Welcome Baker Mayfield

[Bootz]

That makes zero sense. Can’t have a career without playing games. But at least you admit that you responded with cherry picked data.

Carry on.

Nope, apples to apples. You asked if Mayfield can put up numbers like Tua did yesterday. Took a 5 minute google search to destroy your point, and practically on queue you do the Bootz shuffle to move the goal posts rather than admit you were wrong on Mayfield having games like that.

It’s Black Friday, trusses may be on sale?

The overall point here was Sooner asked if Tua was better than Baker. That's a clear yes. So if you want to again cherry pick some games because it makes you feel better, go ahead. But Tua is better than Baker.

[BucsNBills]

So let's populate the list of QBs that are objectively better than Baker both this year AND throughout their career.

1: Mahomes
2: Allen
3: Jackson
4: Burrow
5: Herbert

The above list are the top 5 QBs in the league regardless of what order you put them in. I don't think anyone would argue that those QBs are better than Baker.

Let's see the rest.

[Bootz]

So let's populate the list of QBs that are objectively better than Baker both this year AND throughout their career.

1: Mahomes
2: Allen
3: Jackson
4: Burrow
5: Herbert

The above list are the top 5 QBs in the league regardless of what order you put them in. I don't think anyone would argue that those QBs are better than Baker.

Let's see the rest.

You have to clear the parameters. What's are we measuring? Wins/losses have been disqualified. It can't be stats. Baker is objectively not even a top 15 QB when stats are compared. Is it simply intangibles? A feeling? Well that's no longer objective.

So lay out the parameters and we can have a discussion. But it seems to change from person to person.

[Grahamburn]

Round and round we go.

Looking forward to extending him for a couple more years this coming off-season.

You're so predictable. Can't come up with an answer so you deflect and change the subject.

You would've gotten eaten alive on the old boards.

An answer to what?

Eaten alive? I’m not as concerned about my internet rep as you seem to be.

[Bootz]

You're so predictable. Can't come up with an answer so you deflect and change the subject.

You would've gotten eaten alive on the old boards.

An answer to what?

Eaten alive? I’m not as concerned about my internet rep as you seem to be.

Oh trust me, that's very clear. You broadcast that you have no idea what you're talking about way too often.

[mdb1958]

Less than 300 yards will put Mayfield past Jackson, Goff, and Stroud. Then the rest will settle out - stay tuned..

@Buc2 IABL doesnt have that many fish in the koi pond.

[Pirate Life]

Nope, apples to apples. You asked if Mayfield can put up numbers like Tua did yesterday. Took a 5 minute google search to destroy your point, and practically on queue you do the Bootz shuffle to move the goal posts rather than admit you were wrong on Mayfield having games like that.

It’s Black Friday, trusses may be on sale?

The overall point here was Sooner asked if Tua was better than Baker. That's a clear yes. So if you want to again cherry pick some games because it makes you feel better, go ahead. But Tua is better than Baker.

Actually it's not a clear yes and no, that wasn't the overall point of your post I replied to in the first place. You gave Tua's numbers for one game, asked if Mayfield could put up those numbers. Nothing about career numbers at all.

As for 'clearly' better, that's not quite true either. Pure numbers over their career, sure. However, Tua stepped into a much, much better situation than Mayfield did after being drafted. I don't think it can be overstated how terrible Cleveland was back then. They'd gone 4-44 the three years before he was drafted. To find a comparative 3 year stretch like that for the Buccaneers, the team with the worst winning percentage in their history in all of sports we have to go back to Lehman Bennett's two years and the first year of Ray Perkins. Even then, Bucs still won double the games the Browns did in '15, '16 and '17. Even the three year stretch to start the franchise the Bucs teams won 7 games. Even the Lions don't have a stretch like that - and they have two zero win seasons in their history!

