Todd Bowles is the problem

[Phantom]

I don’t care whether the Buccaneers players get hurt or not. His job is to coach, regardless of injuries.

Now, to add Lamar Jackson to the list of Bowles’ woes…

- CJ Strouds: Career-high in yards and touchdowns. Most passing yards by a Rookie QB in a single game



- Bo Nix: Career-best game.

- Kirk Cousins: Career-high in yards and touchdowns in a game.



- Lamar Jackson: Tied career-best in touchdown passes in a game. LAMAR JACKSON HAD AS MANY TDS AS HE HAD INCOMPLETIONS VS. THE BUCS

HE TIES THE RAVENS SINGLE-GAME RECORD WITH PASSING TDS



I’m sorry, Bowles had to go. His defense isn’t working out here.

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[13F11B]

I don’t care whether the Buccaneers players get hurt or not. His job is to coach, regardless of injuries.

Now, to add Lamar Jackson to the list of Bowles’ woes…

- CJ Strouds: Career-high in yards and touchdowns. Most passing yards by a Rookie QB in a single game

- Bo Nix: Career-best game.

- Kirk Cousins: Career-high in yards and touchdowns in a game.

- Lamar Jackson: Tied career-best in touchdown passes in a game. LAMAR JACKSON HAD AS MANY TDS AS HE HAD INCOMPLETIONS VS. THE BUCS

HE TIES THE RAVENS SINGLE-GAME RECORD WITH PASSING TDS



I’m sorry, Bowles had to go. His defense isn’t working out here.

https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/c ... -past-bucs

https://www.si.com/college/oregon/footb ... egon-ducks

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/415 ... ons-win-ot

Glad someone is coming around to my point of view. His defense is not working. I think the team has some good talent on defense, but it is not be used correctly.

Add the bad defensive design and play calling to the fact that he has terrible clock management and you just have a bad head coach. As a person I think Bowles is a top notch dude, but as a head coach or defensive coordinator I just don't think they guy has what is needed.

[Snake]

There’s no salary cap for coaches. No reason not to have the best or at least a good one.

A guy like Payton comes available? Have to make it happen. A guy like Harbaugh? Have to. Money talks. Make it happen.

Nope. Stuck with Toilet. Career losing record. Many Jets fans say he's the worst HC in their recent history.

Good enough for the Yucks.

[BuccaNOLEer]

I've said this in another thread. Bowles doesn't belong in the National Football League!!! The National Dicksucking League is more suited for him!!!

[Phantom]

There’s no salary cap for coaches. No reason not to have the best or at least a good one.

A guy like Payton comes available? Have to make it happen. A guy like Harbaugh? Have to. Money talks. Make it happen.

Nope. Stuck with Toilet. Career losing record. Many Jets fans say he's the worst HC in their recent history.

Good enough for the Yucks.

Now, just imagine Peyton Manning as the head coach who is his quarterback of choice? Had to be Arch Manning, right?

[Redrum]

Bowles should be fired for the following reasons:

His defense sucks.

His clock management sucks.

He shouldn't have had Winfield playing when he got hurt.

He shouldn't have had Evans playing with a tweaked hamstring against an AFC opponent with your primary division rival coming in next week.

Godwin, among other starters, should have been out way earlier tonight.

Also for drafting White over Josh Allen. No one drafts an off ball linebacker over a potential elite pass rusher. Allen had 17.5 sacks last year and White is unemployed. That had to be Bowles pushing Licht to take White after seeing how much he wanted Darron Lee in New York.

Thanks for the super bowl even though it was mostly just the fact that our edge players beat the Chiefs back up OTs like a drum. Enjoy your retirement.

[acmillis]

You guys are bitching about Todd Bowles the Dc, not Todd Bowles, the HC. Please understand the difference.

[TiccyBuc]

I don’t care whether the Buccaneers players get hurt or not. His job is to coach, regardless of injuries.

Now, to add Lamar Jackson to the list of Bowles’ woes…

- CJ Strouds: Career-high in yards and touchdowns. Most passing yards by a Rookie QB in a single game

- Bo Nix: Career-best game.

- Kirk Cousins: Career-high in yards and touchdowns in a game.

- Lamar Jackson: Tied career-best in touchdown passes in a game. LAMAR JACKSON HAD AS MANY TDS AS HE HAD INCOMPLETIONS VS. THE BUCS

HE TIES THE RAVENS SINGLE-GAME RECORD WITH PASSING TDS



I’m sorry, Bowles had to go. His defense isn’t working out here.

https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/c ... -past-bucs

https://www.si.com/college/oregon/footb ... egon-ducks

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/415 ... ons-win-ot

Glad someone is coming around to my point of view. His defense is not working. I think the team has some good talent on defense, but it is not be used correctly.

