Bootz wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:53 am
Imagine putting mediocrity and Derrick Henry in the same sentence thinking and thinking you have any credibility in doing so. Not even worth a discussion if you believe Rachaad White is better than Derrick Henry.
Rachaad White was tied for 2nd in carries and didn't Crack 1000 yards. Didn't come close to 4 yards/carry. But by all means..
Why do you immediately gravitate to personal attacks when you lose an argument?
I'm talking about 30 year old Derrick Henry coming off three straight years hovering around 4.3 ypc and 4.2 last year. His lowest as a pro. Every single team in the NFL would take White over Henry right now. In 2024 and beyond, which is all that matters. Especially when you factor in contract.
Rachaad White was 4th in the NFL in total yards. Not disputable. There's more to RB now than just taking a hand-off.
PFF has Henry as the #3 overall back last season behind McCaffrey and Achane. He comes in as the #4 overall back in pass blocking #12 in receiving. Rachaad White is #41 overall, #34 in pass blocking and #26 in receiving
Runs 15+ yards - Henry had 16 for 385 yards, #3 overall behind McCaffrey, Gibbs. White had 7 for 126 yards, #26 overall. This is with White having 19 more rushing attempts on the season.
Missed Tackles Forced - Henry #4 overall with 57, White at #16 with 44
So with 19 fewer rushing attempts, Henry broke off 9 more big (15+ yard) runs and forced 13 more missed tackles.
These are a couple metrics, but basically everything PFF has to offer points at Henry being a top tier back just shy of McCaffrey last season, and an upgrade to White across the board. He would add much needed explosiveness and some pass blocking. Additionally, it would put White into a more 3rd down pass catching role where he seems to thrive.
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Bootz wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:53 am
Imagine putting mediocrity and Derrick Henry in the same sentence thinking and thinking you have any credibility in doing so. Not even worth a discussion if you believe Rachaad White is better than Derrick Henry.
Rachaad White was tied for 2nd in carries and didn't Crack 1000 yards. Didn't come close to 4 yards/carry. But by all means..
Why do you immediately gravitate to personal attacks when you lose an argument?
I'm talking about 30 year old Derrick Henry coming off three straight years hovering around 4.3 ypc and 4.2 last year. His lowest as a pro. Every single team in the NFL would take White over Henry right now. In 2024 and beyond, which is all that matters. Especially when you factor in contract.
Rachaad White was 4th in the NFL in total yards. Not disputable. There's more to RB now than just taking a hand-off.
Unless your name is Derrick Henry or Rachaad, what about any of that was personal?
I'd take Derrick Henry hovering around 4.3 ypc over Rachaad White capping out at 3.7 any day of the week. Again the guy had the 2nd most carries in football and didn't crack 1k yards on the ground. That ain't good. We suffer offensively from not being able to run the ball consistently. That's not debatable.
Sdbucs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:16 am
PFF has Henry as the #3 overall back last season behind McCaffrey and Achane. He comes in as the #4 overall back in pass blocking #12 in receiving. Rachaad White is #41 overall, #34 in pass blocking and #26 in receiving
Runs 15+ yards - Henry had 16 for 385 yards, #3 overall behind McCaffrey, Gibbs. White had 7 for 126 yards, #26 overall. This is with White having 19 more rushing attempts on the season.
Missed Tackles Forced - Henry #4 overall with 57, White at #16 with 44
So with 19 fewer rushing attempts, Henry broke off 9 more big (15+ yard) runs and forced 13 more missed tackles.
These are a couple metrics, but basically everything PFF has to offer points at Henry being a top tier back just shy of McCaffrey last season, and an upgrade to White across the board. He would add much needed explosiveness and some pass blocking. Additionally, it would put White into a more 3rd down pass catching role where he seems to thrive.
Derrick Henry had the most carries in football. Not sure where you're getting that he had 19 fewer rushing attempts than anyone.
Other than that, completely agree. White is a plus receiver out of the backfield but he's very poor running the ball. He doesn't find the holes quickly enough and often takes the wrong gap because of inconsistent at best vision.