The talent on those Browns teams was terrible, they played in one of the toughest divisions in the NFL with both Pittsburgh and Baltimore being very good teams Mayfield's first two seasons. Tua came to a Dolphins team that had some pretty good offensive pieces and a much better defense. He also didn't have the pressure of being the #1 pick or the first QB taken. He was able to sit behind Fitzmagick for 6 games before being named the starter during the bye week. Contrast that to Mayfield who had to go into a a game after Tyrod Taylor was hurt during the third game of the season.

Like it or not, where a player lands after being drafted will have a huge effect on their performance. This is a team sport after all.

Either way, you'll continue to try to frame your posts to make yourself feel better. I do give you credit for not doing the Bootz fade from the convo that often happens when you're incorrect. So brownie points there.

[Bootz]

The overall point here was Sooner asked if Tua was better than Baker. That's a clear yes. So if you want to again cherry pick some games because it makes you feel better, go ahead. But Tua is better than Baker.

Actually it's not a clear yes and no, that wasn't the overall point of your post I replied to in the first place. You gave Tua's numbers for one game, asked if Mayfield could put up those numbers. Nothing about career numbers at all.

As for 'clearly' better, that's not quite true either. Pure numbers over their career, sure. However, Tua stepped into a much, much better situation than Mayfield did after being drafted. I don't think it can be overstated how terrible Cleveland was back then. They'd gone 4-44 the three years before he was drafted. To find a comparative 3 year stretch like that for the Buccaneers, the team with the worst winning percentage in their history in all of sports we have to go back to Lehman Bennett's two years and the first year of Ray Perkins. Even then, Bucs still won double the games the Browns did in '15, '16 and '17. Even the three year stretch to start the franchise the Bucs teams won 7 games. Even the Lions don't have a stretch like that - and they have two zero win seasons in their history!

The talent on those Browns teams was terrible, they played in one of the toughest divisions in the NFL with both Pittsburgh and Baltimore being very good teams Mayfield's first two seasons. Tua came to a Dolphins team that had some pretty good offensive pieces and a much better defense. He also didn't have the pressure of being the #1 pick or the first QB taken. He was able to sit behind Fitzmagick for 6 games before being named the starter during the bye week. Contrast that to Mayfield who had to go into a a game after Tyrod Taylor was hurt during the third game of the season.

Like it or not, where a player lands after being drafted will have a huge effect on their performance. This is a team sport after all.

Either way, you'll continue to try to frame your posts to make yourself feel better. I do give you credit for not doing the Bootz fade from the convo that often happens when you're incorrect. So brownie points there.

You're twisting my words and the overall basis of the conversation that had nothing to do with you. So as I always have to do, I'll simplify it so hopefully you can understand.

Here's the original context.

Lol, "Tua is better than Baker . . ."


Uh huh. Sure looked like it tonight, right Bootz? lol.

37/46(80%) 365 yards 2 TD passes 114.6 passer rating.

Baker put up numbers like this?

Sooner CLEARLY asks "surely looked like it tonight, right Bootz?"

As in just that game, that night. So yes, I posted Tua's numbers FOR THAT GAME. And asked if Baker put up numbers like this? If we're being objective, which it's clear you're not, why would that question be for anything other than Baker's most recent game?

You instead lied and said I asked if Baker had ever had a game like this. I didn't. But if you're mentioning an entire body of work, why stop at a couple of games that fit your narrative if you're being objective? Oh you're not because you know your argument alone has no legs to stand on. Given that naturally someone would deflect to a different conversation, which you did: Team success.

You mentioned Baker going to Cleveland and their past woes well before he got there. Ultimately it didn't work out. He was 29-30 there.

Tua on the other hand has never had a losing record as a starter in Miami. In fact since he got drafted there, Miami is 38-23 when he starts, but just 6-12 when he doesn't. That doesn't sound like a team rooted in a winning culture. That sounds like their QB makes them way better. Cleveland after they let Baker go? 21-24. About the same as they were with him.

[Pirate Life]

You're twisting my words and the overall basis of the conversation that had nothing to do with you. So as I always have to do, I'll simplify it so hopefully you can understand.

Here's the original context.

37/46(80%) 365 yards 2 TD passes 114.6 passer rating.

