Welcome Baker Mayfield

[Bootz]

More from Baker’s Popeyes commercial shoot.

[Central_Buc]

draft Arch Manning.

I don't know what to make of him yet. Have you been watching or paying attention? I saw a video a while back about his time in high school. Their point seemed to be that as he got older, his team actually got better, but he performed worse. Has he been doing well when he has a chance to play... better than what Ewers was doing?

He's in a class this year with Sellers of SC and Klubnik of Clemson. Depending on opinion some like one over the other but as of right now these 3 are the cream of all QBs in college this year. Sellers is a freshman so we will see. Most outlets are picking Texas to win the Natty.

I saw another video where they were saying his legs were bigger and stronger compared to Eli and Peyton. Archie was before my time, but if he goes to NO, they will call it :Arch... the next generation" and that will literally be hilarious.

[CannonFire]

If Baker can do that here though, how come he couldn't do that in Cleveland or Carolina?

This can't be a real question?

It's not to you because you don't like the answer.

[CannonFire]

That “just because” is ‘just because’ he played quarterback at an elite level for the majority of the season, based on any metric you want to use.

Right, and you're saying it just "clicked" all of a sudden after 7 seasons and not because the rest of his team was at a level better than what he ever had to work with? He needed 7 seasons to finally be really good? That's a long development window. How many other QB's can you list that took that long?

[CannonFire]

He brought up the point about opponent scoring in losses, not me. I showed him where other teams were in the area as well. I asked him what his point was. I don't believe he has answered yet.

How many games would you say the Bucs lost because of the defense in 2024? How many losses were because of Baker Mayfield's poor play?

I don't believe you'll answer.

Nice strawman. I never said he lost us games. I never said he stinks. You've lied about my posts in multiple occasions before and now you're creating arguments that I never made. What is it with you?

I mean, without really trying to dig deep in my memory banks, I know he did everything he could to lose us that game in New Orleans and he did a pretty good job vs Baltimore with that 30 minute happy feet dance ending with hitting the Ravens DB right in the chest in the back of end zone... followed by another pick the following drive, where he threw it into triple coverage. But, I mean, you'll find excuses to say otherwise.

Here's the thing, every QB does this, even the elite few. They're all human. I also know, and MANY former players, coaches, GM's, and even pundits will tell you that virtually every QB in the NFL (every, meaning starters, 2nd and 3rd teamers), have the ability to pick a defense apart if they have a lot of time and good receivers. Now, the reason they're 2nd and 3rd teamers is because they need that all the time and they need that perfect scenario more times than not.

I've always said Baker was a competent starting QB... for some reason, because I don't think he's top 10, to you, it must mean that I'm saying he sucks. You're last post is right, your argument is tired. You're simply not a person to talk to. I'll let you keep acting like a child and "@" me or just mention my name in future posts when Mayfield has a good game because you think I would be upset for some reason, because that'll make you feel better.

[CannonFire]

It's because my point has never been about Mayfield himself. I swear, I think you people just don't read anything. That said, everything that Mayfield has done here, is more proof that I'm right than you. I'm graciously giving you an out. You're welcome.

Oh a read the rest. It's just more circular nonsense. That's what happens when you start with the (immovable) result and work backwards.

I don't change my opinion because I'm right.
Why? Because I know he's not special, he's not a difference maker.

Cannon "knows".
We'll be in the SB and he'll still "know it to be true".

Oh the irony.

Another strawman over here. I've said we could win a Super Bowl with Mayfield.

[CannonFire]

If Baker can do that here though, how come he couldn't do that in Cleveland or Carolina?

More "the truly great QBs as destined for greatness regardless of anything" bs.

Maybe because it WAS Cleveland and Carolina? We debunked this stupid talking point at the start of the thread even before he blew up. The fact you keep bringing it up now reeks desperate.

It's because you didn't debunk it. You only THINK you did. You think that because it fits your agenda. The reason he didn't do that anywhere else, is because his supporting cast wasn't what it is here.

[Obsolete]

This can't be a real question?

It's not to you because you don't like the answer.

There could be a lot of factors. Yes, having a stronger supporting cast definitely helps, but so does a lot of things.

Maybe it "clicked" and the game has slowed down for him.

Maybe coaches here are better at covering up weaknesses(the longer he holds the ball, he worse he gets).

Maybe hes in a scheme thats better suited to his abilities.

