CannonFire wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 5:08 pm
Sooner06 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 3:19 pm
Lawrence's 4-year career on a tragically awful team with awful coach has very similar number to Mayfield's first 4 years on a team with the best RB in the NFL, "decent" WR's, and excellent OLine. The Browns weren't great by any stretch, but they weren't a joke. The Jags were/are. I 'll take the guy on a horrific team who put up similar numbers to a guy in a better situation. The difference in quite miniscule.
Lawrence: 63.3%, 13800, 3.4 TD%, 2.3 Int%, 7.2 y/a, 85 passer rating.
Mayfield: 61.6% 14100, 4.8, 2.9, 7.3, 87.8
Wait, Darnold played against two teams with a winning record? Hang on... let's see: Green Bay, Detroit, Houston, LA Rams, & Seattle. Not, that's not 5? It's 2? Look like 7 total games. How many did we play? Washington, Detroit, Denver, Philly, Baltimore, KC, Chargers. Look at that... 7 teams, 7 total games. Looks pretty similar to me.
LOL, Rodgers is washed. You do realize that people (probably you too), on this board couldn't stop jerking themselves off over Mayfield's 2023 season. News flash, Rodgers last year, on a team that was worse and coming off a major injury, had very similar numbers as Mayfield.
Mayfield 2023: 64.3%, 4044 yards, 28 TD, 10 Int's, 7.1 y/a
Rodgers 2024: 63%, 3897 yards, 28 TD's, 11 Int's, 6.7 y/a
Wilson's last 2 years... passer rating: 97, QBR: 50.7
Mayfield's career... passer rating: 91.2 QBR: 51.2
If he's washed, how come Mayfield isn't? Those numbers are pretty close.
I could go on and on... @Grahamburn is right dude, don't waste your time.
Uh, TL had SB-winning HC Doug Pedersen the last three seasons? one of the better QB mentors in the game, in everyone's opinion. And he had a decent roster including the likes of ETN, C. Kirk, Z. Jones, E. Engram, Josh Hines-Allen, a league-average OL, and a decent defense. at least a good enough roster to make it to the playoffs, even win a game. And how did TL look in his two playoff games? A 60% completion%, 5 TDs, 5 INTs, PR: 72.1
And the team Baker inherited for the first two seasons of his career was a joke, except for Chubb. Beginning with coaching; 3 HCs in Baker's first 3 seasons, 4 OCs? His best WR was Jarvis Landry. Higgins was his other WR (missed nearly an entire season due to injuries during his 4 seasons/CLE), who was so good that he's no longer in the league.
Baker never had a defense in CLE ranked higher than 22nd.
Baker's first two playoff games? 62.0% completion%, 4/1 TD/INT, and a PR: 94.0. Oh, and Stefanski didn't coach Baker in that PIT playoff game; he was home sick with COVID and watched the game from his basement. And Baker threw 3 TD/0 INT with a PR of 115.2 in that game.
So what I see is one QB that shrinks in the playoffs and one that actually plays better in the playoffs. One guy has basically played at the same level for 3 seasons, the other has showed significant improvement year over year. no contest, Baker is the better QB, even without getting into arm strength, talent, acumen, etc.
And what I said about Baker's '23 season was it was a solid performance that he needed to build on, but that I thought he could do that. And shocker, he did, even without Godwin for most of the season. Pretty sure you could simply look up exactly what I said about Baker after the '23 season around here, but it was hardly effusive.
And yeah, Rodgers is probably donezo. he had the benefit of his hand-picked OC last season, a top-tier receiving corps (Garrett Wilson, Davante Adams, Mike Williams, Lazard, Conklin), a top-tier RB in Breece Hall, and at least on paper, one of the best defenses in the league. One that repeatedly kept NYJ in games last season, while Rodgers simply failed to execute his own offense well enough to generate, well, offense. Much less generate Ws. Baker in that offense, with that defense, probably takes NYJ to the playoffs.
Wilson couldn't beat out Justin Fields as QB1 until halfway through the season. 'nuff said.
And, lol, but why are you taking just the last two seasons of Wilson's career vs. Baker's entire career numbers exactly?
how about we take Bake's last two seasons vs. Wilson's last two seasons instead? Can't do that, right? Because Wilson would look like ass, because he's washed. which is why Sean Payton couldn't wait to get rid of him. Benched him around Week 14 in favor of Stidham, i think. And Tomlin got rid of him after just one year.
I mean, a lot of us saw this coming from before SEA traded him to DEN. Without his ability to scramble around and extend plays along with a drop-off in his accuracy, Wilson's struggles to throw over the middle either accurately or on time, the loss of some of his deep ball accuracy, his difficulty learning/knowing the playbook, etc. just caught up to him, plain and simple. Same as what happened to Deshaun Watson. Lost their elusiveness, and then all of their weaknesses/flaws came home to roost. Is what it is.
Anyway, your list gave me some laughs. Thx.
