Todd Bowles is a fucking fraud

[Digital_Damage]

just a reminder..

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Fire Bowles?

[CantonJester]

[King Bootz]

Fire Bowles?

#HateSpeech

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Who made the "Fire Lovie" thread the day he got hired? Shit was hilarious.

For all you kids out there, we were all just finished preparing to burn Ray Jay to the ground trying to get Greg Schiano fired. Schiano was in my 15 years of message boards the only thing it has ever unanimously agreed on.... though it took a while to get there.

[Babeinbucland]

I HATED Schiano with a passion. I just found him disgusting on so many levels, not the least of which is I am convinced he broke Josh Freeman.

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I HATED Schiano with a passion. I just found him disgusting on so many levels, not the least of which is I am convinced he broke Josh Freeman.

It got to the point where we were arguing the depths at which he sucked.

[King Bootz]

I HATED Schiano with a passion. I just found him disgusting on so many levels, not the least of which is I am convinced he broke Josh Freeman.

The entire thing began with a bad taste. Remember that "extensive" coaching search and then it resulted in this guy? A mediocre Big East HC? That's the best we could do?

People tried their best to rationalize it but I think 90% of us were completely off the bandwagon that 2nd week game in New York in which the Giants came back and beat us and Greg had our defense rushing the pile when the Giants were kneeling to end the game.

Terrible hire.

[These Are The Days]

I HATED Schiano with a passion. I just found him disgusting on so many levels, not the least of which is I am convinced he broke Josh Freeman.

The entire thing began with a bad taste. Remember that "extensive" coaching search and then it resulted in this guy? A mediocre Big East HC? That's the best we could do?

People tried their best to rationalize it but I think 90% of us were completely off the bandwagon that 2nd week game in New York in which the Giants came back and beat us and Greg had our defense rushing the pile when the Giants were kneeling to end the game.

Terrible hire.

I don't think he made one halftime adjustment in two years.

[Miller4Prez64]

I HATED Schiano with a passion. I just found him disgusting on so many levels, not the least of which is I am convinced he broke Josh Freeman.

The entire thing began with a bad taste. Remember that "extensive" coaching search and then it resulted in this guy? A mediocre Big East HC? That's the best we could do?

People tried their best to rationalize it but I think 90% of us were completely off the bandwagon that 2nd week game in New York in which the Giants came back and beat us and Greg had our defense rushing the pile when the Giants were kneeling to end the game.

Terrible hire.

People tried to rationalize it because he was the anti Raheem in many ways. Everyone was convinced the young roster needed a tough guy HC and not someone who would be buddy buddy with the team like Raheem. Plus Belichick loved him.

I admit to being on board with it at first, but I should have known that professional players weren’t going to respect a dude from Rutgers.

[Tnbandwagoner]

So all that poop about Licht being a good GM...yeah, I think we can safely put that to rest now.

This is easily the worst HC hire any contender team in the NFL has made in a decade, probably multiple decades. Just mind-bogglingly incompetent, negligent, and just generally a half-assed abnegation of his obligation to the players and other coaches of this team. And it’s a huge FU to the fans because he would have to be even dumber than he appears at present to assume we don’t know what a catastrophically bad hire this is.

You just got the GOAT back and then you pull this? Really unconscionable.

[Primeminister]

So all that poop about Licht being a good GM...yeah, I think we can safely put that to rest now.

This is easily the worst HC hire any contender team in the NFL has made in a decade, probably multiple decades. Just mind-bogglingly incompetent, negligent, and just generally a half-assed abnegation of his obligation to the players and other coaches of this team. And it’s a huge FU to the fans because he would have to be even dumber than he appears at present to assume we don’t know what a catastrophically bad hire this is.

You just got the GOAT back and then you pull this? Really unconscionable.

I don’t know you, but STFU.

Thanks.

[real bucs fan]

I’ve always had a ton of respect for Bowles… but that last call against the Rams haunts me.

[These Are The Days]

Let's hope his new DC tandem isn't blitz happy

[IronDog]

Must have been one of Tom's conditions for the Glazers in order for him to "unretire". Can't even begin to count the number of the talking heads that were convinced some feud existed between TB and BA.

[Babeinbucland]

I HATED Schiano with a passion. I just found him disgusting on so many levels, not the least of which is I am convinced he broke Josh Freeman.

The entire thing began with a bad taste. Remember that "extensive" coaching search and then it resulted in this guy? A mediocre Big East HC? That's the best we could do?