Maybe he was able to find his confidence.

Maybe he matured a bit and takes the game more seriously since all he went through between CLE and CAR.

Point is there are a ton of factors that could be the reason hes doing better here than anywhere else. I'm just happy we have a QB thats been playing at a high level.

Can it all fall apart? Of course, but thats no reason to not enjoy it now while we can.

[Central_Buc]

It's because you didn't debunk it. You only THINK you did. You think that because it fits your agenda. The reason he didn't do that anywhere else, is because his supporting cast wasn't what it is here.

Sir,

Have you welcomed and accepted Baker Mayfield into your life as your savior?

Amen

[Grahamburn]

Anybody think he just flat out elevated Cleveland? They had riots in the fucking streets there because he finally won a regular season game for them.

Then he won a playoff game for them. Against Pittsburgh!! After like a 20 year playoff drought.

He may have worn out his welcome there but god damn can you blame him?

Using his record there against who he is now as a QB is just so unbelievably short sighted.

[CannonFire]

It's not to you because you don't like the answer.

There could be a lot of factors. Yes, having a stronger supporting cast definitely helps, but so does a lot of things.

Maybe it "clicked" and the game has slowed down for him.

Maybe coaches here are better at covering up weaknesses(the longer he holds the ball, he worse he gets).

Maybe hes in a scheme thats better suited to his abilities.

Maybe he was able to find his confidence.

Maybe he matured a bit and takes the game more seriously since all he went through between CLE and CAR.

Point is there are a ton of factors that could be the reason hes doing better here than anywhere else. I'm just happy we have a QB thats been playing at a high level.

Can it all fall apart? Of course, but thats no reason to not enjoy it now while we can.

I agree that all of those factors can impact players here and there. I don't think the ones I highlighted affected Mayfield. He played perfectly fine, showed confidence (even when his team stunk), and was definitely mature as he handled the teams he was on. He has always been a perfectly acceptable, confident, mature, grounded, and optimistic player his whole career. The only 3 that apply to him, are the supporting cast, coaches, and scheme. I think he got the latter 2 in Cleveland and all 3 here. I think Carolina was a mess.

I never said I wasn't enjoying this. I have no issues with Mayfield at all, I've said it a billion times. The only points I've ever argued were the contract, which is stupid (this is a Licht issue), I think people are over-rating him, and that people aren't consistent in their assessment of him and other players. They hold other players to standards they don't hold Mayfield too and they excuse things about Mayfield that they won't with other players. He's a perfectly acceptable QB that we can win with... so long as the team around him is there. He's not a guy who can carry you. He's not a guy I give a ton of money to. I have no problem with them giving him a 7 year contract. I don't even have problem with a 10-year contract. Just make it so that the money doesn't prevent us from building a team that can win, around him.

Right now, he's set to make $50M next with voidable dead money coming the year after. That's absurd. There was no reason to not give him an extension and wipe out those voidable years. The only outcome now is that Licht will have to give him a Trevor Lawrence contract giving him $55M+ over the next 4 years.

If that happens, all I know is that they better hope they hit on Egbuka (I think they did), because Godwin is gone after this season. They better draft good OL's next year, because Goedeke will likely gone after 2026. Vea might be gone after that year too. They better hit on another WR in next year's draft to replace Evans. Better draft 2 RB's next year because White's done after 2026 and Irving might be gone after 2027. That's a lot of BIG hitting they're going to have to do in the next 2 drafts.

[CannonFire]

Joe Flacco did the almost the same thing as Baker in Cleveland, with less talent, coming out of retirement, in 2023... guess he's a top 10 QB too. Wonder why no one's giving him $40M AAV.

[Grahamburn]

Can’t tell anyone how to be a fan, but my god what a miserable existence it must be.

[Sooner06]

Joe Flacco did the almost the same thing as Baker in Cleveland, with less talent, coming out of retirement, in 2023... guess he's a top 10 QB too. Wonder why no one's giving him $40M AAV.

Lol, no he didn't. Flacco didn't play as well as Baker by any metric. he just happened to have one of the best defenses in the league to lean on. Depending on which site you consult, CLE's D ranked somewhere between 10th and 3rd, with a general consensus around 6th-7th.

When Baker was there, CLE's D never finished a season better than 22nd.


