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I wouldn't say I see prime Haynesworth. I see a guy whose game is very Haynesworthian, and whether he becomes Good Haynesworth or Horrible Haynesworth is a matter of debate. His film is far more docile than the hype machine would have led me to believe.
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Brandon Smith
LB Penn State
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Jermaine Johnson
EDGE Florida State
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Isaiah Thomas
EDGE Oklahoma
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Zachary Carter
DT Florida
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Travis Jones
DT Connecticut
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Steven Gilmore
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Trey McBride
TE Colorado State
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Kolby Harvell-Peel
S Oklahoma State
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DeAngelo Malone
EDGE Western Kentucky
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Logan Hall
DT Houston
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Zyon McCollum
CB Sam Houston State
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Brandon Smith
LB Penn State
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Jermaine Johnson
EDGE Florida State
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Isaiah Thomas
EDGE Oklahoma
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Zachary Carter
DT Florida
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Travis Jones
DT Connecticut
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Steven Gilmore
CB Marshall
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Trey McBride
TE Colorado State
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Kolby Harvell-Peel
S Oklahoma State
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DeAngelo Malone
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Logan Hall
DT Houston
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Damn, Cheb bringing the hard truths.
I'm throwing another Husker out there - sort of.
Wan'Dale Robinson is the most dynamic/effective weapon we've had since Ameer Abdullah. He transferred out (like SO MANY others under Frost) and did work for Kentucky this year. He's 5'11 185, and he can comfortably line up as a traditional running back (especially in a spread), in the slot, and anywhere in-between. He's a perfect "satellite" type hybrid for today's game. He's not Alvin Kamara, but he could be a poor man's Kamara, which is still a helluva thing for a guy likely to go in the 3rd-4th.
I would love to target him as a potential 3rd down back to compliment Fournette going forward. Darden is similar, but Robinson can actually function as a running back.
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I have long been of the opinion that physical measureables such as height and weight are largely irrelevant in the NFL. Most of the time, if you can play, you can play.MJW wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:59 pmDamn, Cheb bringing the hard truths.
I'm throwing another Husker out there - sort of.
Wan'Dale Robinson is the most dynamic/effective weapon we've had since Ameer Abdullah. He transferred out (like SO MANY others under Frost) and did work for Kentucky this year. He's 5'11 185, and he can comfortably line up as a traditional running back (especially in a spread), in the slot, and anywhere in-between. He's a perfect "satellite" type hybrid for today's game. He's not Alvin Kamara, but he could be a poor man's Kamara, which is still a helluva thing for a guy likely to go in the 3rd-4th.
I would love to target him as a potential 3rd down back to compliment Fournette going forward. Darden is similar, but Robinson can actually function as a running back.
However, I make an exception to this rule with weight and NFL running backs. If you are less than 200 pounds, you cannot be a NFL running back, full stop. The reason for that is not because you can't hold up to the wear and tear that NFL runners have to push through, although that's probably also true. The reason I believe that is because eventually, you are going to be tasked with blocking a pass rusher, and it isn't always going to be a guy your size like a slot corner. An NFL defensive end will blow through a 185 pound running back like he was barely there, regardless of that back's strength or technique. Especially if you are a third down specialist, you NEED to be able to block. So for that reason, I'd have to nix the idea of Robinson as an NFL running back. He would get Tom Brady killed.
That said, I like the player and I agree that Robinson could be an interesting gadget player in the passing game, especially if/when he refined his route running, although one could argue that if Robinson can't be a running back for us and Darden does the same things that he can, what's the point.
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Whole new defense. 3 trade downs
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40. Travon Walker DT Georgia - eventual 300 pounder
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60.Jermaine Johnson EDGE Florida State
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75.Kyler Gordon CB Washington
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92.Isaiah Thomas EDGE Oklahoma - eventual 300 pounder
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130.Logan Hall DT Houston - eventual 300 pounder
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170.Coby Bryant CB Cincinnati
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179.Kolby Harvell-Peel S Oklahoma State
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248.Cameron Thomas EDGE San Diego State
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259. Zyon McCollum CB Sam Houston State
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40. Travon Walker DT Georgia - eventual 300 pounder
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60.Jermaine Johnson EDGE Florida State
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75.Kyler Gordon CB Washington
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92.Isaiah Thomas EDGE Oklahoma - eventual 300 pounder
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130.Logan Hall DT Houston - eventual 300 pounder
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170.Coby Bryant CB Cincinnati
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179.Kolby Harvell-Peel S Oklahoma State
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248.Cameron Thomas EDGE San Diego State
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259. Zyon McCollum CB Sam Houston State
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Bowers TE from Georgia is pretty damn good
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Just read about a punter who seems like a generational talent. I would never recommend drafting a punter or place kicker but wow this guys is amazing.
