Mike Evans Signed

[Babeinbucland]

As well, some people hate change. It is a lot to uproot yourself from a team you love, a home you feel at home in and walking into a new locker room. So yeah, it is absolutely 100% not about the JUST about the money for some.

Who are these players taking less? Name them.

You name who the players are that are not taking less

[Bootz]

Who are these players taking less? Name them.

You name who the players are that are not taking less

So you got nothing, just talking out of your ass again. Good to know.

[Babeinbucland]

You name who the players are that are not taking less

So you got nothing, just talking out of your ass again. Good to know.

You ask me such a plebeian question as if there is no answer. But we alllll know should any answer be provided you will twist it to dismiss, denigrate and discredit it. I have no time for those sort of games. The answer I gave you is exactly the kind of answer your disingenuous question deserved. And when I wouldn’t play, you took the lazy way out and went for crass. Of course you did.

[Bootz]

So you got nothing, just talking out of your ass again. Good to know.

You ask me such a plebeian question as if there is no answer. But we alllll know should any answer be provided you will twist it to dismiss, denigrate and discredit it. I have no time for those sort of games. The answer I gave you is exactly the kind of answer your disingenuous question deserved. And when I wouldn’t play, you took the lazy way out and went for crass. Of course you did.

Your words....

As well, some people hate change. It is a lot to uproot yourself from a team you love, a home you feel at home in and walking into a new locker room. So yeah, it is absolutely 100% not about the JUST about the money for some.

All you had to do was name an instance that supported your position here. Instead you chose to admit that you made it up by hiding behind some false notion.

[mdb1958]

1 to 2 mil contracts walk because someone wants to buy a Bentley.

[Terry Tate]

Don't believe in drafting for need. With that said this draft is thick at WR.

I tend to agree. We would have a log jam at WR with Evans, Godwin and Palmer. Ideally, I'd want a speed guy to work the space that gets left in the wake of Evans. A guy who take a checkdown for yardage with the ability to develop into a more and take over for Evans or Godwin down the road.

I think it's more likely that we target a replacement for Devin White, Logan Hall, Shaq or a DB. WR is deep in this class but there are going to be talented guys at the other positions at the end of the first.

[Doctor]

As well, some people hate change. It is a lot to uproot yourself from a team you love, a home you feel at home in and walking into a new locker room. So yeah, it is absolutely 100% not about the JUST about the money for some.

Who are these players taking less? Name them.

Baker already did. Could've gotten more money but locked on the bench.

[Doctor]

Don't believe in drafting for need. With that said this draft is thick at WR.

I tend to agree. We would have a log jam at WR with Evans, Godwin and Palmer. Ideally, I'd want a speed guy to work the space that gets left in the wake of Evans. A guy who take a checkdown for yardage with the ability to develop into a more and take over for Evans or Godwin down the road.

I think it's more likely that we target a replacement for Devin White, Logan Hall, Shaq or a DB. WR is deep in this class but there are going to be talented guys at the other positions at the end of the first.

You use the draft to grab stars. I don't care if the kid is 4th behind a tagged Evans, Godwin, and Palmer and barely contributing. The very next year could be him and Palmer outside. And the next 3 years.

[Jonny]

THIS is why you don't take discounts. Even when teams sign you to a contract, they dishonor the agreement they made if they see fit. Any player who takes a discount is a FOOL.

Russell Wilson did not take any discounts. He's stuck in a situation with an organization that doesn't want him and a vocal fan base that thinks he sucks.

Evans is treated like a demigod in Tampa.

[Grahamburn]

Who are these players taking less? Name them.

Baker already did. Could've gotten more money but locked on the bench.

Bunch of guys on this roster took less to stay. Dean, CD, LVD.

[Phantom]

Will you guys be okay if the Bucs sign him to a
3 year with 4th year option, $20 million per year contract?

[Snake]

Will you guys be okay if the Bucs sign him to a
3 year with 4th year option, $20 million per year contract?

