Myles Garrett

[Phantom]

He expressed his disinterest in another rebuild and wants to play for contender, which suggests he might request a trade.

Let the fun rumors begin!

I’m going to stay loyal to a team that showed loyalty to me and faith in me by drafting me. But we have to do, at the end of the day, what’s best for us.”

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2024/ ... -trade-ask

[Snake]

Fuck the browns.

[BuccaNOLEer]

Way too expensive.

[NeezDuts]

Look our ends had like 2 sacks this year lol. He’s worth the cash

[Grahamburn]

The cash is not the issue.

[real bucs fan]

What’s our cap situation looking like?

[Snake]

Garrett
Kancey
Vea
Diaby

Pretty obvious they should do this.

[Grahamburn]

Browns DE Myles Garrett: 14 sacks, 494 pass plays, 17 coverage drops – 3.4% rate

He doesn’t drop into coverage enough to fit here. 3.4%?! Pfft. Pass.

Diaby was 17%. No wonder they don't get any fucking sacks.

[Grahamburn]

Bengals DE Trey Hendrickson: 17.5 sacks, 550 pass plays, 36 coverage drops – 6.5% rate
Browns DE Myles Garrett: 14 sacks, 494 pass plays, 17 coverage drops – 3.4% rate
Commanders OLB Dante Fowler: 10.5 sacks, 379 pass plays, 25 coverage drops – 6.6% rate
Texans DE Danielle Hunter: 12 sacks, 538 pass plays, 7 coverage drops – 1.3% rate
Texans DE Will Anderson: 11 sacks, 402 pass plays, 10 coverage drops – 2.5% rate
Raiders DE Maxx Crosby: 7.5 sacks – 471 pass plays, 9 pass drops – 1.9% coverage rate

My God. All of them. All these guys we drool over. They RUSH. I knew it was bad but not this bad. Our guys are dropping into coverage on zone blitzes at a 20% clip and we get torched at it. Out of his depth.

[Obsolete]

Is this where we nominate?

[Bootz]

Browns DE Myles Garrett: 14 sacks, 494 pass plays, 17 coverage drops – 3.4% rate

He doesn’t drop into coverage enough to fit here. 3.4%?! Pfft. Pass.

Diaby was 17%. No wonder they don't get any fucking sacks.

Vikings OLB Andrew Van Ginkle: 11.5 sacks, 436 pass rush snaps, 212 pass drops - 48.6% coverage rate

Vikings OLB Johnathan Greenard: 12 sacks, 557 pass rush snaps, 93 pass drops - 16.6% coverage rate

Vikings OLB Dallas Turner: 3.0 sacks, 151 pass rush snaps, 51 pass drops - 33.7% coverage rate

Rams OLB Byron Young: 7.5 sacks, 434 pass rush snaps, 153 pass drops - 36% coverage rate

Rams OLB/DT Michael Hoecht: 3.0 sacks, 254 pass rush snaps, 156 pass drops - 61.4% coverage rate


Seems it's not dropping into coverage that keeps edge rushers from sacks.

Also you'd hate it if Brian Flores or Chris Shula, who both went to the playoffs, were our DC. Guessing their out of their depth too, huh.

[Grahamburn]

I’m guessing those guys wouldn’t ask guys that are bad in coverage to cover.

[Doctor]

Bootz, you can't compare LBs to LBs, you debunk their whole manufactured outrage.

[Grahamburn]

Using Van Ginkel is just so disingenuous. He's an excellent coverage player and is used in coverage more than any other OLB in the entire damn league. Nobody would be complaining if Bowles was putting Van Ginkel in coverage because he's freaking good at it. Diaby isn't.

That's why there's "manufactured outrage."

[Bootz]

I’m guessing those guys wouldn’t ask guys that are bad in coverage to cover.

You're right. They'd just replace them. Thats why Hunter is in Houston now and Greenard is in Minnesota. Edge rushers cover in Flores' system, Hunter couldn't do it last year so they let him walk. Greenard was a better fit and both guys ended up with 12 sacks.

[Bootz]

Using Van Ginkel is just so disingenuous. He's an excellent coverage player and is used in coverage more than any other OLB in the entire damn league. Nobody would be complaining if Bowles was putting Van Ginkel in coverage because he's freaking good at it. Diaby isn't.

That's why there's "manufactured outrage."

How's it disingenuous? Guy drops into coverage nearly 50% of the time and he had 11.5 sacks. Your argument was that Diaby never got sacks because of the 17% coverage rate he has. That's inaccurate on your part.

[Grahamburn]

Using Van Ginkel is just so disingenuous. He's an excellent coverage player and is used in coverage more than any other OLB in the entire damn league. Nobody would be complaining if Bowles was putting Van Ginkel in coverage because he's freaking good at it. Diaby isn't.

That's why there's "manufactured outrage."

How's it disingenuous? Guy drops into coverage nearly 50% of the time and he had 11.5 sacks. Your argument was that Diaby never got sacks because of the 17% coverage rate he has. That's inaccurate on your part.

My argument is he isn't good at it and shouldn't be used that way, AND if he was rushing the passer more often it would generate more sacks. Wouldn't you agree?

[Sooner06]

Obviously, getting Myles would be amazing. Just think he'll be way too pricey.



Trey Hendrickson might be a more cost-effective option though. I've heard that CIN will be hard pressed to re-sign him, and may need to trade him. Currently getting about $15M/yr.

[Bootz]

Obviously, getting Myles would be amazing. Just think he'll be way too pricey.



