*OFFICIAL* NFL 2025 season Thread (teams other than our Bucs)

[Bootz]

Please. Save me the moral victory "at least we tried" crap. "Until it doesn't work" is what cost people their jobs. Objective is to win but you also have to be smart. It's OT. You're trailing by 3. Tie the game and give yourself another chance. Resigning yourself to a loss and holding your head high doesn't add anything to the standings. You've just dropped a home divisional game to a team who now has a better record than you. That matters. And if your position is that it doesn't, you dont know this league at all.

A tie in division and in the conference with 2 ties already in the conference is definitely better than a loss.

Exactly. And funny enough the Rams 3 wins have been against AFC opponents. They are 0-2 vs the NFC so far, with a home loss to a divisional opponent. Depending on what the Cardinals do Sunday vs the Titans, the Rams could be looking at 4th in their division.

[BucsNBills]

McVay made the objectively correct decision to go for it and win the game. The play call is where he fucked up.

[Doctor]

I like it. Everyone wants to go for the win until it doesn't work. Run it down their throats on 4th and short until it doesn't work.

Please. Save me the moral victory "at least we tried" crap. "Until it doesn't work" is what cost people their jobs. Objective is to win but you also have to be smart. It's OT. You're trailing by 3. Tie the game and give yourself another chance. Resigning yourself to a loss and holding your head high doesn't add anything to the standings. You've just dropped a home divisional game to a team who now has a better record than you. That matters. And if your position is that it doesn't, you dont know this league at all.

He was literally going for the win. And they'd been running it very well.

SF wins on a FG if they get it back.

[Grahamburn]

Every head coach in the league goes for that 4th and 1. Even Bowles.

[Bootz]

Every coach should be aware of the scenario and circumstances.

The downside of kicking a FG is you're on defense again and can stop the other team. The downside to missing on 4th & 1 is you lose the game.

It's not rocket science. Take the lesser of 2 evils, knowing what the objective of the game is.

[BucsNBills]

Agree to disagree.

McVay also saw a blocked field goal against the Eagles to lose the game and the Rams had an extra point blocked in this game.

Kicking the FG can only result in a tie game with tons of time left for the 9ers to kick a FG for the win, or miss/blocked instantly losing the game anyway.

The only fault in McVays decision is the playcall.

[Snake]

I go for a single yard every single time. It’s one yard to win the game.

It’s not a certainty, but it’s very much in your favor, especially if you’re a good offensive coach.

[Grahamburn]

They know they lose if they don’t get it. I’m not sure what you mean by “aware of the scenario and circumstances.”

The objective is to win the game. No head coach in the NFL kicks a FG there. Because it’s the loser play every time.

[Snake]

If you kick the FG, the game becomes sudden death with the Niners getting the ball back. You give them the last meaningful drive barring a turnover. Going for it lets you decide the game without giving the ball back.

4th and 1 converts roughly 66%–71% league wide. Converting it sets up 1st and 10 at the 11 with a good chance to score the game winner. Worst case scenario, you run some more clock off and take the 3 points anyway + the Niners get the ball back with less time.

There is no game theoretic response to justify taking the field goal. None that I can see anyway.

[Doctor]

He's typing out his "y'all don't know football" reply

[Bootz]

I go for a single yard every single time. It’s one yard to win the game.

It’s not a certainty, but it’s very much in your favor, especially if you’re a good offensive coach.

No, it's not. It's 1 yard for 1st & 10.

[Bootz]

They know they lose if they don’t get it. I’m not sure what you mean by “aware of the scenario and circumstances.”

The objective is to win the game. No head coach in the NFL kicks a FG there. Because it’s the loser play every time.

Except in the standings, which actually matter...

[Snake]

Right. it’s 1 yard, to have three attempts to win the game. Or worst case scenario, you miss those three attempts, and then you kick a field goal and you’re in the same position. Except the other team has less time.

[Bootz]

If you kick the FG, the game becomes sudden death with the Niners getting the ball back. You give them the last meaningful drive barring a turnover. Going for it lets you decide the game without giving the ball back.

4th and 1 converts roughly 66%–71% league wide. Converting it sets up 1st and 10 at the 11 with a good chance to score the game winner. Worst case scenario, you run some more clock off and take the 3 points anyway + the Niners get the ball back with less time.

There is no game theoretic response to justify taking the field goal. None that I can see anyway.

So a loss is better than a tie is what I'm taking from this.

[Jonny]

It will be great if Mac Jones ends up being the best QB of that horrible QB draft class. I believed he was the most advanced passer with a noodlish arm. I still don't think he is franchise QB material. I wanted him to be. But part of his flaming out in NE had to do with his physical deficiency as well. His arm is a tad weaker than Cousins. He throws like old Peyton Manning that lost to the Seahawks in a blowout in the Superbowl.

