And yet there are posters who think that the cure for the running game is to draft/sign another running back.Bootz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:31 am2020-2021 it wasn't a matter of "couldn't" because we absolutely could. We didn't because Bruce Arians preferred to air it out with all of the weapons he had. Brady throwing to Evans, Godwin, AB, Gronk, Brate.
2020 we averaged 4.1 ypc. 2021 it went up to 4.3. But in terms of attempts we ranked 29th in 2020 and 31st in 2021. Our identity was passing the ball and we did that well.
Meanwhile 2022-2023 we've ranked dead last at 3.4 ypc. NOW we CANT run it. We knew that in 2022 after Marpet retired, Jensen got hurt and Goedeke bombed at LG. So our solution? Fire Leftwich, move Wirfs to LT, move Goedeke to RT, keep Hainsey at C, put a rookie OT at RG and John Doe at LG. Results were similar if not worse and to this point not much will change in 2024.
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GreatTimes wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:54 pmAnd yet there are posters who think that the cure for the running game is to draft/sign another running back.Bootz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:31 am
2020-2021 it wasn't a matter of "couldn't" because we absolutely could. We didn't because Bruce Arians preferred to air it out with all of the weapons he had. Brady throwing to Evans, Godwin, AB, Gronk, Brate.
2020 we averaged 4.1 ypc. 2021 it went up to 4.3. But in terms of attempts we ranked 29th in 2020 and 31st in 2021. Our identity was passing the ball and we did that well.
Meanwhile 2022-2023 we've ranked dead last at 3.4 ypc. NOW we CANT run it. We knew that in 2022 after Marpet retired, Jensen got hurt and Goedeke bombed at LG. So our solution? Fire Leftwich, move Wirfs to LT, move Goedeke to RT, keep Hainsey at C, put a rookie OT at RG and John Doe at LG. Results were similar if not worse and to this point not much will change in 2024.
There is no one cure to boosting the running game. Adding another back helps, and it had insurance in case of injury. We absolutely need at least one out of a guard or center. I wouldn't be upset with both. Last but not least is coaching and scheme. It takes a lot of work to get an OL working together correctly. It also helps to run an offense to keep a defense on it's toes. We don't need to be able to run on the 85 Bears but it helps if the passing game and playcalling can keep them from know when and where we are going to run with regularity.
This is all basic stuff, I am not sure what the discussion is.
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From Lamar to Tua?
The Miami Dolphins made a contract offer to wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. last week, coach Mike McDaniel said Monday during the NFL's league meetings in Orlando, Florida.
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OBJ still being a worthwhile player in this league is pretty impressive. Rise, fall, and rise again.
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Buc fans that talk NFL all day long - off season in a nutshell.
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streeeeeetch there.
His ranks in 2023 when he was extremely overpaid:
He ranked 75th in yards, 98th in targets, 121st in receptions, tied for 82nd in TDs.
He is the definition of a JAG. He's living off of things he did LITERALLY a decade ago. Unless he's willing to sign for the vet minimum, if I'm a GM, the only way I'm giving him an offer is Sep-Dec if someone gets hurt.
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I hear you. He’s no longer dominant. But:acmillis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:21 pmstreeeeeetch there.
His ranks in 2023 when he was extremely overpaid:
He ranked 75th in yards, 98th in targets, 121st in receptions, tied for 82nd in TDs.
He is the definition of a JAG. He's living off of things he did LITERALLY a decade ago. Unless he's willing to sign for the vet minimum, if I'm a GM, the only way I'm giving him an offer is Sep-Dec if someone gets hurt.
the average NFL offensive play has three wide receivers on the field at least. Meaning a third receiver is a starter in this league. His numbers are right there. #3 WR.
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That's what he was for Baltimore and would be for any team.Snake wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:20 pmI hear you. He’s no longer dominant. But:acmillis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:21 pm
streeeeeetch there.
His ranks in 2023 when he was extremely overpaid:
He ranked 75th in yards, 98th in targets, 121st in receptions, tied for 82nd in TDs.
