Rapid Reactions Week 3: 34-24 Loss @ Los Angeles Rams

[Primeminister]

Of course, it’s been everybody else’s fault. Heard that story before.

Stafford is a mistake-prone, league average QB. Always has, always will be.

Watch.

He's a 25 and 10 guy, even with shit blocking and talent around him.

There's some crazy stat from Detroit about how many games they gave up over 31 points with him at QB.

The narrative has always been he's an elite talent that puts up good to great numbers, but doesn't win.

His supporters say it was terrible talent around him and detractors blame it on him

It seems like you're stuck on wanting to be correct, but this is who Stafford was in Detroit and it's why McVay traded Goff plus picks to get him.

Yep. Stanford is a damn good QB and always has been.

[Snake]

Fucking Rams had ONE penalty for 4 yards.

Incredible.

[Primeminister]

Fucking Rams had ONE penalty for 4 yards.

Incredible.

Part of the is refs fuckery.

[Snake]

Fucking Rams had ONE penalty for 4 yards.

Incredible.

Part of the is refs fuckery.

That’s always a factor. No doubt.

And McVay’s teams are usually towards the bottom in penalties committed stat. Every part of that offense in particular is surgical in its execution.

[King Bootz]

I understand the issue. My question was with regards to the cause, because this wasn't an issue last year.

Is the front seven just older, complacent, or have they regressed to the mean? Maybe they're playing against better lines? Let's hear it.

it’s a good question; i asked a similar one in the game thread. i don’t have an answer yet but will watch the all-22 and look for answers.

theoretically, the front seven should be better at this point by having a healthy vea consume double teams and push the o-line into the qb’s feet, freeing shaq, jpp, suh, gholston, roches, et al.

Vea isn’t getting doubled. He’s not enough of a pass rush threat to warrant double teams. Offense have realized that. Also what’s happening more often is our edge rushers are dropping into coverage more often early this year to combat QBs getting the ball out quickly to the perimeter. Those free rushers we counted on so heavily last year? They aren’t there this year.

[Digital_Damage]

The defense is broken right now. The backfield is injury-plagued, but the front four can't seem to get meaningful pressure on the QB. They need to get healthy and they need to make some adjustments. Big game next week. Not just for Brady's return but I do not want to see this team fall to .500.

Front 4? What are you smoking?

[Rocker]

Frankly, their lines beat our lines; and a depleted secondary vs a healthy one tells the story of the game.

Kudos, Rams fans.

Bowles needs to stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room.

What do you mean with Bowles?

Some of his calls - especially when we’re in favorable down and distance- are odd as hell.

[Primeminister]

it’s a good question; i asked a similar one in the game thread. i don’t have an answer yet but will watch the all-22 and look for answers.

theoretically, the front seven should be better at this point by having a healthy vea consume double teams and push the o-line into the qb’s feet, freeing shaq, jpp, suh, gholston, roches, et al.

Vea isn’t getting doubled. He’s not enough of a pass rush threat to warrant double teams. Offense have realized that. Also what’s happening more often is our edge rushers are dropping into coverage more often early this year to combat QBs getting the ball out quickly to the perimeter. Those free rushers we counted on so heavily last year? They aren’t there this year.

Then Bowles needs to adjust this. I’m going to find the stats this week on how often the edge rushers are in coverage and how they have fared. I hope you hop in the analysis thread this week to help figure this shit show put.

[Primeminister]

What do you mean with Bowles?

Some of his calls - especially when we’re in favorable down and distance- are odd as hell.

When I get the analysis thread going post some Twitter, YT or video showing what you’re talking about. I’m bit saying it’s not happening, but I want to see what those calls are.

[Rocker]

Some of his calls - especially when we’re in favorable down and distance- are odd as hell.

When I get the analysis thread going post some Twitter, YT or video showing what you’re talking about. I’m bit saying it’s not happening, but I want to see what those calls are.

Cover one and green dog blitzes in obvious passing situations with a depleted secondary. I’ll @ you when the tape is available.

[Sdbucs]

We missed JPP today

[King Bootz]

Vea isn’t getting doubled. He’s not enough of a pass rush threat to warrant double teams. Offense have realized that. Also what’s happening more often is our edge rushers are dropping into coverage more often early this year to combat QBs getting the ball out quickly to the perimeter. Those free rushers we counted on so heavily last year? They aren’t there this year.

Then Bowles needs to adjust this. I’m going to find the stats this week on how often the edge rushers are in coverage and how they have fared. I hope you hop in the analysis thread this week to help figure this shit show put.

I thought it was just Dallas initially and I chalked it up to their Oline not needing to double anyone. The. Atlanta didn’t double him last week. Rams didn’t do it this week either. DW is going up against more guards this year than last year. I can’t say for sure why teams aren’t bothering to double Vea, but as I said earlier in the week until someone else steps up they won’t need to double him.

[Primeminister]

Then Bowles needs to adjust this. I’m going to find the stats this week on how often the edge rushers are in coverage and how they have fared. I hope you hop in the analysis thread this week to help figure this shit show put.