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Sdbucs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:16 am
PFF has Henry as the #3 overall back last season behind McCaffrey and Achane. He comes in as the #4 overall back in pass blocking #12 in receiving. Rachaad White is #41 overall, #34 in pass blocking and #26 in receiving
Runs 15+ yards - Henry had 16 for 385 yards, #3 overall behind McCaffrey, Gibbs. White had 7 for 126 yards, #26 overall. This is with White having 19 more rushing attempts on the season.
Missed Tackles Forced - Henry #4 overall with 57, White at #16 with 44
So with 19 fewer rushing attempts, Henry broke off 9 more big (15+ yard) runs and forced 13 more missed tackles.
These are a couple metrics, but basically everything PFF has to offer points at Henry being a top tier back just shy of McCaffrey last season, and an upgrade to White across the board. He would add much needed explosiveness and some pass blocking. Additionally, it would put White into a more 3rd down pass catching role where he seems to thrive.
White is 4th in total yards and the #41 overall back in the NFL? Uhh.
Sdbucs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:16 am
PFF has Henry as the #3 overall back last season behind McCaffrey and Achane. He comes in as the #4 overall back in pass blocking #12 in receiving. Rachaad White is #41 overall, #34 in pass blocking and #26 in receiving
Runs 15+ yards - Henry had 16 for 385 yards, #3 overall behind McCaffrey, Gibbs. White had 7 for 126 yards, #26 overall. This is with White having 19 more rushing attempts on the season.
Missed Tackles Forced - Henry #4 overall with 57, White at #16 with 44
So with 19 fewer rushing attempts, Henry broke off 9 more big (15+ yard) runs and forced 13 more missed tackles.
These are a couple metrics, but basically everything PFF has to offer points at Henry being a top tier back just shy of McCaffrey last season, and an upgrade to White across the board. He would add much needed explosiveness and some pass blocking. Additionally, it would put White into a more 3rd down pass catching role where he seems to thrive.
White is 4th in total yards and the #41 overall back in the NFL? Uhh.
Fair enough on White vs. Henry debate. I still don't think signing Henry improves our offense overall though unless we're relegating White to a 3rd down role exclusively. I like adding another back, but paying for one doesn't make a ton of sense.
There are going to be a bunch of FA RB's available. Schefter tweeted yesterday that none of the big names are expected to be tagged again.
As he should. He's the oldest and has a ton of mileage. He also isn't a legitimate thread as a receiver the way Barkley or Ekeler are.
I mean, that's a rhetorical question, right?
You were saying Rachaad White >>> Derrick Henry less than an hour ago so idk.....
If I'm choosing one or the other I would take White over Henry for the next two years+.
Would I rather have Henry on this team than Gage? Sure. I'd also rather use what we can of Gage's $$ to sign any number of other players. Including our own coveted free agents.
You were saying Rachaad White >>> Derrick Henry less than an hour ago so idk.....
If I'm choosing one or the other I would take White over Henry for the next two years+.
Would I rather have Henry on this team than Gage? Sure. I'd also rather use what we can of Gage's $$ to sign any number of other players. Including our own coveted free agents.
If I'm choosing one or the other I would take White over Henry for the next two years+.
Would I rather have Henry on this team than Gage? Sure. I'd also rather use what we can of Gage's $$ to sign any number of other players. Including our own coveted free agents.
That's why I had to ask.
Don't really know what else to say to justify my stance. White produces more yards and has a cap hit of a little over $3M for the next two seasons. Henry is likely to get $10M+ per year.
Don't really know what else to say to justify my stance. White produces more yards and has a cap hit of a little over $3M for the next two seasons. Henry is likely to get $10M+ per year.
Isn’t $10M a year relatively cheap though? I’m only starting to make noise for Henry because he seems cheap for what he could potentially add to our offense.
But if I’m confused and that’s actually a lot for a RB then maybe not
White is going into his third season with 3 different OC's. He could very well be on the verge of breaking out if utilized in the right way. He did have 64 catches last year. Henry is obviously better but I can understand why someone would rather see what White can do next season given the starting job. The Bucs did not have good run blocking last season. Their runs were also predictable. An offensive line upgrade and better run plays in general could help White breakout. Adding Henry might stagnate his progression. All that being said I would love seeing Henry play for the Bucs.