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At the end of the draft you'd have to consider him if he is still there though
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After Alabama he drops some. Hey Cheb isnt this going to be a really big (size wise) draft because of all the seniors going back.
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I might draft him in the 5th-6th. He flips the field from anywhere. That’s a weapon.13F11B wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:49 pm Just read about a punter who seems like a generational talent. I would never recommend drafting a punter or place kicker but wow this guys is amazing.
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I generally feel the same way about drafting punters that I do kickers, but not nearly to the same degree. There isn't nearly the same level of variance between college success and pro success as with a kicker. A kicker drafted in the 4th Round is no more likely to hit a kick than an Undrafted Kicker asked to hit the same kick, based on every piece of data we have. But a punter who is great in college is almost always great in the NFL. That's not the only issue I have with drafting kickers, but it's one of the bigger ones.
The other big one is - how much does a punter actually affect the game? The answer surprised me. There's actually a pretty huge variance between a top punter and a poor punter in terms of yardage over the course of the season. It's tough to evaluate because of all the ancillary factors (kicks that didn't have high nets but landed within the 5, for examples.) But if you have the best punter in the league versus the league average, you're probably looking at a net yardage advantage over the course of a season over 500. If a running back were worth 500 more scrimmage yards than average, that's something you'd pay attention to. Again, it's much more nuanced than that, but still. There's value there.
The other big one is - how much does a punter actually affect the game? The answer surprised me. There's actually a pretty huge variance between a top punter and a poor punter in terms of yardage over the course of the season. It's tough to evaluate because of all the ancillary factors (kicks that didn't have high nets but landed within the 5, for examples.) But if you have the best punter in the league versus the league average, you're probably looking at a net yardage advantage over the course of a season over 500. If a running back were worth 500 more scrimmage yards than average, that's something you'd pay attention to. Again, it's much more nuanced than that, but still. There's value there.
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I think there are exceptions, or near exceptions - Danny Woodhead and Darren Sproles come to mind. But I understand your point. Here's the sticking point for me - willingness to block is at least as valuable as size, isn't it? I'm not saying Robinson is that guy (dunno), but Fournette is a minus blocker despite being 235 pounds. Sproles was a fantastic blocker at 190 (though he was oddly built.) CMC is 5'11 205 and one of the very best blockers in the league right now.Cheb wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:45 amI have long been of the opinion that physical measureables such as height and weight are largely irrelevant in the NFL. Most of the time, if you can play, you can play.MJW wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:59 pm
Damn, Cheb bringing the hard truths.
I'm throwing another Husker out there - sort of.
Wan'Dale Robinson is the most dynamic/effective weapon we've had since Ameer Abdullah. He transferred out (like SO MANY others under Frost) and did work for Kentucky this year. He's 5'11 185, and he can comfortably line up as a traditional running back (especially in a spread), in the slot, and anywhere in-between. He's a perfect "satellite" type hybrid for today's game. He's not Alvin Kamara, but he could be a poor man's Kamara, which is still a helluva thing for a guy likely to go in the 3rd-4th.
I would love to target him as a potential 3rd down back to compliment Fournette going forward. Darden is similar, but Robinson can actually function as a running back.
However, I make an exception to this rule with weight and NFL running backs. If you are less than 200 pounds, you cannot be a NFL running back, full stop. The reason for that is not because you can't hold up to the wear and tear that NFL runners have to push through, although that's probably also true. The reason I believe that is because eventually, you are going to be tasked with blocking a pass rusher, and it isn't always going to be a guy your size like a slot corner. An NFL defensive end will blow through a 185 pound running back like he was barely there, regardless of that back's strength or technique. Especially if you are a third down specialist, you NEED to be able to block. So for that reason, I'd have to nix the idea of Robinson as an NFL running back. He would get Tom Brady killed.
That said, I like the player and I agree that Robinson could be an interesting gadget player in the passing game, especially if/when he refined his route running, although one could argue that if Robinson can't be a running back for us and Darden does the same things that he can, what's the point.
I wouldn't take issue with your point, but I don't see it as a full stop. I think it can be a matter of individual evaluation.
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I think Aidan Hutchinson is better than Kayvon Thibodeaux. Just my opinion
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Floor is much higher IMHO. Hutchinson, at worst, will be a useful and productive player in the Chris Long mold. Chances are he ends up, ironically, like a Bosa Brother.
Thibodeaux has a higher ceiling, though. He could be an 18 sack kind of player in the league in the right situation. I believe that.
I'd be hard-pressed to say they're not 1-2 in this draft. But a lot can change. I remember 2011, when Da'Quan Bowers was the potential #1 overall pick.