Spotrac has Evans looking at 4 yrs, $94,302,652 Avg. Salary: $23,575,663 at the moment. Their contracts are calculated looking at comparable producing players and their signed contracts.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-b ... ket-value/

Mike is 1-2 years older than players in his caliber who have recently signed deals. However, the cap continues to inflate each season. I think that's baked into the equation.

All told, I'd be happy about the deal you put forth. but I don't think Mike would be. It's basically the same deal they gave Godwin (3 yr/20m) 20 months ago. Godwin got 40m fully guaranteed. If I'm offering that to Mike, I'm making every cent guaranteed.

[Kress]

I love those In The Currents. Some of the best things the marketing team ever did.

[Bootz]

Let's not make this a thing.

4 years/$115mil, guarantee 2024 & 2025 at signing, 2026 guarantees later.

[kaimaru]

Also if anyone actually expects that Evans is considering taking a discount I'm gonna sell you @acmillis's Idaho beach front property

It's a pet peeve that people act like lakes don't have beaches. Redfish Lake, Idaho

[kaimaru]

@Bootz So, you're saying that 8 games in Baltimore where he will have to pay 1 million in state taxes on 25 million per year, that Evans 100% would not consider 23.5 from us for poorer weather, leaving a community he loves, going to a much harder division? Because this would be the definition of a hometown discount

[Bootz]

Also if anyone actually expects that Evans is considering taking a discount I'm gonna sell you @acmillis's Idaho beach front property

It's a pet peeve that people act like lakes don't have beaches. Redfish Lake, Idaho

Where's the house?

[Bootz]

@Bootz So, you're saying that 8 games in Baltimore where he will have to pay 1 million in state taxes on 25 million per year, that Evans 100% would not consider 23.5 from us for poorer weather, leaving a community he loves, going to a much harder division? Because this would be the definition of a hometown discount

Hometown discount is Baltimore offered me that 30mil/year and I decided stay in Tampa Bay for 25mil.

In the scenario you listed if Tampa Bay can't go up a mere 1.5mil to match as a gesture of good faith why would you want to stay?

[These Are The Days]

Let's not make this a thing.

4 years/$115mil, guarantee 2024 & 2025 at signing, 2026 guarantees later.

At this point, who am I to argue? He's the Buccaneer GOAT on offense. I would be so happy if this happened

[acmillis]

Also if anyone actually expects that Evans is considering taking a discount I'm gonna sell you @acmillis's Idaho beach front property

It's a pet peeve that people act like lakes don't have beaches. Redfish Lake, Idaho

Not familiar with Frank Ocean, huh?

[Kress]

That water looks cold. Like it was melting snow about 27 minutes ago.

[Terry Tate]

If a player is willing to take hometown discount, it doesn't make him an idiot. And hometown discount isn't exclusively about loyalty to a franchise, but also to a locker room full of familiar faces that you spent years with, an offensive system where you are the clear focal point and the alpha, and a familiar QB that knows how to get you the ball to continue building your legacy (the 1k streak).

It is Mike's prerogative if he takes a discount or not. But there would not be anything idiotic about him giving concessions. The variables in the decision equation aren't just $$ and length of contract.

Name me the last big name to take a discount. I'll wait.

Ok ya pillow biter, how about some guy named Thomas Edward Patrick Brady. I hear he did pretty good

[Bootz]

Name me the last big name to take a discount. I'll wait.

Ok ya pillow biter, how about some guy named Thomas Edward Patrick Brady. I hear he did pretty good

The guy who had fully guaranteed deals for basically the last decade of his career? You consider that as taking less? Yea, okay....

[Terry Tate]

Ok ya pillow biter, how about some guy named Thomas Edward Patrick Brady. I hear he did pretty good

The guy who had fully guaranteed deals for basically the last decade of his career? You consider that as taking less? Yea, okay....

Yeah, ok indeed. Compare his numbers to the highest paid QB's of his era. I'll wait.

[Bootz]

The guy who had fully guaranteed deals for basically the last decade of his career? You consider that as taking less? Yea, okay....