But he is my favorite Bama player and by far the best QB to ever play for Bama.

[Backside]

I’m disgusted for Packer fans. Decisions like this by your HC can break your team. I don’t believe LaFleur will be HC of a Super Bowl team.

Remember the Packers trailing the Bucs 31-23 in NFCCCG? LaFluer had the ball at our 8 with 2:05 left. He chose to kick it hoping to get the ball back instead of letting Rodger’s go for the 8. He doesn’t have the balls to go for it all.

Yea, now that you mention it I recall. Stuff like that can be killer to a locker room. Why wouldn't you push it and try to win the game? He's lucky he has such an amazing FO that builds great rosters. The offense was rolling tonight. Go win the fucking game or at least try.

What changed?

[acmillis]

This is the same scenario we were in against the Chiefs last season. We kicked the extra point...and lost. EVERYONE was pissed we didn't go for two.

[Snake]

McVay wasn’t saying a loss is better than a tie. He was saying, “Given the OT rules, field position, and time remaining…going for 4th and 1 gives me the best chance to win.”

“Why go for the win tho? You could lose.”

Going for it increases the probability of a loss. True. but it increases the probability weighted value (EV) of a win more than that.

In terms of NFL standings, win = 1, tie = 0.5, loss = 0.

So it becomes an equation. Which decision on 4th and one, on average, yields the most points in the standings?

Going for it does. A tie wasn’t certain. And a good shot at winning is > maybe tying.

[Snake]

Can’t emphasis enough how 4th and 1 in that area of the field is different than 4th and 8. Field position, down and distance, all slide the probability accordingly.

OT rules also factor in.

As does the meta game. How has the “game within the game” been going? Which matchups are working, which ones aren’t? How is the game trending? Though, those questions matter less and less when the yardage you need to attain is shorter and shorter.

A good offensive coach, and Sean McVay is, gets that one yard more often than not.

[Bootz]

Yea, now that you mention it I recall. Stuff like that can be killer to a locker room. Why wouldn't you push it and try to win the game? He's lucky he has such an amazing FO that builds great rosters. The offense was rolling tonight. Go win the fucking game or at least try.

What changed?

From what?

[Backside]

What changed?

From what?

Your “go win the fucking game or at least try” mindset

[Bootz]

From what?

Your “go win the fucking game or at least try” mindset

Serious question: Do you not understand the differences in the scenarios of both games? If you don't, just say you don't. But there's a lot of context you're excluding and once again the scenarios are different.

[Backside]

Your “go win the fucking game or at least try” mindset

Serious question: Do you not understand the differences in the scenarios of both games? If you don't, just say you don't. But there's a lot of context you're excluding and once again the scenarios are different.

So tie the game if you can hit the FG without getting blocked (already happened in this game)

Give the ball back to the Niners with ~3:30 left and any score wins the game for them.

If you stop them and force a punt (not something they were doing very well all night) you then have to drive back into FG range to try and get the winning kick. Having no idea how much time would be left, but likely hardly any at all.


You think all of that is a better scenario than trying to pick up one yard on fourth down? Even after it didn’t work there is basically unanimous consent that it was the right move to go for it. Assuming you are playing to win then please explain your thought process for how that happens in a way that it makes more sense than trying to get a single yard.

To me if you kick the FG to tie the game you are basically begging for that outcome to hold with a very good chance you still lose. Best case scenario tie or going for the 4th and 1 and a great chance to win? The decision seems obvious. I haven’t seen the analytics but I bet it would be overwhelmingly biased towards going for it as well.

[Bootz]

Serious question: Do you not understand the differences in the scenarios of both games? If you don't, just say you don't. But there's a lot of context you're excluding and once again the scenarios are different.

So tie the game if you can hit the FG without getting blocked (already happened in this game)

Give the ball back to the Niners with ~3:30 left and any score wins the game for them.

If you stop them and force a punt (not something they were doing very well all night) you then have to drive back into FG range to try and get the winning kick. Having no idea how much time would be left, but likely hardly any at all.


You think all of that is a better scenario than trying to pick up one yard on fourth down? Even after it didn’t work there is basically unanimous consent that it was the right move to go for it. Assuming you are playing to win then please explain your thought process for how that happens in a way that it makes more sense than trying to get a single yard.

To me if you kick the FG to tie the game you are basically begging for that outcome to hold with a very good chance you still lose. Best case scenario tie or going for the 4th and 1 and a great chance to win? The decision seems obvious. I haven’t seen the analytics but I bet it would be overwhelmingly biased towards going for it as well.

A lot of words to say you dont understand the differences in the scenarios. Sounds like you didn't watch 1 of the games because had you watched both there's zero chance an even marginally intelligent person wouldn't understand the differences.