People tried their best to rationalize it but I think 90% of us were completely off the bandwagon that 2nd week game in New York in which the Giants came back and beat us and Greg had our defense rushing the pile when the Giants were kneeling to end the game.

Terrible hire.

It sure wasn’t 90% who even ever got off the bandwagon. More like 60% stayed on for the entire ride. Truly. I remember how repeatedly stunned I was by how often and intensely he would be defended. SMH

[Babeinbucland]

The entire thing began with a bad taste. Remember that "extensive" coaching search and then it resulted in this guy? A mediocre Big East HC? That's the best we could do?

People tried their best to rationalize it but I think 90% of us were completely off the bandwagon that 2nd week game in New York in which the Giants came back and beat us and Greg had our defense rushing the pile when the Giants were kneeling to end the game.

Terrible hire.

People tried to rationalize it because he was the anti Raheem in many ways. Everyone was convinced the young roster needed a tough guy HC and not someone who would be buddy buddy with the team like Raheem. Plus Belichick loved him.

I admit to being on board with it at first, but I should have known that professional players weren’t going to respect a dude who was an absolute dickhead

FIFY

[King Bootz]

The entire thing began with a bad taste. Remember that "extensive" coaching search and then it resulted in this guy? A mediocre Big East HC? That's the best we could do?

People tried their best to rationalize it but I think 90% of us were completely off the bandwagon that 2nd week game in New York in which the Giants came back and beat us and Greg had our defense rushing the pile when the Giants were kneeling to end the game.

Terrible hire.

I don't think he made one halftime adjustment in two years.

How could he? According to him, halftime was for using the bathroom, getting rehydrated, getting a quick bite to eat. Who had time for adjustments?

[Tnbandwagoner]

So all that poop about Licht being a good GM...yeah, I think we can safely put that to rest now.

This is easily the worst HC hire any contender team in the NFL has made in a decade, probably multiple decades. Just mind-bogglingly incompetent, negligent, and just generally a half-assed abnegation of his obligation to the players and other coaches of this team. And it’s a huge FU to the fans because he would have to be even dumber than he appears at present to assume we don’t know what a catastrophically bad hire this is.

You just got the GOAT back and then you pull this? Really unconscionable.

I don’t know you, but STFU.

Thanks.

I don't know you, and care not what you think. He's not a great coach, not even a good one. This is a horrible hire.

[MJW]

So all that poop about Licht being a good GM...yeah, I think we can safely put that to rest now.

This is easily the worst HC hire any contender team in the NFL has made in a decade, probably multiple decades. Just mind-bogglingly incompetent, negligent, and just generally a half-assed abnegation of his obligation to the players and other coaches of this team. And it’s a huge FU to the fans because he would have to be even dumber than he appears at present to assume we don’t know what a catastrophically bad hire this is.

You just got the GOAT back and then you pull this? Really unconscionable.

You're on record. Calm down.

[MJW]

I don't want to upset certain people here, but Bowles's time in NY is characterized by some of the worst drafting I've ever seen.

In 2015, they took Leonard Williams, who was pretty good (though then they traded him away.) Devin Smith is hanging onto the league by a fingernail, but nobody else is still in the NFL from that draft.

In 2016, Darron Lee was the first pick. He did little and was out of the league last year. The Jets maybe had a worse 2nd round pick that year than Roberto Aguayo in Christian Hackenberg, who never played a snap in the league. There are a couple of other guys from that draft still playing, but nobody worth caring about.

In 2017, Jamal Adams was taken. He was good but he's gone. Marcus Maye was in the 2nd. He's okay, but going safety back to back with a bad roster is bizarre. Nobody else from that class did anything.

In 2018, they traded three 2nd round picks to move up for Sam Darnold. Enough said. The only regular starter for the Jets from that group is Folorunso Fatukasi, whoever he is.

Basically, nobody from those four years made good on the Jets. The two guys who were really good were traded before their rookie deals were up. Keep in mind, this is on the heels of Rex Ryan leaving him an old, bad roster with no quarterback.

I don't know if Todd Bowles is a good or bad head coach. I do know that he was saddled with an awful situation with the Jets that the FO kept making worse and worse.

[MJW]

I'll close with this - the one halfway, okay-ish roster Bowles had with the Jets was 2015. Based on talent, this Bucs team would beat that team by 42 points. Bowles went 10-6 with Ryan Fitzpatrick starting 16 games.

