Myles Garrett

[__Chef__]

we need all the draft picks we have.

JTS and Hall disagree.

[Phantom]

I'm more of a draft over trade guy myself but this is a veteran team that needs a few key pieces on defense to make a serious run, so it makes sense to do this.

I agree, but Garrett is once in a lifetime generation player. You have to seize that opportunity.

[Al Bundy]

George Edwards is so bad at his job he could turn Myles Garrett in to Noah Spence.

Edwards coaches LBs. Garrett is an end.

That said, I doubt Myles Garrett will need to re-learn how to play football.

Edwards would coach him.

[mdb1958]

We had 48 sacks in 2020! We had 46 sacks in 2024!

I let outsider handle this one for me.

Sacks in 2020: 48

Sacks in 2024: 46

He's not wrong, technically. It's just that last year the sacks were spread around with a lot of DBs getting sacks. We didn't have someone like Shaq who in 2020 had 19.5 sacks, someone who was literally a game changer for other teams, he - to an extent - forced offenses to make adjustments often away from what they did best.

This is an example of why numbers are useless without context and mdb is a dumb boomer.

Rekd

https://www.thebuczone.net/viewtopic.php?p=5954#p5954

Tell Outsider I said nice try. In 2020 and 2024 no CB had a sack. In 2020 the safety position had 5 and 3 in 2024.

Shaq had 19.5 in 2019.

I do agree that the most important sack is when it's needed the most..

[__Chef__]

I let outsider handle this one for me.



Rekd

https://www.thebuczone.net/viewtopic.php?p=5954#p5954

Tell Outsider I said nice try. In 2020 and 2024 no CB had a sack. In 2020 the safety position had 5 and 3 in 2024.

Shaq had 19.5 in 2019.

I do agree that the most important sack is when it's needed the most..

This was not the reasonable altitude I expected.

[mdb1958]

Tell Outsider I said nice try. In 2020 and 2024 no CB had a sack. In 2020 the safety position had 5 and 3 in 2024.

Shaq had 19.5 in 2019.

I do agree that the most important sack is when it's needed the most..

This was not the reasonable altitude I expected.

The last CB to have a sack for us was SMB in 2019.

[Bootz]

..

[Bootz]

So, I read that Garrett would only cost around 20 million dollars because the Browns would absorb the bonuses.

So june 1st most likely?

Much less

[Terry Tate]

So, I read that Garrett would only cost around 20 million dollars because the Browns would absorb the bonuses.

So june 1st most likely?

Much less

Interesting. If we so chose, the deal might be doable. He's going to turn 30 before the next season is over, that alone might keep his trade price semi-managable.

Cost and cap aside, this is the kind of player that would be transformative for us. Individually, he would apply a ton of pressure to the other QB. It keeps other QB's from just camping in the backfield when we don't blitz. It opens up rush lanes for other guys when we do. Garrett wouldn't just add to Kancey's rush, they would multiple each others efforts and the backfield would feast. Assuming the offense doesn't lose much without Coen, we will put points on the board and make people pass against us.

Licht and Bowles have to stare themselves in the mirror and decide if it's time to go all in.

[Grahamburn]

Lol @ “might not demand a new deal.” Suuuuuuure. Because elite NFL players love suiting up in their primes without any guaranteed money on their contracts. Do it ALL the time to help the team “win a title.” Especially a team that didn’t draft them. Riiiiight.

You guys are pretty damn dense.

[Central_Buc]

I'm more of a draft over trade guy myself but this is a veteran team that needs a few key pieces on defense to make a serious run, so it makes sense to do this.

I agree, but Garrett is once in a lifetime generation player. You have to seize that opportunity.

I mean, that's what I said. Or sort of what i said, why we need to make a deal. Lol

[Central_Buc]

Also I thought he was 32 but he's 29 and relatively healthy, all the more reason to give up multiple 1sts.

If we land him Cleveland is going to be a Bucs town.

[Phantom]

I know i want to add something I want to say

[Phantom]

I'm sure that @Zarni is not a happy camper if it happens

[Grahamburn]

Isn't Max Crosby available too?

The Raiders (Carroll) said at his press conference their plan is a quick turnaround so I’d say no. I’d expect them to be in the market for a free agent QB. Darnold, Daniel Jones, Fields.

Signed Chip Kelly as their OC.

They’re not embracing a rebuild.

[Central_Buc]

I'm sure that @Zarni is not a happy camper if it happens

He's already a Bucs fan or thinking of it since he's here.

That be hilarious if the Bucs win the SB and they have to have a parade in Cleveland too

[Grahamburn]

Also I thought he was 32 but he's 29 and relatively healthy, all the more reason to give up multiple 1sts.

If we land him Cleveland is going to be a Bucs town.

You’re giving up two 1sts+ and a highest paid defensive player ever level contract.

Nobody is saying he isn’t transcendent. However, you have to weigh opportunity cost in the equation.

[Central_Buc]

Also I thought he was 32 but he's 29 and relatively healthy, all the more reason to give up multiple 1sts.

If we land him Cleveland is going to be a Bucs town.

You’re giving up two 1sts+ and a highest paid defensive player ever level contract.