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@MJW , what are your thoughts on JoJo Domann as a Bucs prospect? Maybe as a core special reamer and eventual replacement and understudy for LVD in 2023?
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Dameon Pierce RB Florida. Same athletic profile and skillet as Kamara. Not getting a lot of hype and could be had in the 3rd.
Daxton Hill CB/Safety Michigan. Highly versatile and athletic secondary player that can function as a chess piece in the defense.
Christian Harris LB Alabama. Great cover LB that is a shoe-in replacement for LVD. Pairs with White to continue the trend of having a great LB tandem.
Edit: Pure fun pick - Drake London. If we keep Godwin, it would be fun watching Evans and London on the outside with Godwin in the slot. London is such a fun player to watch and I'd be delighted if he's our #1 pick even if going WR isn't the "correct" position to select given the context of the team
Daxton Hill CB/Safety Michigan. Highly versatile and athletic secondary player that can function as a chess piece in the defense.
Christian Harris LB Alabama. Great cover LB that is a shoe-in replacement for LVD. Pairs with White to continue the trend of having a great LB tandem.
Edit: Pure fun pick - Drake London. If we keep Godwin, it would be fun watching Evans and London on the outside with Godwin in the slot. London is such a fun player to watch and I'd be delighted if he's our #1 pick even if going WR isn't the "correct" position to select given the context of the team
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Doesn't Travis Jones play a zero technique? Are you wanting him to split time with Vea? What about Perrion Winfrey, DT Oklahoma? Might be available at the end of round 1, and could be a replacement for Suh. While he hasn't been used as a 3 technique, he is projected as a 3 technique in the NFL. 6'3 292 40 tackles, 6 sacks and 16.5 TFL in 2 seasons.MJW wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:14 amHe'd be a dream in the Kong Suh role in this scheme. But he's a Top 15 pick, probably Top 10. Possibly, with great workouts, Top 5. Unless he completely bombs the process AND we lose out, he's not falling to us.ATrain wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:40 am I really really really want Jordan Davis in a Bucs uniform. Him and Vea on the field together could shift our whole defense around to a base 2-4-5 three high safety look that would be hard to run against and give our defense great protection against deep passes.
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Thoughts on our base defense looking like this in 2022?
Vea Davis
JTS White David Shaq
CD3 Dean
AWJ JW Mike
Y'all need to watch my guy from UConn if you're looking to fill that spot. Travis Jones. 6'4 330. 88 tackles and 8 sacks his last 2 seasons. If he can commit to conditioning (he showed up to college over 360) he's going to be a monster.
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Kyren Williams, RB Notre Dame is someone I would like, but he probably won't last late 3rd round. He has some elusiveness. Good hands. Can catch. His frame might be smaller than you would want, but since we never pound the rock all game long then why not.ATrain wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:11 am Dameon Pierce RB Florida. Same athletic profile and skillet as Kamara. Not getting a lot of hype and could be had in the 3rd.
Daxton Hill CB/Safety Michigan. Highly versatile and athletic secondary player that can function as a chess piece in the defense.
Christian Harris LB Alabama. Great cover LB that is a shoe-in replacement for LVD. Pairs with White to continue the trend of having a great LB tandem.
Edit: Pure fun pick - Drake London. If we keep Godwin, it would be fun watching Evans and London on the outside with Godwin in the slot. London is such a fun player to watch and I'd be delighted if he's our #1 pick even if going WR isn't the "correct" position to select given the context of the team
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Add Tyler Allgeier to the list. Dude has the same build and running style as Nick Chubb.
Also Treylon Burks WR Arkansas. Dude is a BEAST. He's got DK Metcalf levels of physical measurable. 6'3" 230lbs. Damn near a TE running around out there.
Also Treylon Burks WR Arkansas. Dude is a BEAST. He's got DK Metcalf levels of physical measurable. 6'3" 230lbs. Damn near a TE running around out there.
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Are there other linebackers with Brandon Smiths speed?
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@Cheb What can be done with Armani Rodgers - if anything?
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Can we reach a Jeffery Simmons and who are they?
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Do you mean in terms of a defensive lineman, or in terms of a guy with top five talent who falls because of injury?
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Well, it would need to be someone who could build up to or surprise to his level. I always hate the time talking about players we know will be on other teams.
I am also wondering who are the prime 260/270 candidates to beef up and move inside for us. I would take surprises there as well. These guys are going to grow in to men, we need some to play on our team.
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Also, I would imagine there could be some heavy set boys who get their NFL papers and run with them harder than anyone would realize. They get infused to be around great talent, get stronger and earn more playing time.
We are in need of players who will exceed expectations.
We are in need of players who will exceed expectations.
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What do you guys think of Matt Corral?