Don't really know what else to say to justify my stance. White produces more yards and has a cap hit of a little over $3M for the next two seasons. Henry is likely to get $10M+ per year.
Isn’t $10M a year relatively cheap though? I’m only starting to make noise for Henry because he seems cheap for what he could potentially add to our offense.
But if I’m confused and that’s actually a lot for a RB then maybe not
Isn’t $10M a year relatively cheap though? I’m only starting to make noise for Henry because he seems cheap for what he could potentially add to our offense.
But if I’m confused and that’s actually a lot for a RB then maybe not
Believe that’s top 5 $$.
AAV would be top 7. $5mil AAV is between 10 and 15.
In this debate of White vs Henry, my only concern is the OL. Henry is a much better version of Leonard Fournette, but both of these guys get their big yardage once they break through the initial line. Neither are going to find the tight spots or hit the hole quickly. Playoff Lenny was good when the OL was at it's peak, he declined once that changed, and age played a part too.
If we improve our OL Henry could be a steal. If not, Pollard would be a better signing.
Buccabeer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:54 pm
In this debate of White vs Henry, my only concern is the OL. Henry is a much better version of Leonard Fournette, but both of these guys get their big yardage once they break through the initial line. Neither are going to find the tight spots or hit the hole quickly. Playoff Lenny was good when the OL was at it's peak, he declined once that changed, and age played a part too.
If we improve our OL Henry could be a steal. If not, Pollard would be a better signing.
Pollard is estimated 6.5, but let's be honest, after being burned by Doug Martin, I doubt he pays for a second contract with a RB. Yes yes Fournette was Brady's blankie. I think he is going to do what he has been, drafting a rb every other year
Cheb wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:22 pm
I would rather spend money on our own guys than Derrick Henry.
If you want a big guy who thrives on interior contact to help carry the load with White, just draft Braelon Allen outta Wisconsin in the third round and call it done.
I assume for the same reason the Bucs would let am elite level WR hit FA and potentially leave...
Did the Titans try to extend Henry?
Henry, like Evans, wants to test free agency. So it is the same. We don't want to overpay Evans so we let him test being a FA. They don't want to overpay Henry so they are doing the same
A player like Derrick Henry fits in every offense. He’s been a remarkable player. He’s been the face of the franchise here for a long time. When you think of the Tennessee Titans you think of Derrick Henry. He’s earned that. If he’s open to a return that fits for us. I’m never going to say no to good players. He’s been an incredible leader in this building as well which also carries a lot of weight. You can find ways to use every player. There’s no offensive system that would say I don’t like to have Derrick Henry here. I certainly think he has some gas left in thank to, so we will see where that goes. He’s going to hit the market, probably, and try to see what’s out there for him. I would never say to a player like that if they want to return here and it fits for us. He’s such a fantastic person on top of it and has meant so much to this city that I would never just say no to that.
Derrick Henry conducted an on field tribute to Titans fans after their last home game. That’s not something you do if the franchise intends to bring you back.
Grahamburn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 3:16 pm
Derrick Henry conducted an on field tribute to Titans fans after their last home game. That’s not something you do if the franchise intends to bring you back.
That I didn't know. They probably told him how much they are willing to pay to bring him back during the season. Still they have a new coach, who knows?
mdb1958 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:21 am
Would our offensive line improve if we used the exact same players all over again?
One would hope Mauch takes the next step in development, and Goedeke continues to grow. Wirfs gonna Wirfs. Hainsey can be upgraded and LG is a glaring hole.
mdb1958 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:21 am
Would our offensive line improve if we used the exact same players all over again?
One would hope Mauch takes the next step in development, and Goedeke continues to grow. Wirfs gonna Wirfs. Hainsey can be upgraded and LG is a glaring hole.
I'm going to make a strong statement, Hall, Vea, and Kancey all should be part time starters. The quality of new talent would determine how much they would stay on the field.