And I don't know where you get "with less talent." Baker had Jarvis Landry for ONE full season, he missed games in two of the other three seasons he played with Bake. And while i liked him, he was a possession WR, not a play-maker. Coincidentally, Jarvis had his two best seasons while Baker was his QB. Left the league after the '22 season, probably due to injuries.

R. Higgins started just 12 games in the four years he was teammates with Baker. Based on just his stats, Baker elevated him 100%, literally. he had his two best seasons with Baker, both seasons he doubled his former best pre-Baker. And didn't last one season without Baker, as Higgins was so good, he's been out of the league since 2023.

OBJ. Only played one complete season with Baker. he did have a 1,000yd season with Mayfield, but he also went on a bit of a drop-fest, dropping 14 balls in three seasons, 7 in 2019 alone. Sidenote: OBJ's last 1,000yd season was in 2019, with Baker. After that season, OBJ never broke 600yds again.

and Njoku. Missed nearly all of the 2019 season, several games in '20, and only started 11 games in '21.





Flacco has had E. Moore and Amari Cooper. you know, that guy that was ranked top-3 right before he went to CLE? When did Baker have a top-5 WR in CLE? or anywhere, for that matter? Oh, right, never.

Plus a healthy Njoku AND a top-ranked defense.


And he still crapped down his leg in the playoffs.


Oh, and no one's offering Flacco a big contract because he's 50. Didn't think that needed to be articulated, but here we are, i guess.

[Sooner06]

This can't be a real question?

It's not to you because you don't like the answer.

Uh, no. I'm just surprised anyone would need to have it explained. Not like it's rocket science.

[Pirate Life]

It's not to you because you don't like the answer.

Uh, no. I'm just surprised anyone would need to have it explained. Not like it's rocket science.

Cannon thinks Mayfield had good coaches in Cleveland. 4 head coaches, 4 offensive coordinators and three different base systems on offense (Erhardt-Perkins, Air Coryell, and West Coast) while having a QB coach in his first two years (two different ones at that).

[Sooner06]

Uh, no. I'm just surprised anyone would need to have it explained. Not like it's rocket science.

Cannon thinks Mayfield had good coaches in Cleveland. 4 head coaches, 4 offensive coordinators and three different base systems on offense (Erhardt-Perkins, Air Coryell, and West Coast) while having a QB coach in his first two years (two different ones at that).

Lol, well, if CF thinks that Hue Jackson, Todd Haley, Freddie Kitchens were good coaches . . . well, that says everything you need to know. Thx for the info.

[Central_Buc]

Cannon thinks Mayfield had good coaches in Cleveland. 4 head coaches, 4 offensive coordinators and three different base systems on offense (Erhardt-Perkins, Air Coryell, and West Coast) while having a QB coach in his first two years (two different ones at that).

Lol, well, if CF thinks that Hue Jackson, Todd Haley, Freddie Kitchens were good coaches . . . well, that says everything you need to know. Thx for the info.

Plus, he hasn't even welcomed him in this thread yet

[CannonFire]

Uh, no. I'm just surprised anyone would need to have it explained. Not like it's rocket science.

Cannon thinks Mayfield had good coaches in Cleveland. 4 head coaches, 4 offensive coordinators and three different base systems on offense (Erhardt-Perkins, Air Coryell, and West Coast) while having a QB coach in his first two years (two different ones at that).

This guy thinks Kevin Stefanski isn't a good coach. LOL

Guy's first year, takes a 6-win team (w/Mayfield), to the playoffs. After getting saddled with Watson and losing Nick Chubb W2, goes to the playoffs with JOE FLACCO! No, that dude's not a good coach.


Mayfield's been in Tampa 3 years... now has 3 different OC's. Weird.

[Snake]

If Stefanski was fired, he’d be hired in about 2 milliseconds.

[Bootz]

Joe Flacco did the almost the same thing as Baker in Cleveland, with less talent, coming out of retirement, in 2023... guess he's a top 10 QB too. Wonder why no one's giving him $40M AAV.

Taking things WAY out of perspective. Flacco had a very short stint on a Cleveland team that was already performing very well without him. They were already 8-5 before he stepped in. He didn't hurt them much. But it's not as if he went an entire season like Baker did and get the team to the post season.

[Backside]

Mayfield's been in Tampa 3 years... now has 3 different OC's. Weird.

Baker is a king maker. The previous two are now head coaches, in case you needed reminding.

[Bootz]

Mayfield's been in Tampa 3 years... now has 3 different OC's. Weird.

