Welcome Baker Mayfield

[Phantom]

For the contract, the Buccaneers got the steal. When Mayfoeld's contract is up, expect the Buccaneers to pay him 300 million dollars for the contract.

We got lucky

[Doctor]

I think it's long overdue we start admitting it's not luck.


It's Licht.

[Phantom]

Uhm, I believe Baker Mayfield accepted a lower salary to remain with the Bucs so that Evans can secure a contract to stay with the Bucs.

[CannonFire]

Uhm, I believe Baker Mayfield accepted a lower salary to remain with the Bucs so that Evans can secure a contract to stay with the Bucs.

Let's see how that works over the next 2 years when his AAV is $40M. That said, I'm willing to bet they restructure and use up some of that voidable money in 2027.

[Grahamburn]

Uhm, I believe Baker Mayfield accepted a lower salary to remain with the Bucs so that Evans can secure a contract to stay with the Bucs.

Let's see how that works over the next 2 years when his AAV is $40M. That said, I'm willing to bet they restructure and use up some of that voidable money in 2027.

$40M AAV is pretty cheap for the NFL leader in TDs, no?

He’ll probably extend after this year to open up space for Godwin. They’re also going to need to extend McCollum and Goedeke soon.

[CannonFire]

Let's see how that works over the next 2 years when his AAV is $40M. That said, I'm willing to bet they restructure and use up some of that voidable money in 2027.

$40M AAV is pretty cheap for the NFL leader in TDs, no?

He’ll probably extend after this year to open up space for Godwin. They’re also going to need to extend McCollum and Goedeke soon.

If HE was the reason, yes, it's cheap. If the receivers and OLine are the reason? No, it's very expensive. Any adequate/average QB can put up good numbers (see also, Sam Darnold & Jordan Love [all 2 years of experience]), with an excellent pass blocking OLine and elite WR's and/or corp.

[Backside]

What does that even mean

[CannonFire]

What does that even mean

It means that sometimes teams make the QB better than what they are... don't get fooled to think it's the other way around.

[Backside]

What does that even mean

It means that sometimes teams make the QB better than what they are... don't get fooled to think it's the other way around.

Are you the arbiter to decide who gets the credit then? Mind sharing your process.

[CannonFire]

It means that sometimes teams make the QB better than what they are... don't get fooled to think it's the other way around.

Are you the arbiter to decide who gets the credit then? Mind sharing your process.

I think common sense is the arbiter. No one's game has been elevated because of Baker Mayfield. Do you think Sam Darnold is worth $40M a year?

[Backside]

Are you the arbiter to decide who gets the credit then? Mind sharing your process.

I think common sense is the arbiter. No one's game has been elevated because of Baker Mayfield. Do you think Sam Darnold is worth $40M a year?

No, common sense says he is playing like a top 10 QB, top 5 if we are looking at stats. The entire offense has been elevated, have you been watching? It's a top of the league offense.

Eyes tell you he has one of the fastest ttt's and evades multiple sacks every game. But now the Oline with a single above average player, and a backup RT most of the year is the reason? Alright then...

You're the one saying the objective stats and the eye test that everyone around the league can see, are wrong. So perhaps the onus is on you to come up with slightly better arguments than "I'm smarter at this then you despite having my ass shown to me so far this year." You have not had a single word of praise for our QB who you trashed all offseason and continue to do now, despite him objectively playing very well.

I'm not sure how you expect anyone to argue with you in good faith when you are clearly not doing the same.

[Bootz]

Baker got paid fairly. He wasn't worth more and he shouldn't have gotten less. All things equal if all 32 QBs were healthy, he'd be a top 15-20 QB and got paid as such. Nobody is paying Baker Mayfield $300mil

[NeezDuts]

Top 15-20? Dudes balling out. He took a team friendly deal because we literally saved his nfl life

[Bootz]

Top 15-20? Dudes balling out. He took a team friendly deal because we literally saved his nfl life

Yes. If all 32 starring QBs are healthy and you stack them up, he'd be in the top 15 at best.

