Rapid response _Bucs prevail over the Texans

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Re: Rapid response _Bucs prevail over the Texans

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Bootz wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:10 pm
Phantom wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 12:56 pm lol

Sounds like Jordan Schultz doesn't actually watch the Bucs. We're 2-0 because our defense has done very well vs the run and in the red zone and our QB has generated some 4th quarter comebacks. That "synergy" isn't there yet. Overall the offense is not operating very smoothly or efficiently.


Tough to be efficient or smooth when the starting OL currently doesn't have any actual LTs in it.
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Sooner06 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:13 pm
Bootz wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:10 pm

Sounds like Jordan Schultz doesn't actually watch the Bucs. We're 2-0 because our defense has done very well vs the run and in the red zone and our QB has generated some 4th quarter comebacks. That "synergy" isn't there yet. Overall the offense is not operating very smoothly or efficiently.


Tough to be efficient or smooth when the starting OL currently doesn't have any actual LTs in it.
Exactly. So wouldn't you say its strange for someone to call it such? You can't already be what you haven't been.
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Bootz wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:15 pm
Sooner06 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:13 pm



Tough to be efficient or smooth when the starting OL currently doesn't have any actual LTs in it.
Exactly. So wouldn't you say its strange for someone to call it such? You can't already be what you haven't been.


He's had some solid moments. The scripts seemingly are working out fairly well. the middle parts of the games are a bit clunky, but I don't know how much we can realistically expect given the limitations. I want to see how the offense looks after we get Godwin, JMac, Wirfs, and Goedeke back. When we can actually run the playbook in full.


Oh, never mind. I get it. Yeah, his observation is kinda off-key, like he's only watched the highlight reel of the games, not the actual games.
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Sooner06 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:23 pm
Bootz wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:15 pm

Exactly. So wouldn't you say its strange for someone to call it such? You can't already be what you haven't been.


He's had some solid moments. The scripts seemingly are working out fairly well. the middle parts of the games are a bit clunky, but I don't know how much we can realistically expect given the limitations. I want to see how the offense looks after we get Godwin, JMac, Wirfs, and Goedeke back. When we can actually run the playbook in full.
EXACTLY!!

You're missing the point here. What Schultz said hasn't been true and by your own admission can't be because we dont have the pieces in place yet. I'm not saying I expected it to. The scripts are the last thing that have been working well. Baker's improvisation is what's been working.

Edit: Didn't see your edit. That's all I'm saying.
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Anyone think this is actually true??

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Bootz wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:32 pm
Sooner06 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:23 pm



He's had some solid moments. The scripts seemingly are working out fairly well. the middle parts of the games are a bit clunky, but I don't know how much we can realistically expect given the limitations. I want to see how the offense looks after we get Godwin, JMac, Wirfs, and Goedeke back. When we can actually run the playbook in full.
EXACTLY!!

You're missing the point here. What Schultz said hasn't been true and by your own admission can't be because we dont have the pieces in place yet. I'm not saying I expected it to. The scripts are the last thing that have been working well. Baker's improvisation is what's been working.

Edit: Didn't see your edit. That's all I'm saying.

Eh, the script didn't work vs. ATL, but they seemed to work vs. HOU. First two drives resulted in TDs, and when I review the play-by-play, those certainly look like scripted plays to me.
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Sooner06 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:24 pm
Bootz wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:32 pm

EXACTLY!!

You're missing the point here. What Schultz said hasn't been true and by your own admission can't be because we dont have the pieces in place yet. I'm not saying I expected it to. The scripts are the last thing that have been working well. Baker's improvisation is what's been working.

Edit: Didn't see your edit. That's all I'm saying.

Eh, the script didn't work vs. ATL, but they seemed to work vs. HOU. First two drives resulted in TDs, and when I review the play-by-play, those certainly look like scripted plays to me.
1st offensive play was literally a throw away by Baker. There were also numerous check downs to our RBs and occasions where he had to get to 2nd and 3rd reads for the play. The script worked but the process was very up and down.

Furthermore after those 2 drives, the subsequent 7 drives yielded 5 punts, 1 blocked punt and a missed FG. AKA absolutely nothing. Not sure I'd call that part of the plan.
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Bootz wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 8:51 pm
Sooner06 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:24 pm


Eh, the script didn't work vs. ATL, but they seemed to work vs. HOU. First two drives resulted in TDs, and when I review the play-by-play, those certainly look like scripted plays to me.
1st offensive play was literally a throw away by Baker. There were also numerous check downs to our RBs and occasions where he had to get to 2nd and 3rd reads for the play. The script worked but the process was very up and down.

Furthermore after those 2 drives, the subsequent 7 drives yielded 5 punts, 1 blocked punt and a missed FG. AKA absolutely nothing. Not sure I'd call that part of the plan.


I mean, I don't know what we're arguing about. The first 15 or so plays of any game are going to be scripted, no? So, by that logic, the first TD series and about 3-4 plays into the next TD series for TB were almost certainly scripted. And those resulted in a a pair of TDs. I'd say the script worked vs. HOU.

After that, we get three drives that are basically cancelled by sacks and penalties, before Baker executes another scoring drive that goes 9 plays/60 yds, that should've resulted in at least a FG but Chase misses the chip shot.

Then comes the blocked punt fiasco, et another drive that ends in a punt by a sack and the fact that the HOU D finally stuffs the run.

then we get the final TD drive to win the game.

I mean, it wasn't pretty, and not nearly efficient enough, but Grizz and Baker were dealing with an OL that featured zero OTs and just one Ol that was actually playing the position he was supposed to be playing. Not sure how realistic it is to expect 60% scoring rates or whatever in that situation against a top-5 D with one of the best pass-rushing DLs in the league.
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Babeinbucland wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:02 pm Anyone think this is actually true??


The first time I heard this theory I thought it was ridiculous. It was so silly I found a :30 second clip of the "Nick Chubb scores a 25-yd TD" play on YT and replayed it a bunch of times.

I think it's possible. i watched this clip on YT a bunch of times last night. Turned the sound off and just replayed it from just before the snap maybe two dozen times. when you watch the DL, in particular Vea, there's no pop by any of them at the snap. They come off the snap like it's practice. And Vea actually goes backwards and he's being single blocked, I think. When's the last time one C/G pushed Vea backwards?


It's still crazy to me that Bowles of all people would change his stripes and zig instead of zag. but those guys don't look like they're trying very hard, imo.

ymmv.
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@Sooner06 Thank you for all of that!
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