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Lots of rumors . ....

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>getting to “hangout” with NFL player
>consists of setting up his shitty IKEA desk and pc for 3 hours, for free
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Sounds great Lenny!
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Dolphins MO has always been to refuse to pay top price for top talent but then pay 90% price for 70% talent.
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This is interesting to me, because Lenny never struck me as a zone runner, but I'm assuming Mike McCoy will be importing the same ZBS they ran in San Fran.
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Crocaneers wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 2:04 pm Lots of rumors . ....

Perfect answer to Lenny’s tweet.

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Miami Lenny ain't exactly a great idea anymore
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Swashbuckler wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:03 am Miami Lenny ain't exactly a great idea anymore
We can do better
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I’d keep him. He showed legit ability as a pass catcher, and we need a run game to help keep Brady upright.
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Snake wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:17 am
Swashbuckler wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:03 am Miami Lenny ain't exactly a great idea anymore
We can do better
That's very possible but I don't know why they'd do us a favor. I'd welcome Fournette back with open arms. Ronald Jones on the other hand... God bless him but he can't pick up a blitz or hold onto the ball. He gone.
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Swashbuckler wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:04 am
Snake wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:17 am

We can do better
That's very possible but I don't know why they'd do us a favor. I'd welcome Fournette back with open arms. Ronald Jones on the other hand... God bless him but he can't pick up a blitz or hold onto the ball. He gone.
I'd do whatever it takes to bring Lenny back. Gio Bernard and Le'Veon Bell as well.

Spend a later round pick on a developmental RB, like a Dameon Pierce (UF) or Zaquandre White (UGA).
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I don’t know if there’s such thing as a developmental running back. Not trying to be a know-it-all asshole, it just seems like one of those positions where you can plug-in and work, or you don’t.

Ronald Jones was interesting because he put on 30 pounds after college. Pretty rare though
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Defense5599 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:47 am
Swashbuckler wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:04 am

That's very possible but I don't know why they'd do us a favor. I'd welcome Fournette back with open arms. Ronald Jones on the other hand... God bless him but he can't pick up a blitz or hold onto the ball. He gone.
I'd do whatever it takes to bring Lenny back. Gio Bernard and Le'Veon Bell as well.

Spend a later round pick on a developmental RB, like a Dameon Pierce (UF) or Zaquandre White (UGA).
I'd much rather keep Vaughn than Bell. Vaughn had some very good snaps this past season.
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The Outsider wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:03 pm
Defense5599 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:47 am

I'd do whatever it takes to bring Lenny back. Gio Bernard and Le'Veon Bell as well.

Spend a later round pick on a developmental RB, like a Dameon Pierce (UF) or Zaquandre White (UGA).
I'd much rather keep Vaughn than Bell. Vaughn had some very good snaps this past season.
Agreed. And given that Vaughn is the only runner on the roster and money is tight, I think we'd be fools to cut him.
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Vaughn def ain’t getting cut. He’s being paid peanuts and is at worst cheap depth- though he has shown potential to be more than that. He can compete with a ring chasing vet like Bernard/Bell or someone similar to be the #2 and 3rd down back.

Hopefully we can bring Lenny back to be the #1.
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Trade for Saquon and hope he can get back to that rookie form.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:00 pm Trade for Saquon and hope he can get back to that rookie form.
Fuck. No. Trade for an injury prone running back? Hell no.
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Primeminister wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:59 pm
Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:00 pm Trade for Saquon and hope he can get back to that rookie form.
Fuck. No. Trade for an injury prone running back? Hell no.
He’d be a nice piece in this offense where he isn’t getting keyed on every play. And all RBs are injury prone. It’s the nature of the position. This roster needs an infusion of new talent.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:05 pm
Primeminister wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:59 pm

Fuck. No. Trade for an injury prone running back? Hell no.
He’d be a nice piece in this offense where he isn’t getting keyed on every play. And all RBs are injury prone. It’s the nature of the position. This roster needs an infusion of new talent.
If NYG agree to pay half his salary, I guess he’s be worth 1/3.5, other than that… no thanks!
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Not much foresight here. He wouldn’t be the first guy to leave a bad team and have a resurgence on a good one. Kid had over 2,000 scrimmage yards his rookie year.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:46 pm Not much foresight here. He wouldn’t be the first guy to leave a bad team and have a resurgence on a good one. Kid had over 2,000 scrimmage yards his rookie year.
Problem is that rookie year was 5 seasons ago
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They’ll go after whoever Brady tells them to go after.
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King Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:00 pm
Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:46 pm Not much foresight here. He wouldn’t be the first guy to leave a bad team and have a resurgence on a good one. Kid had over 2,000 scrimmage yards his rookie year.
Problem is that rookie year was 5 seasons ago
That’s like saying Michael Clayton (or Caddy, in this case more applicable) would be worth trading for because he had a great rookie season
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acmillis wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:08 pm
King Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:00 pm

Problem is that rookie year was 5 seasons ago
That’s like saying Michael Clayton (or Caddy, in this case more applicable) would be worth trading for because he had a great rookie season
To put it in perspective

Rookie year: 16 games, 352 touches, 2,028 scrimmage yards, 5.7 yards/touch,15 TDs.

Next 3 years combined: 28 games, 497 touches, 2,388 scrimmage yards, 4.8 yards/touch, 12 TDs.