[Snake]

Baker got paid fairly. He wasn't worth more and he shouldn't have gotten less. All things equal if all 32 QBs were healthy, he'd be a top 15-20 QB and got paid as such. Nobody is paying Baker Mayfield $300mil

I think this is the right take. I try watching a different QB or two every week. The amount of young QB talent in the league is crazy.

Baker is more steady than he’s been in the past. His improvisation skills have gotten better. Escapability is on point right now.

I probably put him closer to 10-15 today but I anticipate him settling at about 15th.

QB play has gotten a lot better on average in the last 10 years. I don’t know if peoples expectations have caught up yet.

It typically comes down to two/three throws or decisions per game that’s separate the highest level guys from the Bakers of the world.

[Bootz]

Baker got paid fairly. He wasn't worth more and he shouldn't have gotten less. All things equal if all 32 QBs were healthy, he'd be a top 15-20 QB and got paid as such. Nobody is paying Baker Mayfield $300mil

I think this is the right take. I try watching a different QB or two every week. The amount of young QB talent in the league is crazy.

Baker is more steady than he’s been in the past. His improvisation skills have gotten better. Escapability is on point right now.

I probably put him closer to 10-15 today but I anticipate him settling at about 15th.

QB play has gotten a lot better on average in the last 10 years. I don’t know if peoples expectations have caught up yet.

He's definitely closer to 15 than he is 10 or 20. My take is that as he has gotten better, he also shows you at times that there will always be a ceiling to his as QB.

He's been essentially neutered by Coen from throwing the ball down field. Part of that is because he's been inaccurate down the field. Part is because he gets too antsy on those longer developing plays and dances around too much or forgets to keep his eyes up. And of course the longer he holds the ball the more likely it is he'll take an unnecessary sack.

[Backside]

I feel like you only get to 15 if you put dudes like Dak, Lawrence, and Rodgers above him. AND project out the young rookies and put them ahead.

The latter I can understand. I don't know what else you'd need to see to change your mind on the former.

[Snake]

I think this is the right take. I try watching a different QB or two every week. The amount of young QB talent in the league is crazy.

Baker is more steady than he’s been in the past. His improvisation skills have gotten better. Escapability is on point right now.

I probably put him closer to 10-15 today but I anticipate him settling at about 15th.

QB play has gotten a lot better on average in the last 10 years. I don’t know if peoples expectations have caught up yet.

He's definitely closer to 15 than he is 10 or 20. My take is that as he has gotten better, he also shows you at times that there will always be a ceiling to his as QB.

He's been essentially neutered by Coen from throwing the ball down field. Part of that is because he's been inaccurate down the field. Part is because he gets too antsy on those longer developing plays and dances around too much or forgets to keep his eyes up. And of course the longer he holds the ball the more likely it is he'll take an unnecessary sack.

Now that you mention it, this sounds right to me. Your take on the deep ball and saving Baker from himself. In doing so, his ceiling is lowered.

[NeezDuts]

First in TD passes (by three!) Second in passer rating. Offense leads the nfl in points scored. 4-2 record. He’s closer to league mvp than he is to 15-20 range as of right now. If we beat the ravens he’ll be in the discussion

[Snake]

I know this is hard to fathom, but watching the games matters.

[NeezDuts]

Idk. Dudes a winner. If you can rattle off 14 better qbs I’ll be more interested in your argument

[Bootz]

I know this is hard to fathom, but watching the games matters.

Sunday Godwin had 11 catches for 125 yards. 105 of those came after the catch.

Our passing game is much more sideline to sideline these days than it is down the field. Thats not a bad thing. We have great athletes who can create after the catch like Godwin, White, Irving, Shepard. This does hurt Evans though as he makes his money down the field and it's not a coincidence that he hasn't been featured as much in Coen's offense.