Nobody is saying he isn’t transcendent. However, you have to weigh opportunity cost in the equation.

I already stated the reason above, the Bucs are a veteran team in certain positions with 1 SB and have a shot at another if key pieces on defense are brought in. The OL has been fixed since 2020, though they may add another for depth.

Mike Evans has how many years left before the wheels start falling? And of all people he would be the most appreciative of us making a move to win now.

Like I said, I'm more of a keep our picks guy but looking at our team, we're still a dark horse in our prime. And this is probably a good time to go all in.

[Grahamburn]

You’re giving up two 1sts+ and a highest paid defensive player ever level contract.

Nobody is saying he isn’t transcendent. However, you have to weigh opportunity cost in the equation.

I already stated the reason above, the Bucs are a veteran team in certain positions with 1 SB and have a shot at another if key pieces on defense are brought in. The OL has been fixed since 2020, though they may add another for depth.

Mike Evans has how many years left before the wheels start falling? And of all people he would be the most appreciative of us making a move to win now.

Like I said, I'm more of a keep our picks guy but looking at our team, we're still a dark horse in our prime. And this is probably a good time to go all in.

I’ll be stoked if they trade for him. I don’t think it’s likely though as the cost will be astronomical.

I agree it’s a good time to go all in. My definition of that is just a little different as I also think the defense needs help in several other places. The 2020 team got over the top through a combination of free agent acquisitions and draft pick hits. Not a blockbuster trade.

Look at the Eagles this year. They added a couple free agents and drafted a couple young guys. Got a DC to hold them accountable and boom. In the Super Bowl.

LVD might be more inclined to suit up for one more if Myles is in tow though.

[Central_Buc]

Another caveat to this is whether you think Mayfield can get it done (a SB) which I am in the camp that thinks he can.

But there are those who feel different and I can understand their reservation of doing this deal if that is how they feel.

[BucsNBills]

Wait, one quality that we haven't factored into the hypothetical Myles Garrett trade is his coverage ability.

We all know he's going to be dropping into coverage on 3rd down most of the time, so maybe that's what we should be valuing here??

[Bootz]

Garrett isn't an edge rusher. He's a downed lineman and I doubt that would change here.

[Doctor]

Garrett isn't an edge rusher. He's a downed lineman and I doubt that would change here.

Yeah, I notice a lot of people seem to be confused about which players have their hands in the dirt. Well, to be fair, we do like to mix things up. It's how we generate sacks from anywhere, any year.

Is an EDGE FA + a 1st and 2nd round rookie + 2026 1st > Myles Garrett?

Depends if those picks are defense or offense. On defense, chances are highly likely that's a wasted pick with these coaches.

Um what? Receipts don't check out.

The bulk of our roster is in house drafted and developed talent. And even if you want to limelight defense, that bird still don't fly. Vea, Hall, Kancey, Yaya, Zyon, AWJ, Tykee all in house studs to varying degrees. That's 7 of 11. JTS, Nelson, Gholston, Dean all serviceable starters to various degrees. Our DBs way over perform on a constant basis, from Mike Edwards to SMB to CD3 to Zyon.

So when you say it's wasted picks with these coaches I don't know what the hell it is that you're talking about. Yosemite?

[Sdbucs]

Our offense was great last season. Our defense was not. Our defense was lacking talent. Defensive End is the most important position on defense, and a hole in ours.
Our picks at DE have been largely unsuccessful.
Of all the DE's available at 19 in the past... 5 years? How many have been a successful pick? Jared Verse is the only one that comes to mind, and he fell because there were like 8 QBs taken before him.

SO. We need a DE. We have not succeeded at drafting DEs. DE at 19 is sparse to begin with. BUT we could potentially give up our picks to land one of the best DE to ever play who is still in his prime.

It's just a no brainer and makes us a true contender.

OR we hold our picks and hope that our drafted rookies can contribute as much as an elite DE before our offense fizzles out.

[Sdbucs]

Garrett isn't an edge rusher. He's a downed lineman and I doubt that would change here.

Yeah, I notice a lot of people seem to be confused about which players have their hands in the dirt. Well, to be fair, we do like to mix things up. It's how we generate sacks from anywhere, any year.

Depends if those picks are defense or offense. On defense, chances are highly likely that's a wasted pick with these coaches.

Um what? Receipts don't check out.

The bulk of our roster is in house drafted and developed talent. And even if you want to limelight defense, that bird still don't fly. Vea, Hall, Kancey, Yaya, Zyon, AWJ, Tykee all in house studs to varying degrees. That's 7 of 11. JTS, Nelson, Gholston, Dean all serviceable starters to various degrees. Our DBs way over perform on a constant basis, from Mike Edwards to SMB to CD3 to Zyon.

So when you say it's wasted picks with these coaches I don't know what the hell it is that you're talking about. Yosemite?

Hall and Kancey have not proven anything.
JTS - wasted pick.

We are good at drafting DBs. We are bad at drafting DE. We NEED a DE.

[__Chef__]

Garrett isn't an edge rusher. He's a downed lineman and I doubt that would change here.