A torn ACL and various foot and ankle injuries over the last 3 years. We saw it with both Clayton and Caddy. Injuries over time can take away from your production. Saquon isn't worth the money at this point.
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King Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:21 pm
acmillis wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:08 pm

That’s like saying Michael Clayton (or Caddy, in this case more applicable) would be worth trading for because he had a great rookie season
To put it in perspective

Rookie year: 16 games, 352 touches, 2,028 scrimmage yards, 5.7 yards/touch,15 TDs.

Next 3 years combined: 28 games, 497 touches, 2,388 scrimmage yards, 4.8 yards/touch, 12 TDs.

A torn ACL and various foot and ankle injuries over the last 3 years. We saw it with both Clayton and Caddy. Injuries over time can take away from your production. Saquon isn't worth the money at this point.
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Fair enough. Odd takes considering we have next to nothing at RB. He’s 25.
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We shouldn’t be caring about money at this point. Mortgage the entire future for 2022.
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Saquan went from “next Bernie Sanders” to “overpaid” so fast. The media hype machine set him up to fail considering the absolutely awful team around him. Then injuries and all that…

I’ll never forget watching him getting hit 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage within 1 second of getting a toss. Over and over. Hopefully he catches on somewhere better and reaches his potential.
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King Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:21 pm
acmillis wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:08 pm

That’s like saying Michael Clayton (or Caddy, in this case more applicable) would be worth trading for because he had a great rookie season
To put it in perspective

Rookie year: 16 games, 352 touches, 2,028 scrimmage yards, 5.7 yards/touch,15 TDs.

Next 3 years combined: 28 games, 497 touches, 2,388 scrimmage yards, 4.8 yards/touch, 12 TDs.

A torn ACL and various foot and ankle injuries over the last 3 years. We saw it with both Clayton and Caddy. Injuries over time can take away from your production. Saquon isn't worth the money at this point.
The question is, would you give him a shot if he didn't cost so much? If the Giants release him, I'd be open to bringing him in on a camp friendly deal.
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Defense5599 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:10 pm
King Bootz wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:21 pm

To put it in perspective

Rookie year: 16 games, 352 touches, 2,028 scrimmage yards, 5.7 yards/touch,15 TDs.

Next 3 years combined: 28 games, 497 touches, 2,388 scrimmage yards, 4.8 yards/touch, 12 TDs.

A torn ACL and various foot and ankle injuries over the last 3 years. We saw it with both Clayton and Caddy. Injuries over time can take away from your production. Saquon isn't worth the money at this point.
The question is, would you give him a shot if he didn't cost so much? If the Giants release him, I'd be open to bringing him in on a camp friendly deal.
Of course. As part of a backfield competition, absolutely.

As the RB with the 6th highest overall cap hit, you're bringing him in to be the guy. I'm not putting that trust in him. Especially when 2019 was the last time he rushed for at least 4 yards/carry.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:52 pm We shouldn’t be caring about money at this point. Mortgage the entire future for 2022.
At this point, even the present is mortgaged. We're still not under the cap and have less than 48 hours to do so.
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Snake wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:55 pm Saquan went from “next Bernie Sanders” to “overpaid” so fast. The media hype machine set him up to fail considering the absolutely awful team around him. Then injuries and all that…

I’ll never forget watching him getting hit 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage within 1 second of getting a toss. Over and over. Hopefully he catches on somewhere better and reaches his potential.

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Kress wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:39 pm
Snake wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:55 pm Saquan went from “next Bernie Sanders” to “overpaid” so fast. The media hype machine set him up to fail considering the absolutely awful team around him. Then injuries and all that…

I’ll never forget watching him getting hit 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage within 1 second of getting a toss. Over and over. Hopefully he catches on somewhere better and reaches his potential.

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Snake wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:55 pm Saquan went from “next Bernie Sanders” to “overpaid” so fast. The media hype machine set him up to fail considering the absolutely awful team around him. Then injuries and all that…

I’ll never forget watching him getting hit 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage within 1 second of getting a toss. Over and over. Hopefully he catches on somewhere better and reaches his potential.
CMC has been a worse story for the Panthers, but similar career arcs and concerns as prospects. CMC was better before injury, but neither have been good recently.

Despite Barkley's bad team, he wasn't good either. Booker was better at hitting the holes last year.

Edit: it sounds like im some way shape or form the Panthers will get rid of the CMC contract.
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If Saquon Barkley were released by the Giants, I would have no problem bringing him to Tampa for a market-rate deal to contribute to the backfield rotation.

However, that does not mean that I would trade for him. He is still a decent NFL runner, but the spark that made him special is gone, taken by injury more than likely. He's not worth what he's being paid by the Giants, and I would have no interest in paying him his current rate of $7-ish million this season. Moreover, we are in desperate need for cheap depth to round out the roster, for the Superbowl push this year as well as future years when the cap again rears its ugly head in the inevitable post-Brady world.
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Are we trusting Vaughn to be the guy here? Because, he’s it right now.

Are we trusting a rookie and using a pick in the first 3 rounds? 27? We need an immediate impact starter with that pick. Breece Hall? RB in the first round is blasphemy nowadays.

The going rate for a free agent RB looks like it’s about $6M-$7M per.

I don’t see Fournette taking another discount, and we could certainly use a more dynamic player than he is anyway.

You wouldn’t give up a 4th or 5th round pick to see if Barkley in a contract year could find it again with us? Ok. I would.
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