I thought it was just Dallas initially and I chalked it up to their Oline not needing to double anyone. The. Atlanta didn’t double him last week. Rams didn’t do it this week either. DW is going up against more guards this year than last year. I can’t say for sure why teams aren’t bothering to double Vea, but as I said earlier in the week until someone else steps up they won’t need to double him.

What’s the counter to this?

[Rocker]

I thought it was just Dallas initially and I chalked it up to their Oline not needing to double anyone. The. Atlanta didn’t double him last week. Rams didn’t do it this week either. DW is going up against more guards this year than last year. I can’t say for sure why teams aren’t bothering to double Vea, but as I said earlier in the week until someone else steps up they won’t need to double him.

What’s the counter to this?

Drafting someone to replace Suh

[Primeminister]

What’s the counter to this?

Drafting someone to replace Suh

Of course, but what about this season? We need someone to step up on the OL.

Come draft time I don’t even want to look at anything that isn’t DL/CB

[Dread]

Not much went wrong for the Rams today. Lots to clean up for the Bucs.

Brady and the pass game made it closer than it was.

We couldn't catch a break, dropped INT, inconsistent officiating to end the half on that OPI call, our safety falls.

Neither team had a turnover.

We need to get off the field on 3rd down. Rams were 10/15.

We'll be alright. That was the Rams best shot, not ours.

[13F11B]

Vea isn’t getting doubled. He’s not enough of a pass rush threat to warrant double teams. Offense have realized that. Also what’s happening more often is our edge rushers are dropping into coverage more often early this year to combat QBs getting the ball out quickly to the perimeter. Those free rushers we counted on so heavily last year? They aren’t there this year.

I have seen four or five plays a game where the offensive line tackles Vea. I have seen it called holding once. I think he would demand double teams if the officiating crew would now allow him to be tackled.

[Digital_Damage]

Then Bowles needs to adjust this. I’m going to find the stats this week on how often the edge rushers are in coverage and how they have fared. I hope you hop in the analysis thread this week to help figure this shit show put.

I thought it was just Dallas initially and I chalked it up to their Oline not needing to double anyone. The. Atlanta didn’t double him last week. Rams didn’t do it this week either. DW is going up against more guards this year than last year. I can’t say for sure why teams aren’t bothering to double Vea, but as I said earlier in the week until someone else steps up they won’t need to double him.

Why would anyone double team a NT in a 3-4?

[Primeminister]

Vea isn’t getting doubled. He’s not enough of a pass rush threat to warrant double teams. Offense have realized that. Also what’s happening more often is our edge rushers are dropping into coverage more often early this year to combat QBs getting the ball out quickly to the perimeter. Those free rushers we counted on so heavily last year? They aren’t there this year.

I have seen four or five plays a game where the offensive line tackles Vea. I have seen it called holding once. I think he would demand double teams if the officiating crew would now allow him to be tackled.

It’s pretty blatant with Vea and the coaching staff should call this out.

[Digital_Damage]

Anyone concerned by the lack of running game? Brady was our leading rusher, which is never a good thing.

Brady already has two 50+ passing attempt games and it's not even October yet. Don't want to wear his arm out too early

I wonder if our complete lack of a running game is by design or because we simply can't run the ball.

Any chance we're getting too enamored with the passing game?

Jesus Christ, you just say whatever pops into your lizard brain Don't you?

[Doctor]

It's simply too hard to run against the Rams. AD is the goat. I expected a lot of AB screens today but we didn't have him.

[King Bootz]

I thought it was just Dallas initially and I chalked it up to their Oline not needing to double anyone. The. Atlanta didn’t double him last week. Rams didn’t do it this week either. DW is going up against more guards this year than last year. I can’t say for sure why teams aren’t bothering to double Vea, but as I said earlier in the week until someone else steps up they won’t need to double him.

What’s the counter to this?

Bowles has to get more creative. More stunts, loops, twists. Stop dropping guys into coverage as much. It’s not working.

That said, the Dline is getting owned. Suh is done as a pass rusher. Gholston isn’t that guy. Roches isn’t that guy either. Our Dline isn’t built to rush the passer quite honestly. We rely heavily on someone up front taking on double teams and then free rushers like DW, Shaq, JPP getting to the QB. That won’t work if they are the ones taking on doubles. DW last year was going against RBs or air. This year it’s guards and he’s getting wiped out. JTS isn’t ready. He had a poor game today. I don’t even know if Shaq played today.

Our coverage has to hold up a little better also. But they probably overachieved last year. It’s all a domino effect. If we have no one up front taking on double teams, you can expect more 300+ yard/multiple TD days from QBs,

[Digital_Damage]

It's simply too hard to run against the Rams. AD is the goat. I expected a lot of AB screens today but we didn't have him.

No.... no he is not.

[King Bootz]

I thought it was just Dallas initially and I chalked it up to their Oline not needing to double anyone. The. Atlanta didn’t double him last week. Rams didn’t do it this week either. DW is going up against more guards this year than last year. I can’t say for sure why teams aren’t bothering to double Vea, but as I said earlier in the week until someone else steps up they won’t need to double him.