Baker put up numbers like this?

This statement confirms you didn't watch this game at all. And if you did then you have no clue what you're seeing.

Yep, this is the original context. Nowhere in your post do you mention seasons, win-loss records or anything else. Nor does Sooner06's either. Just a one game performance. I provided you with 11 games where Mayfield does in fact put up numbers like this (btw, there's several more than 11). You tried to shift gears and make it about lifetime stats/win-loss records (which are still a terrible stat to judge QBs by) rather than own up to being wrong that Mayfield hasn't had a game performance like that.

And you can pontificate on and on about win-loss records and all that, but ignoring the fact that Mayfield started off on a team at the end of a three year stretch worse than any I can find in NFL history is ridiculous. Take those first two years away and he's comparable to Tua. Tua has a higher pass rating and less interceptions, Mayfield has more yards and more TD passes. Same result if we just look at the years since Tua's been in the league.

[Bootz]

You're twisting my words and the overall basis of the conversation that had nothing to do with you. So as I always have to do, I'll simplify it so hopefully you can understand.

Here's the original context.

Yep, this is the original context. Nowhere in your post do you mention seasons, win-loss records or anything else. Nor does Sooner06's either. Just a one game performance. I provided you with 11 games where Mayfield does in fact put up numbers like this (btw, there's several more than 11). You tried to shift gears and make it about lifetime stats/win-loss records (which are still a terrible stat to judge QBs by) rather than own up to being wrong that Mayfield hasn't had a game performance like that.

And you can pontificate on and on about win-loss records and all that, but ignoring the fact that Mayfield started off on a team at the end of a three year stretch worse than any I can find in NFL history is ridiculous. Take those first two years away and he's comparable to Tua. Tua has a higher pass rating and less interceptions, Mayfield has more yards and more TD passes. Same result if we just look at the years since Tua's been in the league.

What are you not getting? Sooner mentioned 1 GAME. I mentioned 1 GAME. You come in and mention 11 games over a 7 year period aka HIS CAREER. Thats the only reason I mentioned his career marks because you did. If you were trying to make an apt rebuttal, you would've posted what Baker did in his most recent game, not 11 random games.

As soon as you have to mention "but the history of the team" you've thrown objectivity out of the window. Why are we throwing away half of his tenure in that city to fit your agenda? Because your argument here doesn't stand up on its own.



And I'd hope like hell that Baker had more yards and TDs than Tua as he came into the league 2 years before Tua did and has played more games. That has to be the dumbest argument you've made here. You're unraveling.

[Pirate Life]

Yep, this is the original context. Nowhere in your post do you mention seasons, win-loss records or anything else. Nor does Sooner06's either. Just a one game performance. I provided you with 11 games where Mayfield does in fact put up numbers like this (btw, there's several more than 11). You tried to shift gears and make it about lifetime stats/win-loss records (which are st

What are you not getting? Sooner mentioned 1 GAME. I mentioned 1 GAME. You come in and mention 11 games over a 7 year period aka HIS CAREER. Thats the only reason I mentioned his career marks because you did. If you were trying to make an apt rebuttal, you would've posted what Baker did in his most recent game, not 11 random games.

As soon as you have to mention "but the history of the team" you've thrown objectivity out of the window. Why are we throwing away half of his tenure in that city to fit your agenda? Because your argument here doesn't stand up on its own.



And I'd hope like hell that Baker had more yards and TDs than Tua as he came into the league 2 years before Tua did and has played more games. That has to be the dumbest argument you've made here. You're unraveling.

You asked if Baker put up numbers like that, I provided examples to show he had. You decided to shift to comparing careers, not me.

And if you read what I said carefully, Baker has more TD and yards just using the seasons since Tua was drafted. So just comparing from 2020 through last night’s game. Also, what I sampled covers 5 seasons, not 7.

[Bootz]

@Pirate Life I won't repeat myself because at this point you're either playing dumb or it's not an act. So I'll just leave this here. If you're unable to comprehend then I can just assume you don't have the mental capacity to do so.