I think he'll be fine. At least next year. After that...well...it might not really matter.

[Defense5599]

I'll close with this - the one halfway, okay-ish roster Bowles had with the Jets was 2015. Based on talent, this Bucs team would beat that team by 42 points. Bowles went 10-6 with Ryan Fitzpatrick starting 16 games.

I think he'll be fine. At least next year. After that...well...it might not really matter.

He will be fine if he can get a DC who will have enough common sense when to call a prevent play and when to call an all out blitz. He's gotta realize he is the head coach and he cannot be meddling in the defense.

[MJW]

I'll close with this - the one halfway, okay-ish roster Bowles had with the Jets was 2015. Based on talent, this Bucs team would beat that team by 42 points. Bowles went 10-6 with Ryan Fitzpatrick starting 16 games.

I think he'll be fine. At least next year. After that...well...it might not really matter.

He will be fine if he can get a DC who will have enough common sense when to call a prevent play and when to call an all out blitz. He's gotta realize he is the head coach and he cannot be meddling in the defense.

On this point, I agree 100%. It's my biggest concern about his tenure. I'm not sure, based on watching him in NY and reading about his time there, that he gets that he's now the big picture guy. The CEO. The culture builder. He should be trusting Rodgers/Foote to run the defense and Leftwich (and tbh TB12) to run the offense while he runs the TEAM. The great ones all understand this. Hire good people (already done) and trust them to do the jobs they were hired to do.

You know a great line from a movie? It was that Steve Jobs movie, when someone points out (as a metaphor) that he doesn't play an instrument and he doesn't conduct the music, so what does he really do? And he says, "I play the orchestra." The great coaches all get that. BA clearly LOVED calling the plays, but he left Leftwich do it here. He trusted him to do the job.

[King Bootz]

Are we going to pretend like the 2 guys who were in the Super Bowl this year weren't the REAL OCs of their respective teams?

Miss me with this "HC has to he the CEO" nonsense. It's an archaic thought. Head coaches today are hired BECAUSE of their skills set coaching 1 side of the ball, no matter what they tell you. After Sean McVay had his success, teams went for the young, (*****), offensive minded coaching candidate with playcaller experience and an expertise in developing QBs. They didn't hire those guys to be hands off.

Bowles isn't that guy. But to say he should have no input on the defense is ludicrous. He is our most experienced mind on defense. He coached a Superbowl winning defensive unit. You're crazy to think he's going to be completely hands off.

I'll put it this way as well. The Rams, 49ers, Packers all lost their OCs this offseason. Not 1 of those guys called the plays for their offense. Why not? The HC on each of those teams does.

[TonyLip]

I'll close with this - the one halfway, okay-ish roster Bowles had with the Jets was 2015. Based on talent, this Bucs team would beat that team by 42 points. Bowles went 10-6 with Ryan Fitzpatrick starting 16 games.

I think he'll be fine. At least next year. After that...well...it might not really matter.

+1

[These Are The Days]

I don't think he made one halftime adjustment in two years.

How could he? According to him, halftime was for using the bathroom, getting rehydrated, getting a quick bite to eat. Who had time for adjustments?

Holy shit he DID say that. I had that blocked from my memory

[King Bootz]

How could he? According to him, halftime was for using the bathroom, getting rehydrated, getting a quick bite to eat. Who had time for adjustments?

Holy shit he DID say that. I had that blocked from my memory

I'll never forget that crap. He tried to justify the reason he didn't bother with adjustments and responded in the absolute worst way.

[These Are The Days]

Holy shit he DID say that. I had that blocked from my memory

I'll never forget that crap. He tried to justify the reason he didn't bother with adjustments and responded in the absolute worst way.

I'll be fine with Bowles as long as there's none of that crap. Let Brady do his thing so long as he and Lefty are on the same page. Leave that alone, it's the GOAT for God's sake. Focus on halftime adjustments defensively.

There's no reason the season needs to fall off a cliff. The timing of the move and bitterness of the worst blitz in team history is just fresh.

This is still a very good team and have the fortune that we should sweep our division this year

[King Bootz]

I'll never forget that crap. He tried to justify the reason he didn't bother with adjustments and responded in the absolute worst way.

I'll be fine with Bowles as long as there's none of that crap. Let Brady do his thing so long as he and Lefty are on the same page. Leave that alone, it's the GOAT for God's sake. Focus on halftime adjustments defensively.

There's no reason the season needs to fall off a cliff. The timing of the move and bitterness of the worst blitz in team history is just fresh.