He is the definition of a JAG. He's living off of things he did LITERALLY a decade ago. Unless he's willing to sign for the vet minimum, if I'm a GM, the only way I'm giving him an offer is Sep-Dec if someone gets hurt.
the average NFL offensive play has three wide receivers on the field at least. Meaning a third receiver is a starter in this league. His numbers are right there. #3 WR.
You could certainly do much worse than having OBJ as your #3 WR. Just looking around the league, he'd be an upgrade for most teams at that spot. This team included.
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Looking at the ranks it looks like he has become Scotty Miller. High YPC but low volumeSnake wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:20 pmI hear you. He’s no longer dominant. But:acmillis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:21 pm
streeeeeetch there.
His ranks in 2023 when he was extremely overpaid:
He ranked 75th in yards, 98th in targets, 121st in receptions, tied for 82nd in TDs.
He is the definition of a JAG. He's living off of things he did LITERALLY a decade ago. Unless he's willing to sign for the vet minimum, if I'm a GM, the only way I'm giving him an offer is Sep-Dec if someone gets hurt.
the average NFL offensive play has three wide receivers on the field at least. Meaning a third receiver is a starter in this league. His numbers are right there. #3 WR.
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Factor in the $15M, and I'm pretty sure we know who got the better of that particular transaction. Give me Trey Palmer for about $950k. I wouldn't pay OBJ $1.5M much less $15M.acmillis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:21 pmstreeeeeetch there.
His ranks in 2023 when he was extremely overpaid:
He ranked 75th in yards, 98th in targets, 121st in receptions, tied for 82nd in TDs.
He is the definition of a JAG. He's living off of things he did LITERALLY a decade ago. Unless he's willing to sign for the vet minimum, if I'm a GM, the only way I'm giving him an offer is Sep-Dec if someone gets hurt.
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@Phantom Dammit. I would've done this.
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Damn it!!!. Come on Bucs jeez
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Who is the quarterback for the Broncos? None?
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What's the obsession with overpaying mediocre WRs? There might be 20+ WRs worthy of being drafted who could get you 600 yards every 4 years.
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You really are turning into a poor man's version of Doc with vague statements that can't be proven or disproven so you think it makes you sound smart.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:09 pm What's the obsession with overpaying mediocre WRs? There might be 20+ WRs worthy of being drafted who could get you 600 yards every 4 years.
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Agree.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:09 pm What's the obsession with overpaying mediocre WRs? There might be 20+ WRs worthy of being drafted who could get you 600 yards every 4 years.
Mid tier WRs are available by the dozens in the draft. Spending money on a mid tier WR3 is not a winning strategy
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Ok. I'll be more specific. Just give Trey Palmer more opportunities. He didn't get a start until week 7. He had 385 yards as a rookie last year. He can be everything Reynolds can be but with upside for $6M less a year.Bootz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:24 pmYou really are turning into a poor man's version of Doc with vague statements that can't be proven or disproven so you think it makes you sound smart.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:09 pm What's the obsession with overpaying mediocre WRs? There might be 20+ WRs worthy of being drafted who could get you 600 yards every 4 years.
Reynolds' upside is 600 yards. Why would you pay $14M on a two year deal for that? We need another Russell Gage?
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Are you kidding me? Take a close look at the Bucs' wide receiver depth. It seems like you haven't seen Josh Reynolds play. But yeah he had several big touchdown passes dropped in the playoffs. Solid 3rd WRsGrahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:09 pm What's the obsession with overpaying mediocre WRs? There might be 20+ WRs worthy of being drafted who could get you 600 yards every 4 years.
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At least he is not turning in to @Bootz with silly statements that can be easily disproven and ignored.Bootz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:24 pmYou really are turning into a poor man's version of Doc with vague statements that can't be proven or disproven so you think it makes you sound smart.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:09 pm What's the obsession with overpaying mediocre WRs? There might be 20+ WRs worthy of being drafted who could get you 600 yards every 4 years.