What are you not getting? Sooner mentioned 1 GAME. I mentioned 1 GAME. You come in and mention 11 games over a 7 year period aka HIS CAREER. Thats the only reason I mentioned his career marks because you did. If you were trying to make an apt rebuttal, you would've posted what Baker did in his most recent game, not 11 random games.

And if you start at 2020, Baker should still have an edge as he's played in 70 games to Tua's 61.

[Grahamburn]

Isn’t availability important to the overall evaluation?

[Bootz]

Isn’t availability important to the overall evaluation?

Important absolutely. Thats not the case Pirate was making here, although I'm not entirely sure he even knows what he's saying.

But if you wanna roll with 1 guy is better than the other just as long as the other doesn't play as much, have at it.

[Grahamburn]

Isn’t availability important to the overall evaluation?

Important absolutely. Thats not the case Pirate was making here, although I'm not entirely sure he even knows what he's saying.

But if you wanna roll with 1 guy is better than the other just as long as the other doesn't play as much, have at it.

You said Baker has an edge in games played. He has that edge because Tua hasn’t been available to play. I think that’s kind of important to the overall evaluation.

[Bootz]

Important absolutely. Thats not the case Pirate was making here, although I'm not entirely sure he even knows what he's saying.

But if you wanna roll with 1 guy is better than the other just as long as the other doesn't play as much, have at it.

You said Baker has an edge in games played. He has that edge because Tua hasn’t been available to play. I think that’s kind of important to the overall evaluation.

Youre not making sense. Both of them have missed games since 2020. Tua has had rib and concussion injuries. Baker had a torn labrum and he was also on the bench when he was with Carolina and LA.

Wouldn't that logic apply to them both?

[Grahamburn]

You said Baker has an edge in games played. He has that edge because Tua hasn’t been available to play. I think that’s kind of important to the overall evaluation.

Youre not making sense. Both of them have missed games since 2020. Tua has had rib and concussion injuries. Baker had a torn labrum and he was also on the bench when he was with Carolina and LA.

Wouldn't that logic apply to them both?

Not if you’re using it as an excuse as to why Tua’s counting numbers aren’t as good.

[Bootz]

Youre not making sense. Both of them have missed games since 2020. Tua has had rib and concussion injuries. Baker had a torn labrum and he was also on the bench when he was with Carolina and LA.

Wouldn't that logic apply to them both?

Not if you’re using it as an excuse as to why Tua’s counting numbers aren’t as good.

I didn't use it as an excuse because I don't see the need to grade on a curve, like you and Pirate do. Thats the only way you can try to make any type of argument for Baker being better than Tua.

And this is a bit of advice: When quantifying data, if you're using counting numbers in any situation, for the data to be objective all parts have to be equal. Otherwise the data is uneven and inaccurate.

[Grahamburn]

Not if you’re using it as an excuse as to why Tua’s counting numbers aren’t as good.

I didn't use it as an excuse because I don't see the need to grade on a curve, like you and Pirate do. Thats the only way you can try to make any type of argument for Baker being better than Tua.

And this is a bit of advice: When quantifying data, if you're using counting numbers in any situation, for the data to be objective all parts have to be equal. Otherwise the data is uneven and inaccurate.

You did though.

And in sports like football it matters whether or not you can actually suit up to lead your team, because if you don’t you keep having losing seasons or missing the playoffs like the Dolphins will this year.

[Grahamburn]

Actually it's not a clear yes and no, that wasn't the overall point of your post I replied to in the first place. You gave Tua's numbers for one game, asked if Mayfield could put up those numbers. Nothing about career numbers at all.

As for 'clearly' better, that's not quite true either. Pure numbers over their career, sure. However, Tua stepped into a much, much better situation than Mayfield did after being drafted. I don't think it can be overstated how terrible Cleveland was back then. They'd gone 4-44 the three years before he was drafted. To find a comparative 3 year stretch like that for the Buccaneers, the team with the worst winning percentage in their history in all of sports we have to go back to Lehman Bennett's two years and the first year of Ray Perkins. Even then, Bucs still won double the games the Browns did in '15, '16 and '17. Even the three year stretch to start the franchise the Bucs teams won 7 games. Even the Lions don't have a stretch like that - and they have two zero win seasons in their history!