[NeezDuts]

Sounds like 11 year old me grasping for straws to disparage Tom Brady lol

[Lordnlkon]

Idk. Dudes a winner. If you can rattle off 14 better qbs I’ll be more interested in your argument

I think if you go off his entire career you could put him back that far. If you go off his play this year he is definitely top 5(so far in the season, remains to be seen if he finishes that way. I think he will though). Laughing at the oline being the only reason he is successful.

[Backside]

Baker has been throwing lasers into tight windows all season. This condescending attitude about watching the games is weird. We're all watching the games, dude looks good.

[Grahamburn]

What does that even mean

It means that sometimes teams make the QB better than what they are... don't get fooled to think it's the other way around.

Baker has thrown touchdowns to Sean Tucker, Cade Otton, Trey Palmer, Jalen McMillan, and Sterling Shepard. A who’s who of elite studs, yeah?

He has operated with backup linemen in every game but the first one, in which he threw 4 touchdowns.

He isn’t elevating anyone with his play?

Why are you disingenuously suggesting he’s just throwing it up to Evans and Godwin every play to pad stats and hiding behind some elite o-line.

It’s ridiculous and any credibility you had is eroded to a point that I think you’re just trolling.

We objectively have one of the top offenses in the league and Baker is the QB. His numbers stack up as a top 5 QB just about everywhere.

Give him credit for turning his career around and just admit you were flat out wrong.

[Bootz]

I'm not seeing any negative attitude in regards to Baker here. It's not negative saying he's a top 15 QB

[NeezDuts]

Y’all gonna have to be more specific on which qbs you have ahead of baker or the argument doesn’t have any credibility. The problem is it will be easily dismantled so I probably wouldn’t try lol

[BucsNBills]

Based on the body of work Baker has accumulated with the Bucs, these are the only QBs that I would consider above him:

Mahomes
Herbert
Allen
Jackson
Burrow
Stroud

What other QBs would you genuinely trade Baker for and feel absolutely confident that we would gain an upgrade in performance and a higher ceiling as a team???

Would you trade Baker for Matthew Stafford? Murray? Dak? Not me. Stafford is too old, Murray too frail, and Dak is terrible. Caleb Williams and Daniels are far too high risk and unknown as commodities for me to ever want to trade Baker for them. Hurts has proven to be a one year wonder and is one of the most grossly overpaid players in the league. Pass. We have the best QB in the NFC South,and it's no particularly close.

Jared Goff? He's less mobile and his arm is much weaker than Baker. Jordan Love is still way too unproven and has a massive bloated contract.

Who is even left that you can put ahead of Baker? Trevor Lawrence? You mean the guy who had poorer statistics than Daniel Jones through the starts of their careers? Tua? Nah, I don't want to hold my breath that our expensive QB is going to go into a fencing response if a ref accidentally hits his helmet with a flag. Deshaun Watson? LOLOLOLOLOL


So yeah, I feel good saying that at worst Mayfield is the 7th best QB in the league and his play along with his statistical performance supports my claim.

The idea that he's closer to the 15th best QB in the league than 10 is simply preposterous.

[Grahamburn]

I'm not seeing any negative attitude in regards to Baker here. It's not negative saying he's a top 15 QB

@CannonFire sure is being negative. HE isn’t the reason we have a top offense in the league? Right.

Call him top 15. Ok? He has performed better than that, but, ok. He was top 15 last year, imo, and is loads better so far in 2024.

The narrative from above mentioned poster this off-season was he wasn’t close to top 15. Wasn’t worth a long term extension. Franchise tag at most, and journeymen like Minshew or rookies like Nix were better options.

[Grahamburn]

Herbert?

[Grahamburn]

Yeah. Nobody is going to even try to justify 14 guys better than him right now.

[Bootz]

I'm not seeing any negative attitude in regards to Baker here. It's not negative saying he's a top 15 QB

@CannonFire sure is being negative. HE isn’t the reason we have a top offense in the league? Right.

Call him top 15. Ok? He has performed better than that, but, ok. He was top 15 last year, imo, and is loads better so far in 2024.