Add the bad defensive design and play calling to the fact that he has terrible clock management and you just have a bad head coach. As a person I think Bowles is a top notch dude, but as a head coach or defensive coordinator I just don't think they guy has what is needed.

I agree! How many record setting games do teams have to have against us before Bowles is held accountable.

The reason I want Bowles gone is because I've seen little to no improvement (I'd say he has regressed) and he continues to show incompetence in time management etc. He is a veteran coach and shouldn't be having these issues over and over. Beyond this his defense can barely stop anyone.

I feel it's time to move on especially because fans are starting to get sour towards him now.

[Phantom]

You guys are bitching about Todd Bowles the Dc, not Todd Bowles, the HC. Please understand the difference.

And you keep on bitching about Baker Mayfield in two years

Todd Bowles is both the head coach (HC) and defensive coordinator (DC) Get it right.

[acmillis]

You guys are bitching about Todd Bowles the Dc, not Todd Bowles, the HC. Please understand the difference.

And you keep on bitching about Baker Mayfield in two years

Todd Bowles is both the head coach (HC) and defensive coordinator (DC) Get it right.

Again, tell me why Bowles is a bad HC, not a bad DC.

[Phantom]

And you keep on bitching about Baker Mayfield in two years

Todd Bowles is both the head coach (HC) and defensive coordinator (DC) Get it right.

Again, tell me why Bowles is a bad HC, not a bad DC.

JESUS CHRIST!!! I cant even deal a ****** like you right now


Just save it..

[13F11B]

And you keep on bitching about Baker Mayfield in two years

Todd Bowles is both the head coach (HC) and defensive coordinator (DC) Get it right.

Again, tell me why Bowles is a bad HC, not a bad DC.

He is a bad HC because he has bad time management skills.
He is a bad HC because he had not fired his DC despite continued poor defensive performances over two seasons.

[acmillis]

Again, tell me why Bowles is a bad HC, not a bad DC.

He is a bad HC because he has bad time management skills.
He is a bad HC because he had not fired his DC despite continued poor defensive performances over two seasons.

I can take that. Who would you put in as interim HC today?

[Redrum]

He is a bad HC because he has bad time management skills.
He is a bad HC because he had not fired his DC despite continued poor defensive performances over two seasons.

I can take that. Who would you put in as interim HC today?

I wouldn't fire him until the end of the year. I would then interview Liam amongst other candidates. However, barring a Super Bowl run Bowles should be fired. I foresee a 4 game losing streak coming up. Beating garbage teams like the Raiders, Panthers, Saints, and Giants after the bye should not be enough to save Bowles. I fear it will be though.

[acmillis]

I can take that. Who would you put in as interim HC today?

I wouldn't fire him until the end of the year. I would then interview Liam amongst other candidates. However, barring a Super Bowl run Bowles should be fired. I foresee a 4 game losing streak coming up. Beating garbage teams like the Raiders, Panthers, Saints, and Giants after the bye should not be enough to save Bowles. I fear it will be though.

We're those your expectations before the season; a SB run? I don't know if it is my pessimism, or what, but IMO, thinking this team was ever a SB contender was viewing the world with Gene Deckerhoff's shade of pewter glasses.

[Redrum]

I wouldn't fire him until the end of the year. I would then interview Liam amongst other candidates. However, barring a Super Bowl run Bowles should be fired. I foresee a 4 game losing streak coming up. Beating garbage teams like the Raiders, Panthers, Saints, and Giants after the bye should not be enough to save Bowles. I fear it will be though.

We're those your expectations before the season; a SB run? I don't know if it is my pessimism, or what, but IMO, thinking this team was ever a SB contender was viewing the world with Gene Deckerhoff's shade of pewter glasses.

My expectations are for a coach with his experience to not continue to make the same errors over and over in regards to clock and personnel management. My expectations are for a defensive coach to have a much better defense than we have especially with all the draft capital invested on that side of the ball. My expectations are for the head coach to be the best coach on the team and Liam is clearly better than Bowles. I'm saying barring a Super Bowl run I've seen enough from Bowles to know they're never going to win the Super Bowl because of him as a HC. It would have to be in spite of him and the best chance they'll ever have to do that was with Brady and we know how that worked out.

[Sdbucs]

>bowles is a good DC but not a good HC
>liam is a good OC, put him at HC

HMMMMMMMMMM…….

Almost as if focusing all your attention on offense/defense instead of being the head guy in charge is a little different. Why take our star OC and change anything?

[Snake]

>bowles is a good DC but not a good HC
>liam is a good OC, put him at HC

HMMMMMMMMMM…….

Almost as if focusing all your attention on offense/defense instead of being the head guy in charge is a little different. Why take our star OC and change anything?