The talent on those Browns teams was terrible, they played in one of the toughest divisions in the NFL with both Pittsburgh and Baltimore being very good teams Mayfield's first two seasons. Tua came to a Dolphins team that had some pretty good offensive pieces and a much better defense. He also didn't have the pressure of being the #1 pick or the first QB taken. He was able to sit behind Fitzmagick for 6 games before being named the starter during the bye week. Contrast that to Mayfield who had to go into a a game after Tyrod Taylor was hurt during the third game of the season.

Like it or not, where a player lands after being drafted will have a huge effect on their performance. This is a team sport after all.

Either way, you'll continue to try to frame your posts to make yourself feel better. I do give you credit for not doing the Bootz fade from the convo that often happens when you're incorrect. So brownie points there.

You're twisting my words and the overall basis of the conversation that had nothing to do with you. So as I always have to do, I'll simplify it so hopefully you can understand.

Here's the original context.

37/46(80%) 365 yards 2 TD passes 114.6 passer rating.

Baker put up numbers like this?

Sooner CLEARLY asks "surely looked like it tonight, right Bootz?"

As in just that game, that night. So yes, I posted Tua's numbers FOR THAT GAME. And asked if Baker put up numbers like this? If we're being objective, which it's clear you're not, why would that question be for anything other than Baker's most recent game?

You instead lied and said I asked if Baker had ever had a game like this. I didn't. But if you're mentioning an entire body of work, why stop at a couple of games that fit your narrative if you're being objective? Oh you're not because you know your argument alone has no legs to stand on. Given that naturally someone would deflect to a different conversation, which you did: Team success.

You mentioned Baker going to Cleveland and their past woes well before he got there. Ultimately it didn't work out. He was 29-30 there.

Tua on the other hand has never had a losing record as a starter in Miami. In fact since he got drafted there, Miami is 38-23 when he starts, but just 6-12 when he doesn't. That doesn't sound like a team rooted in a winning culture. That sounds like their QB makes them way better. Cleveland after they let Baker go? 21-24. About the same as they were with him.

You made the point right here. It matters that he’s not available. You have to factor it in.

[Bootz]

I didn't use it as an excuse because I don't see the need to grade on a curve, like you and Pirate do. Thats the only way you can try to make any type of argument for Baker being better than Tua.

And this is a bit of advice: When quantifying data, if you're using counting numbers in any situation, for the data to be objective all parts have to be equal. Otherwise the data is uneven and inaccurate.

You did though.

And in sports like football it matters whether or not you can actually suit up to lead your team, because if you don’t you keep having losing seasons or missing the playoffs like the Dolphins will this year.

Well you have to pick an argument here because it can't be both.

You can't grade on a curve and then say it doesn't matter that the curve isn't equal. Can't use 1 guy missing games as a criticism and ignore it for another to make your argument. You don't care about your credibility, we've established this. But the point you're trying hard to make is making you look even worse than you already do.

[Bootz]

You're twisting my words and the overall basis of the conversation that had nothing to do with you. So as I always have to do, I'll simplify it so hopefully you can understand.

Here's the original context.



Sooner CLEARLY asks "surely looked like it tonight, right Bootz?"

As in just that game, that night. So yes, I posted Tua's numbers FOR THAT GAME. And asked if Baker put up numbers like this? If we're being objective, which it's clear you're not, why would that question be for anything other than Baker's most recent game?

You instead lied and said I asked if Baker had ever had a game like this. I didn't. But if you're mentioning an entire body of work, why stop at a couple of games that fit your narrative if you're being objective? Oh you're not because you know your argument alone has no legs to stand on. Given that naturally someone would deflect to a different conversation, which you did: Team success.