Yeah, I notice a lot of people seem to be confused about which players have their hands in the dirt. Well, to be fair, we do like to mix things up. It's how we generate sacks from anywhere, any year.

Depends if those picks are defense or offense. On defense, chances are highly likely that's a wasted pick with these coaches.

Um what? Receipts don't check out.

The bulk of our roster is in house drafted and developed talent. And even if you want to limelight defense, that bird still don't fly. Vea, Hall, Kancey, Yaya, Zyon, AWJ, Tykee all in house studs to varying degrees. That's 7 of 11. JTS, Nelson, Gholston, Dean all serviceable starters to various degrees. Our DBs way over perform on a constant basis, from Mike Edwards to SMB to CD3 to Zyon.

So when you say it's wasted picks with these coaches I don't know what the hell it is that you're talking about. Yosemite?

1st and 2nd rounders.

On defense they haven't exactly been homeruns.

[Doctor]

I think more than talent we lack experience, particularly in defense. We're one of the youngest, most in house teams in the league.

LB is the most obvious. This system asks a lot of them which is why they tend to emerge more around year 3. It's also why veterans at the position can be a quicker fix as they come pre-seasoned already.

Similar for NB, but I think we have that more resolved. Outside CB can come in greener, what counts more in the secondary is experience with each other, aka chemistry. Knowing who is suppose to be where and handing things off correctly. We lacked in that heavily last year. But that comes during the season. So even if we inject new talent into the secondary, which we should, as long as they stay healthy they can get in sync by winter.

[Doctor]

Yeah, I notice a lot of people seem to be confused about which players have their hands in the dirt. Well, to be fair, we do like to mix things up. It's how we generate sacks from anywhere, any year.


Um what? Receipts don't check out.

The bulk of our roster is in house drafted and developed talent. And even if you want to limelight defense, that bird still don't fly. Vea, Hall, Kancey, Yaya, Zyon, AWJ, Tykee all in house studs to varying degrees. That's 7 of 11. JTS, Nelson, Gholston, Dean all serviceable starters to various degrees. Our DBs way over perform on a constant basis, from Mike Edwards to SMB to CD3 to Zyon.

So when you say it's wasted picks with these coaches I don't know what the hell it is that you're talking about. Yosemite?

1st and 2nd rounders.

On defense they haven't exactly been homeruns.

You realize HALF of first rounders flat out bust right? To get just a serviceable starter is a win, let alone a home freaking run. Odds are worse for second rounders. But even with that, AWJ, Vea, and Kancey are homeruns, I don't know what you're talking about.

Hall and JTS are also 100% starters in this league too.

Not every pick can be LVD. And that's okay.

[__Chef__]

1st and 2nd rounders.

On defense they haven't exactly been homeruns.

You realize HALF of first rounders flat out bust right? To get just a serviceable starter is a win, let alone a home freaking run. Odds are worse for second rounders. But even with that, AWJ, Vea, and Kancey are homeruns, I don't know what you're talking about.

Hall and JTS are also 100% starters in this league too.

Not every pick can be LVD. And that's okay.

...I think people overhype draft picks. The fact that we hit is grand, but you know Myles is a hit. A devastating one at that. I'd take the sure thing over picks.

I agree with this guy ^

[Bootz]

You realize HALF of first rounders flat out bust right? To get just a serviceable starter is a win, let alone a home freaking run. Odds are worse for second rounders. But even with that, AWJ, Vea, and Kancey are homeruns, I don't know what you're talking about.

Hall and JTS are also 100% starters in this league too.

Not every pick can be LVD. And that's okay.

...I think people overhype draft picks. The fact that we hit is grand, but you know Myles is a hit. A devastating one at that. I'd take the sure thing over picks.

I agree with this guy ^

Those aren't 2 different people, right?

[Grahamburn]

@Doctor

LBs emerge in this system around year 3? To whom are you referring?

[__Chef__]

Those aren't 2 different people, right?

Doc just wants to spar.

[Sdbucs]

DE is the second most sought after position in football behind QB.
Dominant DEs in college, truly dominant ones, almost ALWAYS go top 5.
Finding a DE in the draft is hard, and finding a dominant, game changer at 19 is that much harder.

And we're sitting here with the opportunity to land a proven ELITE, dominant DE. No guess work. No "oh we can draft another next year and try again". We already have the answers to the test.

Praying every minute we land Myles Garrett

[mdb1958]

I like to watch who has an internet trained mind.

[Sooner06]

1st and 2nd rounders.

On defense they haven't exactly been homeruns.

You realize HALF of first rounders flat out bust right? To get just a serviceable starter is a win, let alone a home freaking run. Odds are worse for second rounders. But even with that, AWJ, Vea, and Kancey are homeruns, I don't know what you're talking about.

Hall and JTS are also 100% starters in this league too.

Not every pick can be LVD. And that's okay.

It's actually closer to 66%. 2 out of 3 first round draft picks do not re-sign with the team that drafted them. And of those that leave their original team and sign elsewhere, around 60% of those do not sign an extension with their new team.


If TB thinks they're in a 'win now' mode, they should make a serious run at Garrett. He's averaged around 14 sacks/season for the last 4-5 seasons, iirc.