include void years to help re-sign Baker.
Possible. Void years are a tool, you just have to know how to use it to not get burned. Like using a wok.
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Doctor wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:38 pm
Miller4Prez64 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:26 pm

I also imagine that Mike’s deal may include void years to help re-sign Baker.
Possible. Void years are a tool, you just have to know how to use it to not get burned. Like using a wok.
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Anytime you are #1 in dead cap because of voided years I'd say that's getting burned.
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Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:08 pm
Doctor wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:38 pm

Possible. Void years are a tool, you just have to know how to use it to not get burned. Like using a wok.
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Anytime you are #1 in dead cap because of voided years I'd say that's getting burned.
That lasted all of 1 season, and then we had the lowest dead cap in the league, won 10 games, won the division, and a playoff game. And we found our QB of the future.

I agree, we sure did get burned by that dead cap...
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Snake wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:18 am How many VOID years?
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Where are some of y'all seeing void years in this contract? Link?
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Perfect. Now do Baker :-)
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Buc2 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:29 pm Where are some of y'all seeing void years in this contract? Link?
Won’t know for a bit
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:44 am
Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:40 am

This was very smart on Evan's part honestly. He gets huge money over the next 2 seasons. As stated only Tyreek Hill has made more over a 2 year span as a WR. All of this is new money so Evans will be making bank very quickly. The $35mil guaranteed is irrelevant and might as well say $52mil guaranteed. The major question is the one @Snake posed. How many void years?
Why is the $35M irrelevant? That's the part I found odd about the deal. Seemed like he could have made more or had a longer term on the open market. I guess it wasn't as hot as they expected? And/or he really did just want to be a Buc for Life.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:28 am
CannonFire wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:23 am So, does this mean Evans is retiring after the 2025 season or we go through this again in the 2026 offseason?

OOORRR... is it a deal where the Bucs could trade him before the draft to get real value, since the buying team gets him for 2 seasons and not just 1, and a chance to do an extension?

I have a feeling it's #2... we're going to be going through this again in 2 years. At that point, maybe the deal will be 2 years for $30M.
So Mike signs a team friendly-ish deal after saying he wants to be a Buc for Life and you want to trade him immediately? JFC.
For the reading impaired....
Option 1: He retires after 2 years.
Option 2: We do this all over again in 2 years.
Option 3: They trade him.

Hope that helps.
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Doctor wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:43 am
Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:28 am

So Mike signs a team friendly-ish deal after saying he wants to be a Buc for Life and you want to trade him immediately? JFC.
For real.

If you thought draft groupie dogma was ridiculous before, forgot the part where it ends in ritual cannibalism.
Or... you failed reading comprehension in school. :D
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BuccaNOLEer wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:08 am
CannonFire wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:16 am

Yeah, I saw... but like I said, I don't trust Buc fans opinions of college players from the state of Florida as they're about 99% bias. I was really challenging your take on Wilson. Either he's a future Mike Evans where you make sure you get him and let Evans walk or you just keep Evans and draft another player of need elsewhere. If you extend Evans, it needs to be 4 years. If you draft Wilson in the 2nd round, his contract ends in 4 years. If he and Evans are similar players, they're not going to be on the field for 80% of the snaps unless you plan on running a 4-wide offense. If that happens, sure, but if not (which is where I think we all believe we're going), you're spending a 2nd round pick on a kid who won't get the playing time to warrant that price. Either that, or you're paying Evans a lot of money to be phased out over time.
I hear and appreciate what you're saying, but his intangibles don't lie. Then again, Jameis had impressive intangibles at the Combine as well and I was a big backer of him and look what happened.
Now that they re-signed Evans for only 2 years, I don't think it's a bad idea to entertain the option of this kid. I usually wait until this Combine nonsense to ferret it's way out, before I start reading up on the draft prospects.
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CannonFire wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:49 pm
Doctor wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:43 am
For real.

If you thought draft groupie dogma was ridiculous before, forgot the part where it ends in ritual cannibalism.
Or... you failed reading comprehension in school. :D
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:09 pm
CannonFire wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:49 pm

Or... you failed reading comprehension in school. :D
No, for three reasons: A, I'm not that lucky. Two, we use smoke detectors and D, we live on the most boring street in the whole United States of America, where nothing even remotely dangerous will ever happen. Period.
"A, 2, D", LOL Nice!
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Seems like a pretty fair deal for both sides. Hopefully this will enable him to retire as a Buc. It will be good to keep his leadership, experience, and grit in the locker room.
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