You mentioned Baker going to Cleveland and their past woes well before he got there. Ultimately it didn't work out. He was 29-30 there.

Tua on the other hand has never had a losing record as a starter in Miami. In fact since he got drafted there, Miami is 38-23 when he starts, but just 6-12 when he doesn't. That doesn't sound like a team rooted in a winning culture. That sounds like their QB makes them way better. Cleveland after they let Baker go? 21-24. About the same as they were with him.

You made the point right here. It matters that he’s not available. You have to factor it in.

Again, you can't have it both ways. If it matters that Tua's missed games then it has to matter that Baker has too.

[Grahamburn]

I think I look great. Everyone sees right through you though, pal.

[Bootz]

I think I look great. Everyone sees right through you though, pal.

Thought you didn't care about your internet rep .

Can't see through the facts though.

[mdb1958]

Less than 300 yards will put Mayfield past Jackson, Goff, and Stroud. Then the rest will settle out - stay tuned..

@Buc2 IABL doesnt have that many fish in the koi pond.

That means if Smith and Burrow get 1 and 2, Baker could become #3 with 5 games to go. Plus Mike could make mush out of Jordan Fuller.

[Sooner06]

Lol, "Tua is better than Baker . . ."


Uh huh. Sure looked like it tonight, right Bootz? lol.

37/46(80%) 365 yards 2 TD passes 114.6 passer rating.

Baker put up numbers like this?

This statement confirms you didn't watch this game at all. And if you did then you have no clue what you're seeing.

Lol, I guess you've already forgotten about the fact that Baker played this same GB team last season and threw a perfect game? So we have a true apples-to-apples comparison vs. the same team.

Here, let me help you out:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 170gnb.htm

22/28, 381 yds, 4 TDs, and a perfect 158.3 Passer Rating against the same defense. Oh, and he won that game, because W/L is so important, lol.

And Baker did it in the middle of December.

[Sooner06]

Lol, "Tua is better than Baker . . ."


Uh huh. Sure looked like it tonight, right Bootz? lol.

37/46(80%) 365 yards 2 TD passes 114.6 passer rating.

Baker put up numbers like this?

This statement confirms you didn't watch this game at all. And if you did then you have no clue what you're seeing.

Lol, I did watch that game as a matter of fact. I watched Tua be as ineffective as he usually is in cold weather, not even throwing his first TD until late in the 3rd, when it was already 27-3 and the game was all but over. In spite of the fact that he had the fastest WR duo in the league, the fastest RB duo in the league, and good defense, and a genius HC/OC supporting him.

And I guess you've already forgotten about the fact that Baker played this same GB team last season and threw a perfect game? So we have a true apples-to-apples comparison vs. the same team.

Here, let me help you out:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 170gnb.htm

22/28, 381 yds, 4 TDs, and a perfect 158.3 Passer Rating against the same defense. Oh, and he won that game, because W/L is so important to evaluating QB performance, lol.

And Baker did it in the middle of December.

And while we're at it, Baker's beaten 3 playoff teams this season. Conversely, Tua's beaten zero teams with a winning record.

Now, personally, I'd put some of that on coaching, or defensive performance. But since we can't consider coaching according to Bootz, it's just more conclusive proof that Tua is in fact much worse than Baker in 2024. Even going back to last season, Tua didn't beat any teams with a winning record. So, who's better than who again?

[Sooner06]

Lol, who cares about their W/L records? Matt Stafford's stats are far and away better than just about any QB over the last 16 years, and he has a losing record, 103-113-1. His PR and QBR alone say he's elite, and should be considered a top-5 or so QB at this time. Ditto his TD/INT ratio. His overall stats say he's a HoFer.

His W/L record is a product of playing for one of the worst franchises and some of the worst coaches in NFL history for 12 years of his 16-year career, that consistently sported some of the worst defenses in the league for most of that time.

I mean, Stafford is a textbook example of the truism, "football is the ultimate team sport." No QB is going to have a winning record without a ton of help from his coaches, teammates, defense, STs.