Trey Hendrickson might be a more cost-effective option though. I've heard that CIN will be hard pressed to re-sign him, and may need to trade him. Currently getting about $15M/yr.

The Bengals are never hard pressed to sign or re-sign anybody. Mike Brown is notoriously cheap. If they don't want Hendrickson it won't be because they can't afford him.

[Sooner06]

Obviously, getting Myles would be amazing. Just think he'll be way too pricey.



Trey Hendrickson might be a more cost-effective option though. I've heard that CIN will be hard pressed to re-sign him, and may need to trade him. Currently getting about $15M/yr.

The Bengals are never hard pressed to sign or re-sign anybody. Mike Brown is notoriously cheap. If they don't want Hendrickson it won't be because they can't afford him.

I heard that Brown is the 'poorest' owner in the league. I don't pay any attention to that sort of thing, so maybe it's just conjecture. Regardless, CIN may be dealing Trey this offseason, or at least that's the rumor I've read a few times this season.

[Phantom]

The Bengals are never hard pressed to sign or re-sign anybody. Mike Brown is notoriously cheap. If they don't want Hendrickson it won't be because they can't afford him.

I heard that Brown is the 'poorest' owner in the league. I don't pay any attention to that sort of thing, so maybe it's just conjecture. Regardless, CIN may be dealing Trey this offseason, or at least that's the rumor I've read a few times this season.

Remind me of Hugh Culverhouse

[mdb1958]

Obviously, getting Myles would be amazing. Just think he'll be way too pricey.



Trey Hendrickson might be a more cost-effective option though. I've heard that CIN will be hard pressed to re-sign him, and may need to trade him. Currently getting about $15M/yr.

Are we becoming a 4-3 defense? Are they going to be able to stunt with our 3-4 DE's?

Just what type of OLB's will we be looking for?

[Sooner06]

Obviously, getting Myles would be amazing. Just think he'll be way too pricey.



Trey Hendrickson might be a more cost-effective option though. I've heard that CIN will be hard pressed to re-sign him, and may need to trade him. Currently getting about $15M/yr.

Are we becoming a 4-3 defense? Are they going to be able to stunt with our 3-4 DE's?

Do we believe that Trey can't play in a 3-4? I didn't know that. If that's the case, then I rescind my suggestion.

[Grahamburn]

I’m guessing those guys wouldn’t ask guys that are bad in coverage to cover.

You're right. They'd just replace them. Thats why Hunter is in Houston now and Greenard is in Minnesota. Edge rushers cover in Flores' system, Hunter couldn't do it last year so they let him walk. Greenard was a better fit and both guys ended up with 12 sacks.

We're getting somewhere...

[mdb1958]

Are we becoming a 4-3 defense? Are they going to be able to stunt with our 3-4 DE's?

Do we believe that Trey can't play in a 3-4? I didn't know that. If that's the case, then I rescind my suggestion.

Are we incapable of building our own 4 man rush, I always think that would be the best way to go.

[Sooner06]

Do we believe that Trey can't play in a 3-4? I didn't know that. If that's the case, then I rescind my suggestion.

Are we incapable of building our own 4 man rush, I always think that would be the best way to go.

? So you're plan is that TB draft and hope to develop a top-tier pass-rusher over the offseason? I think I'm confused as to exactly what it is we're trying to do here.

[mdb1958]

Are we incapable of building our own 4 man rush, I always think that would be the best way to go.

? So you're plan is that TB draft and hope to develop a top-tier pass-rusher over the offseason? I think I'm confused as to exactly what it is we're trying to do here.

The best four man pressure in the league would be nice and then build off of that.

[Grahamburn]

Now that this is official I will daydream about it and wonder what it would cost to retain his services? #19 plus next years' first? He also needs an extension.

And, do we meet his criteria for competing for a Super Bowl? I do think the Browns will give him some say in destination.

[Bootz]

GET IT DONE

[Bootz]

This has me excited and this is a MAJOR happening. Game changing players don't request trades in their prime. I can't recall the last time this happened. Whoever gets him, and I'll be honest I want it to be us, will get a substantial upgrade.

Maybe when we traded for Revis?

[Grahamburn]

This has me excited and this is a MAJOR happening. Game changing players don't request trades in their prime. I can't recall the last time this happened. Whoever gets him, and I'll be honest I want it to be us, will get a substantial upgrade.

Maybe when we traded for Revis?

Lamar just requested one a couple seasons ago, but that was for contract leverage. This does not feel that way.

[Primeminister]

Myles Garrett and Luka Doncic both in different teams next year. WTF is happening?

GET. IT. DONE. Give them whatever they need

[Bootz]

This has me excited and this is a MAJOR happening. Game changing players don't request trades in their prime. I can't recall the last time this happened. Whoever gets him, and I'll be honest I want it to be us, will get a substantial upgrade.

Maybe when we traded for Revis?

Lamar just requested one a couple seasons ago, but that was for contract leverage. This does not feel that way.

This is completely different from that. Lamar was upset because he wasn't getting what he felt was a fair deal. Everybody knew he was going to be a Raven.

Garrett just essentially did the equivalent of taking out a full page ad to thank the city of Cleveland for the years but his future won't be there. He wants out because he wants to win and he doesn't see that happening in Cleveland. There's no chance he plays another down for them and money won't solve that problem.

[Kona]

How good is Myles in coverage?

[Sdbucs]

Again this would be a move almost as big as Brady to Tampa. Not quite as big but a big #2 in this franchise history.

We immediately become a true contender.