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This is the deepest WR draft I think I've ever seen. I would draft one this year. As of now we go three deep pretty well at WR.Phantom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:46 pmAre you kidding me? Take a close look at the Bucs' wide receiver depth. It seems like you haven't seen Josh Reynolds play. But yeah he had several big touchdown passes dropped in the playoffs. Solid 3rd WRsGrahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:09 pm What's the obsession with overpaying mediocre WRs? There might be 20+ WRs worthy of being drafted who could get you 600 yards every 4 years.
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The point is that we need to bring in veteran wide receivers because we can't depend solely on rookies. Bucs top 3 WRs are solid but the rest is a joke If you're content with Thompkins as your 3rd or 4th WR, then you are crazy Graham
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Palmer is our 3rd WR. He showed he belongs. Evans and Godwin are pretty close to the highest paid WR duo in the NFL. If not the highest. Adding another expensive player there isn't smart.
They can also draft someone to groom behind those guys in what is an extremely deep draft at the position.
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I am aware that Palmer is our third wide receiver, which is why I mentioned top 3 WRs in depth. I'm using Thompkins as example.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:08 pmPalmer is our 3rd WR. He showed he belongs. Evans and Godwin are pretty close to the highest paid WR duo in the NFL. If not the highest. Adding another expensive player there isn't smart.
They can also draft someone to groom behind those guys in what is an extremely deep draft at the position.
God forbid if Evans or Godwin were to get injured,
who would be able to step in and fill their roles?
It would likely be Palmer and another player.
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You can say that for almost every position group on every team in the NFL. If your expensive players get hurt you’re probably in trouble.Phantom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:16 pmI am aware that Palmer is our third wide receiver, which is why I mentioned top 3 WRs in depth. I'm using Thompkins as example.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:08 pm
Palmer is our 3rd WR. He showed he belongs. Evans and Godwin are pretty close to the highest paid WR duo in the NFL. If not the highest. Adding another expensive player there isn't smart.
They can also draft someone to groom behind those guys in what is an extremely deep draft at the position.
God forbid if Evans or Godwin were to get injured,
who would be able to step in and fill their roles?
It would likely be Palmer and another player.
No team can afford $7M a year backups everywhere.
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Godwin is an FA next year. This may be the draft to find his replacement instead of using cap to re-sign him... That being said we have other pressing needs to address. Ideally if we're going to replace him we'd like to groom a 3rd round or later pick for a year... Like we did with Godwin.
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A WR who averaged less than 10 yards/catch showed he belongs??Grahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:08 pmPalmer is our 3rd WR. He showed he belongs. Evans and Godwin are pretty close to the highest paid WR duo in the NFL. If not the highest. Adding another expensive player there isn't smart.
They can also draft someone to groom behind those guys in what is an extremely deep draft at the position.
When Godwin & Evans were among the highest paid WRs, Licht had no issues giving Russell Gage $10mil a year, $20mil guaranteed. You can argue with the result all you want in hindsight but clearly he saw WR as being a need area.
No arguments about this draft being deep. But you're pretending that finding a good WR is a guarantee without providing a name. Another example of you offering extremely vague POVs.
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WR 1:
On 64 targets
35 rec 565 yards 16.1 ypc 3 TDs
"Not worthy any money
WR 2:
On 64 targets
40 rec 608 yards 15.2 ypc 3 TDs
"Mediocre"
WR 3:
On 68 targets
39 rec 385 yards 9.9 ypc 3 TDs
"Showed he belongs"
All this according to @Grahamburn
On 64 targets
35 rec 565 yards 16.1 ypc 3 TDs
"Not worthy any money
WR 2:
On 64 targets
40 rec 608 yards 15.2 ypc 3 TDs
"Mediocre"
WR 3:
On 68 targets
39 rec 385 yards 9.9 ypc 3 TDs
"Showed he belongs"
All this according to @Grahamburn
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Is it sad that I immediately knew Odell Beckham was the first one and Trey Palmer was the last one?