Why would anyone double team a NT in a 3-4?

He was overpowering Olinemen just a couple years ago. Suh was also getting his share of double teams. But none of them are right now.

[Dread]

Bucs aren't winning 1v1 up front on defense.

A step slow right now.

This was the first game in awhile we didn't win the LoS battle.

[Doctor]

It's simply too hard to run against the Rams. AD is the goat. I expected a lot of AB screens today but we didn't have him.

No.... no he is not.

You're wrong but that's fine.

[Snake]

Anyone concerned by the lack of running game? Brady was our leading rusher, which is never a good thing.

Brady already has two 50+ passing attempt games and it's not even October yet. Don't want to wear his arm out too early

I wonder if our complete lack of a running game is by design or because we simply can't run the ball.

Any chance we're getting too enamored with the passing game?

Not really. Arians’s run game is shit. We have shitty backs. Not the best combo but something we’ve dealt with before.

[Digital_Damage]

Why would anyone double team a NT in a 3-4?

He was overpowering Olinemen just a couple years ago. Suh was also getting his share of double teams. But none of them are right now.

Rams mostly play a Zone blocking scheme. We blitzed our faces off against Dallas and got burnt. I mostly only saw one OLB rushing this game. A couple of plays with White up the middle but that was it. Our issues in the secondary is causing a lot of drop backs.

I dare say we might want to think about more 4-3 until that shit is resolved. It is not like we have a Revis in his prime to make Bowles scheme work.

[Digital_Damage]

No.... no he is not.

You're wrong but that's fine.

You think if Donald quit right now he would be considered better than Young, Childress, Hampton, Randle and Culp?

Don't be an idiot.

[King Bootz]

He was overpowering Olinemen just a couple years ago. Suh was also getting his share of double teams. But none of them are right now.

Rams mostly play a Zone blocking scheme. We blitzed our faces off against Dallas and got burnt. I mostly only saw one OLB rushing this game. A couple of plays with White up the middle but that was it. Our issues in the secondary is causing a lot of drop backs.

I dare say we might want to think about more 4-3 until that shit is resolved. It is not like we have a Revis in his prime to make Bowles scheme work.

To your point, I almost want to say we ran quite a bit 43 front today. I’ll have to watch the tape again but I think it’s something we may want to explore.

[uscbucsfan]

You're wrong but that's fine.

You think if Donald quit right now he would be considered better than Young, Childress, Hampton, Randle and Culp?

Don't be an idiot.

Yes. Some writers and players say he's the GOAT defensive player, but he's not LT, yet.

Most put him at GOAT DT.

It is subjective, so you aren't wrong saying he's not, but even if you don't agree, there's valid argument.

3 DPOY, leads the NFL in sacks, pressures, win rate, double teams, and a lost of other things coming from the middle.

The way he dominates compared to his peers is in that rare legendary status.

[kaimaru]

I don’t even know if Shaq played today.

Shaq was 4th in tackles, tied for first in tackles for loss and qb hits but yeah accuse him of losing this game. Idk if its the weight he lost or what but Vea isn't demanding double teams like he used to. Pedro keeps saying Vea has no technique. After 3 years you can't just bullrush.

[King Bootz]

I don’t even know if Shaq played today.

Shaq was 4th in tackles, tied for first in tackles for loss and qb hits but yeah accuse him of losing this game. Idk if its the weight he lost or what but Vea isn't demanding double teams like he used to. Pedro keeps saying Vea has no technique. After 3 years you can't just bullrush.

Pretty obvious why you went with obscurity instead of actually listing the numbers. Listing the numbers makes your point much less impactful. Shaq had the same number of QB hits as he did TFL: 1 a piece. That’s not even close to being good enough. That’s not what he’s getting paid $18mil a year to offer 1 QB hit and 1 tackle for loss a game.

[Cheb]

Out of the stadium, ate a nice dinner. I didn't see any of the broadcast stuff, but here's what I've noticed.

Long story short, teams this year have figured our defense out, or at least they are all trying to solve us the same way. We are really good at what we do well and teams refuse to play our game. We want to line up in base, stop the run, and blitz on third down out of nickel. In essence, we're a latter version of those great 46 defenses put together by the 80s Bears. And just like those Bears, the best way to beat them is by not playing to their strengths. Rhythm passing, timing concepts, beat them on the edges, get them out of their base and make them run. And given that we refuse to leave nickel defense and we cannot adjust to trips like adults, we consistently get formationally outfoxed. We lose many reps before the ball is even snappedand we aren't playing matchups at all.

We have dumb penalties, our run game is archaic and ineffective, and our defensive backs are not put into a position to succeed.

Tryon needs to get his hands up when closing on the passer to shut down passing lanes.

Our gameplan revolves entirely around making Tom Brady pull rabbits out of hats for us to win.

I'm not ready to write-off the season, but unless we make some changes, particularly on defense, we won't get far.

[Snake]

Bowles is so overrated. JC…