This is still a very good team and have the fortune that we should sweep our division this year

People are only pretending to be mad at the blitz because it didn't work. Truth is it didn't work because multiple guys didn't execute.

If Lavonte David actually attempts his assignment instead of just standing in space, MAYBE Stafford is off target or rushed a bit and maybe it's a different conversation today.

We'll never know. But 1 play shouldn't decide the fate of a coach. No one seemed to mind that before getting the Broncos job, Nathaniel Hackett's offense mustered 7 points in his final game as Packers OC. Or that before getting the Bears job Matt Eburfluss'(spell check) last time as Colts DC was his defense getting carved up by the "high powered" Jags offense.

Bowles was put in this position from the start to take over 1 day. I think everyone pretty much knew it too.

[Buc2]

I'll be fine with Bowles as long as there's none of that crap. Let Brady do his thing so long as he and Lefty are on the same page. Leave that alone, it's the GOAT for God's sake. Focus on halftime adjustments defensively.

There's no reason the season needs to fall off a cliff. The timing of the move and bitterness of the worst blitz in team history is just fresh.

This is still a very good team and have the fortune that we should sweep our division this year

People are only pretending to be mad at the blitz because it didn't work. Truth is it didn't work because multiple guys didn't execute.

If Lavonte David actually attempts his assignment instead of just standing in space, MAYBE Stafford is off target or rushed a bit and maybe it's a different conversation today.

We'll never know. But 1 play shouldn't decide the fate of a coach. No one seemed to mind that before getting the Broncos job, Nathaniel Hackett's offense mustered 7 points in his final game as Packers OC. Or that before getting the Bears job Matt Eburfluss'(spell check) last time as Colts DC was his defense getting carved up by the "high powered" Jags offense.

Bowles was put in this position from the start to take over 1 day. I think everyone pretty much knew it too.

Agreed, but that still was a shitty decision.

[These Are The Days]

I'll be fine with Bowles as long as there's none of that crap. Let Brady do his thing so long as he and Lefty are on the same page. Leave that alone, it's the GOAT for God's sake. Focus on halftime adjustments defensively.

There's no reason the season needs to fall off a cliff. The timing of the move and bitterness of the worst blitz in team history is just fresh.

This is still a very good team and have the fortune that we should sweep our division this year

People are only pretending to be mad at the blitz because it didn't work. Truth is it didn't work because multiple guys didn't execute.

If Lavonte David actually attempts his assignment instead of just standing in space, MAYBE Stafford is off target or rushed a bit and maybe it's a different conversation today.

We'll never know. But 1 play shouldn't decide the fate of a coach. No one seemed to mind that before getting the Broncos job, Nathaniel Hackett's offense mustered 7 points in his final game as Packers OC. Or that before getting the Bears job Matt Eburfluss'(spell check) last time as Colts DC was his defense getting carved up by the "high powered" Jags offense.

Bowles was put in this position from the start to take over 1 day. I think everyone pretty much knew it too.

Ehhhh agree to disagree on the play call but you're dead on about Bowles being an heir apparent the day he walked into the door. There's no reason for him to not be a head coach right now. Although funny enough, I can't recall if he had taken any interviews for a head job. It doesn't necessarily matter to me anymore, I'm over the shock and awe of the move. This was the right thing to do for everyone as it stands today. BA took the win-win and for all I know, Bowles' promotion was always the plan. It's better it starts now because "run it back with everyone but a few new rookies" didn't work last year. And the last thing I want to see us do is a formula from 2 years ago when we need to be adapting while we still have some miles left to give on what elite talent we DO have



Edit: punctuation saves lives

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Some extra context on that play

[kaimaru]

So all that poop about Licht being a good GM...yeah, I think we can safely put that to rest now.

This is easily the worst HC hire any contender team in the NFL has made in a decade, probably multiple decades. Just mind-bogglingly incompetent, negligent, and just generally a half-assed abnegation of his obligation to the players and other coaches of this team. And it’s a huge FU to the fans because he would have to be even dumber than he appears at present to assume we don’t know what a catastrophically bad hire this is.

You just got the GOAT back and then you pull this? Really unconscionable.

It will be hard to beat Urban Meyer.

[Redrum]

Some extra context on that play

Reminds me of GB playing cover 1 right before halftime and Scotty burning them. You have to double Kupp and put your best corner on him. I still mostly like Bowles though. David messed the blitz up.