Baker is a king maker. The previous two are now head coaches, in case you needed reminding.

Your definition of king maker is odd

[Kona]

Mayfield's been in Tampa 3 years... now has 3 different OC's. Weird.

Baker is a king maker. The previous two are now head coaches, in case you needed reminding.

Calling it now, Grizzard takes the Miami job next year

[Backside]

Baker is a king maker. The previous two are now head coaches, in case you needed reminding.

Your definition of king maker is odd

Your urge to nitpick every tiny thing people say is odd.

He’s turning OC’s into HC’s call it whatever the fuck you want

[CannonFire]

Joe Flacco did the almost the same thing as Baker in Cleveland, with less talent, coming out of retirement, in 2023... guess he's a top 10 QB too. Wonder why no one's giving him $40M AAV.

Taking things WAY out of perspective. Flacco had a very short stint on a Cleveland team that was already performing very well without him. They were already 8-5 before he stepped in. He didn't hurt them much. But it's not as if he went an entire season like Baker did and get the team to the post season.

My point was, even the mess that they had, when Flacco came in, they still made the playoffs.

[Phantom]

Baker is a king maker. The previous two are now head coaches, in case you needed reminding.

Calling it now, Grizzard takes the Miami job next year

calling it now. No NFL team shows any interest in him.

[CannonFire]

Mayfield's been in Tampa 3 years... now has 3 different OC's. Weird.

Baker is a king maker. The previous two are now head coaches, in case you needed reminding.

That's one way to look at it. Another would be... 'If this guy can make Baker Mayfield look good, he'll be able to make my guy look great". After all, Stefanski is doing ok there in Cleveland w/o Baker and Canales seemed to make good strides with Young in Carolina.

Bryce Young (career), before benching: 59.5%, 3176, 11 tds, 13 ints, 5.4 ypa, 71.0 passer rating
After getting benched: 61.8%, 2104, 15 tds, 6 ints, 6.6 ypa, 88.9 passer rating

Pretty big improvement, eh?

[Bootz]

Your definition of king maker is odd

Your urge to nitpick every tiny thing people say is odd.

He’s turning OC’s into HC’s call it whatever the fuck you want

I mean if simply becoming a HC makes one a king.....Sure?

[Buc2]

So of y'all take shit way to literal. Chill. geez

[Backside]

Baker is a king maker. The previous two are now head coaches, in case you needed reminding.

That's one way to look at it. Another would be... 'If this guy can make Baker Mayfield look good, he'll be able to make my guy look great". After all, Stefanski is doing ok there in Cleveland w/o Baker and Canales seemed to make good strides with Young in Carolina.

Bryce Young (career), before benching: 59.5%, 3176, 11 tds, 13 ints, 5.4 ypa, 71.0 passer rating
After getting benched: 61.8%, 2104, 15 tds, 6 ints, 6.6 ypa, 88.9 passer rating

Pretty big improvement, eh?

Stefanski is doing okay if having the #2 pick and being considered one of the worst teams in the league is doing okay. And I think he’s a damn good coach. I’m sure he’d love to have Baker right now.

[Central_Buc]

So. Do you concur?

[Central_Buc]

Calling it now, Grizzard takes the Miami job next year

No not Rocky..

[CannonFire]

That's one way to look at it. Another would be... 'If this guy can make Baker Mayfield look good, he'll be able to make my guy look great". After all, Stefanski is doing ok there in Cleveland w/o Baker and Canales seemed to make good strides with Young in Carolina.

Bryce Young (career), before benching: 59.5%, 3176, 11 tds, 13 ints, 5.4 ypa, 71.0 passer rating
After getting benched: 61.8%, 2104, 15 tds, 6 ints, 6.6 ypa, 88.9 passer rating

Pretty big improvement, eh?

Stefanski is doing okay if having the #2 pick and being considered one of the worst teams in the league is doing okay. And I think he’s a damn good coach. I’m sure he’d love to have Baker right now.

I'm sure any coach saddled with Deshaun Watson would... that's a pretty low bar though, don't ya think?

[Backside]

Stefanski is doing okay if having the #2 pick and being considered one of the worst teams in the league is doing okay. And I think he’s a damn good coach. I’m sure he’d love to have Baker right now.

I'm sure any coach saddled with Deshaun Watson would... that's a pretty low bar though, don't ya think?

You’re the one who said Stefanski is doing fine without Baker