Hell, Mahomes hasn't carried the Chiefs to Ws for two seasons now. The defense, and in several playoff games, the STs have. Anyone with eyes can see that.

So glad you mentioned this.

Matt Stafford has a career QB rating of 91.1. Thats lower than the following guys.

Aaron Rodgers-102.9
Patrick Mahomes-102.5
Lamar Jackson-100.8
Joe Burrow-100.1
Russell Wilson-100
Tua- 98.2
Kirk Cousins- 98.1
Dak Prescott-98.1
Justin Herbert-96.1
Jared Goff- 94.7
Kyler Murray- 92.9
Derek Carr- 92.9
Josh Allen-92.8
Jalen Hurts-92.8

Baker falls below Stafford's at 90.0.

Stafford also has a 1.98 to 1 TD to INT ratio.

That's lower than the following guys.

Aaron Rodgers- 4.39 to 1
Patrick Mahomes- 3.20 to 1
Lamar Jackson- 3.17 to 1
Russell Wilson- 3.16 to 1
Joe Burrow- 3.02 to 1
Justin Herbert- 2.95 to 1
Dak Prescott- 2.60 to 1
Kirk Cousins- 2.41 to 1
Derek Carr- 2.30 to 1
Tua- 2.29 to 1
Jared Goff- 2.25 to 1
Josh Allen- 2.23 to 1
Kyler Murray- 2.12 to 1
Jalen Hurts- 2.05 to 1
Gardner Minshew- 2.00 to 1


Baker falls below Stafford's at 1.86 to 1.


So if Stafford's numbers say he's an elite Hall of Famer, then ALL of these guys who best him in career QB rating, TD to INT ratio, and even though you discount it, winning percentage are Hall of Famers too and better than him, right? Or do you wanna move the goal posts a little further?

Lol, I think you missed the point. I used Stafford "as a textbook example of why stats and W/L records are suspect." Or words to that effect.

And taking out the first four QBs on your list, because as I said, Stafford can't be compared to those guys (though imo he's better than Lamar, but whatever), the tape says he's better than all those guys.

Actually, I have to amend that. Stafford is better than AR as well. Aaron, as much as I like some aspects of his game and the indisputable fact that Rodgers has the better arm, has proven that he's unable to adjust/adapt to either a new system or his declining mobility. On the other hand, Stafford did make those adjustments/adaptations, not only in DET when he had to endure multiple OC changes, but also when he finally was traded to LAR. Where he won a SB in a new system on a new team no less.

So again, in spite of the stats you cherry-picked above, Stafford has proven that he's better than Joe Burrow, who's never won a SB, a declining and limited Russell Wilson, Tua who's never won a playoff game, Kirk Cousins with which there's no comparison anyway, Dak Prescott just lol, Goff who still hasn't won a SB and is inferior in every conceivable way, Justin Herbert who hasn't proven anything as of yet, Kyler Murray who will never be as good as Stafford between the ears, Derek Carr just lol, and Jalen Hurts who also is only a PA QB that hasn't won a SB, that also go this shit pushed in by none other than Baker Mayfield.

And no serious football analyst would take any of those QBs over Matt Stafford. It's utterly ridiculous.

[Grahamburn]

Gutsy. Dude didn’t have his fastball today, but he showed up when we needed him.

[Bootz]

Lol, "Tua is better than Baker . . ."


Uh huh. Sure looked like it tonight, right Bootz? lol.

37/46(80%) 365 yards 2 TD passes 114.6 passer rating.

Baker put up numbers like this?

So the answer was no...

[Primeminister]

Gutsy. Dude didn’t have his fastball today, but he showed up when we needed him.

Hats off to Bakeshow

[Noles1724]

Gotta love twitter

[13F11B]

Gotta love twitter

Since Musk took over it is full of disinformation.

[Grahamburn]

lol

[Babeinbucland]

Honestly I was team Trask but I have absolutely fallen in love with bay bay. I have never purchased a players jersey new, but I just might have to get his