Yeah, ok indeed. Compare his numbers to the highest paid QB's of his era. I'll wait.

Tom Brady earned $332mil over 23 seasons from NFL contracts. That averages roughly $14.43mil/year. Keep in mind he was a 6th round pick in 2000. His 1st deal was a 3 yr/$866,000 deal. There's really only 2 guys who you can compare him with: Peyton Manning who was drafted in 1998 as the 1st overall pick and Drew Brees, drafted in 2001 as the 1st pick in the 2nd round.

Manning: $248mil over 18 seasons $13.77mil/year

Brees: $269mil over 20 seasons $13.45mil/year

So on average, even though his initial contract was significantly lower than both of his peers for the 1st 3 seasons of his career, Brady made MORE over the duration of their respective careers.

[kaimaru]

It's a pet peeve that people act like lakes don't have beaches. Redfish Lake, Idaho

Where's the house?

Fuck off douche. I will not look for rentals and housing for you disengaging ass

[Bootz]

Where's the house?

Fuck off douche. I will not look for rentals and housing for you disengaging ass

Meltdown=You know you don't have shit.
Thanks for the entertainment, kiddo.

[Snake]

“While Brady routinely took less money than his contemporaries — one analysis by Business Insider estimated he left $60 million-$100 million on the table — the effect it had on the Patriots' ability…”

https://sports.yahoo.com/would-the-patr ... 06268.html

[Terry Tate]

Yeah, ok indeed. Compare his numbers to the highest paid QB's of his era. I'll wait.

Tom Brady earned $332mil over 23 seasons from NFL contracts. That averages roughly $14.43mil/year. Keep in mind he was a 6th round pick in 2000. His 1st deal was a 3 yr/$866,000 deal. There's really only 2 guys who you can compare him with: Peyton Manning who was drafted in 1998 as the 1st overall pick and Drew Brees, drafted in 2001 as the 1st pick in the 2nd round.

Manning: $248mil over 18 seasons $13.77mil/year

Brees: $269mil over 20 seasons $13.45mil/year

So on average, even though his initial contract was significantly lower than both of his peers for the 1st 3 seasons of his career, Brady made MORE over the duration of their respective careers.

I just looked over the contracts for those guys, I was curious. Mannings last big contract before his neck injury was in 2012, meaning it was a relative bargain compared to what guys were getting during the years after he retired and Brady still played. Brees took a few hometown discounts too I think, his numbers don't measure up to the top dollar contracts. All his contracts from 2012 to retirement were 20 to 25 mill a year. Brady's contracts signed after that were anywhere from 9 million a year to 25. His last contract with us was for 15 million.

By comparison, Aaron Rodgers last few contracts with Green Bay ranged from 33 mill a year to 50 million a year. Big Ben's last big contract was for 34 a year. Even Matty Ice was making 30 mill a year.

So yeah, Brady absolutely 100% signed at a discount to help his team. I mean, the 3 year deal he signed in 2015 was for 9 million a year. 9 million, that's like Josh Freeman money.

To sum up, you're wrong. Everyone knew it, and you should move on with your day.

This lesson was free

[Bootz]

Tom Brady earned $332mil over 23 seasons from NFL contracts. That averages roughly $14.43mil/year. Keep in mind he was a 6th round pick in 2000. His 1st deal was a 3 yr/$866,000 deal. There's really only 2 guys who you can compare him with: Peyton Manning who was drafted in 1998 as the 1st overall pick and Drew Brees, drafted in 2001 as the 1st pick in the 2nd round.

Manning: $248mil over 18 seasons $13.77mil/year

Brees: $269mil over 20 seasons $13.45mil/year

So on average, even though his initial contract was significantly lower than both of his peers for the 1st 3 seasons of his career, Brady made MORE over the duration of their respective careers.

I just looked over the contracts for those guys, I was curious. Mannings last big contract before his neck injury was in 2012, meaning it was a relative bargain compared to what guys were getting during the years after he retired and Brady still played. Brees took a few hometown discounts too I think, his numbers don't measure up to the top dollar contracts. All his contracts from 2012 to retirement were 20 to 25 mill a year. Brady's contracts signed after that were anywhere from 9 million a year to 25. His last contract with us was for 15 million.