[Backside]

So tie the game if you can hit the FG without getting blocked (already happened in this game)

Give the ball back to the Niners with ~3:30 left and any score wins the game for them.

If you stop them and force a punt (not something they were doing very well all night) you then have to drive back into FG range to try and get the winning kick. Having no idea how much time would be left, but likely hardly any at all.


You think all of that is a better scenario than trying to pick up one yard on fourth down? Even after it didn’t work there is basically unanimous consent that it was the right move to go for it. Assuming you are playing to win then please explain your thought process for how that happens in a way that it makes more sense than trying to get a single yard.

To me if you kick the FG to tie the game you are basically begging for that outcome to hold with a very good chance you still lose. Best case scenario tie or going for the 4th and 1 and a great chance to win? The decision seems obvious. I haven’t seen the analytics but I bet it would be overwhelmingly biased towards going for it as well.

A lot of words to say you dont understand the differences in the scenarios. Sounds like you didn't watch 1 of the games because had you watched both there's zero chance an even marginally intelligent person wouldn't understand the differences.

Literally everyone disagrees with you Bootzie but okay.

Still haven’t explained why the FG is the right call either, but just continue to belittle the intelligence of others while offering nothing yourself.

[Bootz]

A lot of words to say you dont understand the differences in the scenarios. Sounds like you didn't watch 1 of the games because had you watched both there's zero chance an even marginally intelligent person wouldn't understand the differences.

Literally everyone disagrees with you Bootzie but okay.

Still haven’t explained why the FG is the right call either, but just continue to belittle the intelligence of others while offering nothing yourself.

You still didn't answer the question. But if you wanna deflect, check mait.

And hiding behind group think?

"Everyone thinks losing is better than tying except you. So they must be right".

Uh huh..

[Backside]

Everyone thinks going for a 4th and 1 is better than taking a tie (at best) yes.

You don’t but refuse to state why.

There is a difference between the Packers game and the game last night, the main one being that it made infinitely more sense for the Packers to take the tie than for the Rams to do the same last night. Because there was no time left when the Packers kicked.

It’s not group think, it’s every person on earth except you, and you can’t even give your reasoning

Anything to be contrarian!

[Bootz]

Everyone thinks going for a 4th and 1 is better than taking a tie (at best) yes.

You don’t but refuse to state why.

There is a difference between the Packers game and the game last night, the main one being that it made infinitely more sense for the Packers to take the tie than for the Rams to do the same last night. Because there was no time left when the Packers kicked.

It’s not group think, it’s every person on earth except you, and you can’t even give your reasoning

Anything to be contrarian!

Confirmation that you either dont understand the differences OR you're purposely twisting the context of what I said in BOTH scenarios.

And you continue to deflect. "going for 4th & 1" isn't a result like a tie or loss is. You know that and you're still acting naive.

[Grahamburn]

This is the same scenario we were in against the Chiefs last season. We kicked the extra point...and lost. EVERYONE was pissed we didn't go for two.

Yup.

[Backside]

Everyone thinks going for a 4th and 1 is better than taking a tie (at best) yes.

You don’t but refuse to state why.

There is a difference between the Packers game and the game last night, the main one being that it made infinitely more sense for the Packers to take the tie than for the Rams to do the same last night. Because there was no time left when the Packers kicked.

It’s not group think, it’s every person on earth except you, and you can’t even give your reasoning

Anything to be contrarian!

Confirmation that you either dont understand the differences OR you're purposely twisting the context of what I said in BOTH scenarios.

And you continue to deflect. "going for 4th & 1" isn't a result like a tie or loss is. You know that and you're still acting naive.

I can acknowledge that the two game weren’t the exact same but I’m still not sure how you manage to square being disgusted by how the Packers handled their game to tie instead of trying to win and also thinking the very obvious move was for the Rams to tie the game last night instead of going for one yard to extend their drive and be in range of a game winning TD. You can impart that wisdom though, I’d love to hear it.


But completely ignore that other game if you want. Just last night; If the Rams decide to kick and manage to make that FG the Niners still have a WAY better chance at winning the game than the Rams do. I have yet to see any explanation for why that is a better outcome than relying on your offense to get one yard.

[Pirate Life]

Mistake McVey made was running it instead of play action once the 49ers loaded the box. Especially as good as Stafford’s been throwing lately.

[Doctor]

Called it.

[Buc2]

Just received a news alert that Mark Sanchez was stabbed in Indianapolis. He was there to call the Colts game. Currently in stable condition. No details.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/breaking-n ... 00412.html

[Bootz]

Just received a news alert that Mark Sanchez was stabbed in Indianapolis. He was there to call the Colts game. Currently in stable condition. No details.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/breaking-n ... 00412.html

That's some pretty scary stuff. Glad he is stable now.

EDIT: In a bizarre twist, Sanchez has been arrested for his role in this incident.

[Phantom]

Insane