Peter Principle is a real thing.

And HC is simply a different job.

[Grahamburn]

>bowles is a good DC but not a good HC
>liam is a good OC, put him at HC

HMMMMMMMMMM…….

Almost as if focusing all your attention on offense/defense instead of being the head guy in charge is a little different. Why take our star OC and change anything?

Is he a good DC though? We've given up the second most yards and fourth most points in the league.

[13F11B]

He is a bad HC because he has bad time management skills.
He is a bad HC because he had not fired his DC despite continued poor defensive performances over two seasons.

I can take that. Who would you put in as interim HC today?

I would not fire him today. I really do not like the idea of shaking up the coaching structure mid-year. With the current structure of the team you do not have a defensive coordinator and that is the hole that would be created. I think Bowles insulated himself from a mid-season firing by not having a DC.

End of the season I think you open the job up and probably fire everyone. Sadly, Coen has done enough to be an OC at the NFL level, but I would not have enough faith in him as a HC.

[Doctor]

Oh jeez it's the Arians saga all over again.

[CannonFire]

Also for drafting White over Josh Allen. No one drafts an off ball linebacker over a potential elite pass rusher. Allen had 17.5 sacks last year and White is unemployed. That had to be Bowles pushing Licht to take White after seeing how much he wanted Darron Lee in New York.

No saying your wrong on the post as a whole, but this particular point is more of a Jason Licht issue... not Todd Bowles.

[Grahamburn]

Oh jeez it's the Arians saga all over again.

It's an emotional day.

[Snake]

Oh jeez it's the Arians saga all over again.

It’s too bad the best QB and TE of all time aren’t here to make HC Bowles look good like they did with Arians.

Single cover Kupp with a safety. That’s who Bowles is. Mental midget.

[Bootz]

Also for drafting White over Josh Allen. No one drafts an off ball linebacker over a potential elite pass rusher. Allen had 17.5 sacks last year and White is unemployed. That had to be Bowles pushing Licht to take White after seeing how much he wanted Darron Lee in New York.

No saying your wrong on the post as a whole, but this particular point is more of a Jason Licht issue... not Todd Bowles.

Right. Imagine thinking a DC has enough influence over not just the GM but also the HC to be the final decision maker on a top 5 pick. No wonder Bowles is HC now then by that logic. He's the ultimate negotiator.

[Redrum]

Also for drafting White over Josh Allen. No one drafts an off ball linebacker over a potential elite pass rusher. Allen had 17.5 sacks last year and White is unemployed. That had to be Bowles pushing Licht to take White after seeing how much he wanted Darron Lee in New York.

No saying your wrong on the post as a whole, but this particular point is more of a Jason Licht issue... not Todd Bowles.

I think he was a key voice in pushing for White. Ultimately the decision was probably more on Licht but Bowles was probably more in favor of White given his history of salivating over a speedy off ball linebacker. I think Spsgnuolo has a pretty big voice on which defensive players KC drafts and Bowles was held in as high of a regard as him by Arians

[CannonFire]

No saying your wrong on the post as a whole, but this particular point is more of a Jason Licht issue... not Todd Bowles.

I think he was a key voice in pushing for White. Ultimately the decision was probably more on Licht but Bowles was probably more in favor of White given his history of salivating over a speedy off ball linebacker. I think Spsgnuolo has a pretty big voice on which defensive players KC drafts and Bowles was held in as high of a regard as him by Arians

If this is the case, then Jason Licht needs to be fired too. He has a staff of scouts who's job is to attend games, watch players, and evaluate their play. They spend not just a few weeks in the offseason looking at these kids, they spend a whole year or more. If Jason Licht is taking a coordinators evaluation off of a few video clips and notes instead of going with the guys he's hiring and paying... why have him? Just find a money negotiator type, pay a scout service like PFF for data and then have the coaches run the draft.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Bowles had NO input. I'm just saying that Licht and Co. were the driving force and whittling down the short list of options. We don't even know for a fact that Josh Allen was even on that short list for Arians and Bowles to look at.

[Redrum]

I think he was a key voice in pushing for White. Ultimately the decision was probably more on Licht but Bowles was probably more in favor of White given his history of salivating over a speedy off ball linebacker. I think Spsgnuolo has a pretty big voice on which defensive players KC drafts and Bowles was held in as high of a regard as him by Arians

If this is the case, then Jason Licht needs to be fired too. He has a staff of scouts who's job is to attend games, watch players, and evaluate their play. They spend not just a few weeks in the offseason looking at these kids, they spend a whole year or more. If Jason Licht is taking a coordinators evaluation off of a few video clips and notes instead of going with the guys he's hiring and paying... why have him? Just find a money negotiator type, pay a scout service like PFF for data and then have the coaches run the draft.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Bowles had NO input. I'm just saying that Licht and Co. were the driving force and whittling down the short list of options. We don't even know for a fact that Josh Allen was even on that short list for Arians and Bowles to look at.