The narrative from above mentioned poster this off-season was he wasn’t close to top 15. Wasn’t worth a long term extension. Franchise tag at most, and journeymen like Minshew or rookies like Nix were better options.

Okay, yes that's extreme. I'm comfortable with him being top 15 and I'd hate it if he played this year on the tag.

[Grahamburn]

@CannonFire sure is being negative. HE isn’t the reason we have a top offense in the league? Right.

Call him top 15. Ok? He has performed better than that, but, ok. He was top 15 last year, imo, and is loads better so far in 2024.

The narrative from above mentioned poster this off-season was he wasn’t close to top 15. Wasn’t worth a long term extension. Franchise tag at most, and journeymen like Minshew or rookies like Nix were better options.

Okay, yes that's extreme. I'm comfortable with him being top 15 and I'd hate it if he played this year on the tag.

Don’t we want to have a QB that effectively operates an explosive offense? Is a real leader of men? A player that other great players want to work with? We’ve wanted that here forever.

We had it with Tom. Now we have it again with Baker. We stole this guy for nothing. We should be relishing in our fortune. Not trying to manufacture ways to tear the guy down.

I don’t get why it continues for some.

[Snake]

Based on the body of work Baker has accumulated with the Bucs, these are the only QBs that I would consider above him:

Mahomes
Herbert
Allen
Jackson
Burrow
Stroud

What other QBs would you genuinely trade Baker for and feel absolutely confident that we would gain an upgrade in performance and a higher ceiling as a team???

Would you trade Baker for Matthew Stafford? Murray? Dak? Not me. Stafford is too old, Murray too frail, and Dak is terrible. Caleb Williams and Daniels are far too high risk and unknown as commodities for me to ever want to trade Baker for them. Hurts has proven to be a one year wonder and is one of the most grossly overpaid players in the league. Pass. We have the best QB in the NFC South,and it's no particularly close.

Jared Goff? He's less mobile and his arm is much weaker than Baker. Jordan Love is still way too unproven and has a massive bloated contract.

Who is even left that you can put ahead of Baker? Trevor Lawrence? You mean the guy who had poorer statistics than Daniel Jones through the starts of their careers? Tua? Nah, I don't want to hold my breath that our expensive QB is going to go into a fencing response if a ref accidentally hits his helmet with a flag. Deshaun Watson? LOLOLOLOLOL


So yeah, I feel good saying that at worst Mayfield is the 7th best QB in the league and his play along with his statistical performance supports my claim.

The idea that he's closer to the 15th best QB in the league than 10 is simply preposterous.

Let’s keep contract out of it for now. Because even mediocre quarterbacks are getting big contracts.

I agree with your list of the elite guys or burgeoning elite guys.

You mentioned ceiling, so I’m factoring in a little bit of projection here: I’m betting on Caleb Williams to be a top 5 quarterback. I’m taking him over Baker long-term. I knew about Jayden Daniels before he took his first snap as a true freshman at Arizona State. I like him a lot. but give me six more games and I’ll give you my full opinion.

Definitely better:

Mahomes
Herbert
Allen
Jackson
Burrow
Stroud

Probably better:

Dak
Love
J. Daniels
(Healthy) Tua

Will be better soon:

C. Williams


Where I think it gets iffy is when you compare Baker to the “system guys” and the old guy, Rodgers. Baker has more arm talent and mobility than Goff and Purdy. Goff and Rodgers have more track record. Baker has 1 and 1/3 good seasons in a row so far. I probably put him ahead of Goff and Purdy because I think Baker is able to make something out of nothing. But he will also run into sacks.

Rodgers hasn’t been very good in over two years. But he’s playing for a dumpster fire. Stick him on the Buccaneers and he might be tearing it up.

So yeah, that puts him around 10. In my initial post, I said he’s closer to 10 than 15.

Healthy Tua is better than him. And Kyler Murray could be better if he was given a chance to ditch his trash organization like Baker was.