By comparison, Aaron Rodgers last few contracts with Green Bay ranged from 33 mill a year to 50 million a year. Big Ben's last big contract was for 34 a year. Even Matty Ice was making 30 mill a year.

So yeah, Brady absolutely 100% signed at a discount to help his team. I mean, the 3 year deal he signed in 2015 was for 9 million a year. 9 million, that's like Josh Freeman money.

To sum up, you're wrong. Everyone knew it, and you should move on with your day.

This lesson was free

Rodgers, Ben, Matty were all from a much different era. An era in which the salary cap was more than $100mil and teams could afford to pay QBs that much. That's not a fair comparison. You're talking about Brady signing deals at a time where teams never expected QBs to play consistently well into their 30s. Those guys historically got way less. It took a combination of QBs showing they could sustain their level of play late into their careers plus, and this is what you're ignoring, a significant increase to the salary cap via the revenue sharing and CBA.

The reason you were so eager to jump to an inaccurate conclusion is because you know you purposely left out a ton of data and created an incomplete, inaccurate position. Your fabrication doesn't make you correct.

[Terry Tate]

I just looked over the contracts for those guys, I was curious. Mannings last big contract before his neck injury was in 2012, meaning it was a relative bargain compared to what guys were getting during the years after he retired and Brady still played. Brees took a few hometown discounts too I think, his numbers don't measure up to the top dollar contracts. All his contracts from 2012 to retirement were 20 to 25 mill a year. Brady's contracts signed after that were anywhere from 9 million a year to 25. His last contract with us was for 15 million.

By comparison, Aaron Rodgers last few contracts with Green Bay ranged from 33 mill a year to 50 million a year. Big Ben's last big contract was for 34 a year. Even Matty Ice was making 30 mill a year.

So yeah, Brady absolutely 100% signed at a discount to help his team. I mean, the 3 year deal he signed in 2015 was for 9 million a year. 9 million, that's like Josh Freeman money.

To sum up, you're wrong. Everyone knew it, and you should move on with your day.

This lesson was free

Rodgers, Ben, Matty were all from a much different era. An era in which the salary cap was more than $100mil and teams could afford to pay QBs that much. That's not a fair comparison. You're talking about Brady signing deals at a time where teams never expected QBs to play consistently well into their 30s. Those guys historically got way less. It took a combination of QBs showing they could sustain their level of play late into their careers plus, and this is what you're ignoring, a significant increase to the salary cap via the revenue sharing and CBA.

The reason you were so eager to jump to an inaccurate conclusion is because you know you purposely left out a ton of data and created an incomplete, inaccurate position. Your fabrication doesn't make you correct.

He signed a 9 mill a year contract coming off of an AFC championship game appearance. He had an existing contract for more and took a paycut to help the team get a title. You have no point.

[IronDog]

Pay him. Pay that man his money.

Do it right, man. Type it with John Malcovic's accent from that excellent movie. Matt Damon does a fairly good imitation.

[IronDog]

That's unfair to say. Some people are about more than just money. You don't know what Mike's about yet you're gonna go and call him an idiot if he takes a discount to stay where he is? Fuck off with that shit.

Miss me with all that team loyalty discount shit. Money is the only way respect is shown in this league if you're being honest with yourself. My gut tells me Mike knows this and we lowballed him. Otherwise he would've signed for whatever we offered.

Players need to know their worth and get as much as they can because as soon as you are no longer valuable to the team, they cast you out.

Is that what Brady did all those years?

[Grahamburn]

Pay him. Pay that man his money.

Do it right, man. Type it with John Malcovic's accent from that excellent movie. Matt Damon does a fairly good imitation.

You heard it properly in your head.

[IronDog]

Do it right, man. Type it with John Malcovic's accent from that excellent movie. Matt Damon does a fairly good imitation.

You heard it properly in your head.

I'll accept that. Well done.