Yeah it's true I'm speculating on a lot of that and could be wrong. At the best though Bowles was not able to coach up a highly regarded defensive prospect into being a longtime starter and impact defender which is another strike against him.

[Bootz]

We have the best case studied if it's determined that our DC bodied our owners, GM, and HC, into making the final decision on the 5th overall pick in the draft.

[CannonFire]

If this is the case, then Jason Licht needs to be fired too. He has a staff of scouts who's job is to attend games, watch players, and evaluate their play. They spend not just a few weeks in the offseason looking at these kids, they spend a whole year or more. If Jason Licht is taking a coordinators evaluation off of a few video clips and notes instead of going with the guys he's hiring and paying... why have him? Just find a money negotiator type, pay a scout service like PFF for data and then have the coaches run the draft.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Bowles had NO input. I'm just saying that Licht and Co. were the driving force and whittling down the short list of options. We don't even know for a fact that Josh Allen was even on that short list for Arians and Bowles to look at.

Yeah it's true I'm speculating on a lot of that and could be wrong. At the best though Bowles was not able to coach up a highly regarded defensive prospect into being a longtime starter and impact defender which is another strike against him.

I won't say you're wrong here either... but to be fair, every single coach who's ever been in the NFL "was not able to coach up a highly regarded defensive prospect into being a longtime starter and impact defender", at one point in time. Belichick had a lot of draft busts during his tenure in NE. No one's perfect. I think your original post was fine and that on this specific bullet point, you're nitpicking just for the sake of piling on.

[Central_Buc]

The Tampa media have lost their minds and are approaching this for the wrong (or backwards) reason. There is no coach (albeit very slim chance with a minute left) is pulling starters out of a game. To attack Bowels on this is as bad as the wife angry cause you can't read her mind or to predict the weather.

What they need to question here is why are you putting 31 y/o Mike Evans in the game when he was clearly not 100%?

He claims to the media that he does protect his players but this was a lie, if he cared about the season if he cared about protecting his players, he would say "Mike I'm sorry we have 10 games left, I need you at 100% you're not playing tonight" End of story.

Im not even sure putting Mike in even if he was 24 would be a great idea either, maybe you can get away with it. But at 31 the healing processes take longer and Bowels needs to start taking those things in account. Age/injury.

[Grahamburn]

If they’re pulling starters they should have done it down 41-18 with 6:00 left.

That’s the argument.

Once you don’t, score twice, recover an onside kick, and have the ball with two minutes left you fight until the end.

[Doctor]

Oh jeez it's the Arians saga all over again.

It’s too bad the best QB and TE of all time aren’t here to make HC Bowles look good like they did with Arians.

Single cover Kupp with a safety. That’s who Bowles is. Mental midget.

You're an odd one. Are you sure you're a Bucs fan?

I get outsiders and casuals discrediting our entire incredible locker room full of warriors to just slurp on the GOAT, but for the call to be coming from inside the house is just sad.

[Central_Buc]

If they’re pulling starters they should have done it down 41-18 with 6:00 left.

That’s the argument.

Once you don’t, score twice, recover an onside kick, and have the ball with two minutes left you fight until the end.

So you think they should have pulled everyone out with 6 min left?

OK the Ravens should be pulling theirs out since they have a comfortable lead. Most teams do that when the game is over. Usually not the other way around. I don't recall a team pulling starters regardless how bad the game went.

When has a coach pulled theirs being down in a blowout with 6 minutes left?

Belichick used to play his starters week 17 when they had everything clinched. And for most coaches it's common practice to sit starters in week 17 when the game has no meaning.

[Grahamburn]

If they’re pulling starters they should have done it down 41-18 with 6:00 left.

That’s the argument.

Once you don’t, score twice, recover an onside kick, and have the ball with two minutes left you fight until the end.

So you think they should have pulled everyone out with 6 min left?

OK the Ravens should be pulling theirs out since they have a comfortable lead. Most teams do that when the game is over. Usually not the other way around. I don't recall a team pulling starters regardless how bad the game went.

When has a coach pulled theirs being down in a blowout with 6 minutes left?

Belichick used to play his starters week 17 when they had everything clinched. And for most coaches it's common practice to sit starters in week 17 when the game has no meaning.

Penix came in for the Falcons just this week.

I’m not saying they should have pulled starters with 6:00 left. I’m saying if you’re going to do it that was the time. Once you make it a game again you don’t do it in the middle of what may or may not be the last drive because you now have the benefit of injury hindsight.

I think the Ravens’ backups were in the game.