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__Chef__ wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:30 am
Grahamburn wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:23 am

Jensen was great here. That last deal didn't work out, but I don't know how it's Licht's fault Aaron Stinnie got bitch slapped into Jensen's knee.
I'm just saying it almost seems like Licht is embarrassed if he isn't offering a "highest paid x" contract to a player. Like he tells everyone "you're the best" and then feels obligated to have the money match his mouth. That's fine for a sport without a salary cap with owners of unbound wealth.

I'd be willing to bet he offered record breaking money to Brady and Tom had to push back with "hold up, pump the brakes here Jason ... you pay me this, then how are we going to afford the rest of the Superbowl caliber roster? I'll take X, and let's build from there."
We made Jensen the highest paid C in football when we signed him from Baltimore in 2018. He was never the best C in football or even close to it. Many won't want to have this conversation (I know @Grahamburn won't) but Jensen was part of the reason the run game was so putrid.

That said, Licht is not the best negotiator. AWJ Jr was able to strong arm his way into being the highest paid safety in football. Had his agent go to social media the weekend before mandatory camp and say he wasn't showing up on the franchise tag at all. Wirfs did the same thing almost except he showed up in shorts and just watched. Now Wirfs had a much better case for being the highest paid LT than Winfield did the highest paid S. But imagine if we kept AWJ on the tag and called his bluff. He plays on the franchise tag and has the year he had. What kind of deal you offering him now?
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So now we're using revisionist history and hindsight to make condemnations of our players and Licht.

AWJ was the best safety in football when he got paid. Period. He had an injury ridden season in 2024 but there's no reason to believe he won't get back to form in 2025.
Bemoaning his signing because of one down year and then wanting to franchise tag him instead is just classic bootz contrarianism.

Jensen was signed during a time when the Buca were awful so overpaying to get a center of his quality required higher investment. We also don't with the super bowl without him so who the fuck cares what his AAV was?

I'm not even sure why I'm engaging because literally nothing anyone says will make a difference to the few haters on this board. Y'all are dug in and must commit to the bit.

Isn't it weird for you clowns to literally hope our team or Baker or Licht fail just so you can be "right" on a message board that like 20 human beings on the planet even knows exists?
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BucsNBills wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 11:47 am So now we're using revisionist history and hindsight to make condemnations of our players and Licht.

AWJ was the best safety in football when he got paid. Period. He had an injury ridden season in 2024 but there's no reason to believe he won't get back to form in 2025.
Bemoaning his signing because of one down year and then wanting to franchise tag him instead is just classic bootz contrarianism.

Jensen was signed during a time when the Buca were awful so overpaying to get a center of his quality required higher investment. We also don't with the super bowl without him so who the fuck cares what his AAV was?

I'm not even sure why I'm engaging because literally nothing anyone says will make a difference to the few haters on this board. Y'all are dug in and must commit to the bit.

Isn't it weird for you clowns to literally hope our team or Baker or Licht fail just so you can be "right" on a message board that like 20 human beings on the planet even knows exists?
News flash: We did franchise tag AWJ, dumbass.

As @__Chef__ accurately pointed out, AWJ had 1 exceptional season. Thats why we let his rookie deal expire instead of extending him before hand. 2022 was also an injury riddled and subpar year for AWJ. He missed 4 games due to injury and overall did not have a great year on the field. 2023 came at the right time for him because it was his contract year. Cumulative analysis of his time as a Buc, it's been up and down. 2020 he was a rookie, 2021 he did well although injuries were a problem. 2022, injuries were a problem again and he didn't play nearly as well. 2023 He was the best in the league. 2024, injuries hit hard and he played terribly.

That's if you're being realistic and honest, which we all know both are foreign concepts to you.

Now Jensen, your statement makes zero sense.
Jensen was signed during a time when the Buca were awful so overpaying to get a center of his quality required higher investment.
What does that even mean? Jensen wasn't very good with the Ravens, that's why they let him walk. He wasn't even very good here in fact. He was just very well liked and had that edge about him. But from a football standpoint you're talking about an above average pass protector, a terrible run blocker, and someone who committed way too many penalties.

You're engaging because you have zero self control. It's that simple.
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__Chef__ wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:30 am
I'd be willing to bet he offered record breaking money to Brady and Tom had to push back with "hold up, pump the brakes here Jason ... you pay me this, then how are we going to afford the rest of the Superbowl caliber roster? I'll take X, and let's build from there."

I promise you that's not a conversation that's ever happened.
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BucsNBills wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 11:47 am ...Isn't it weird for you clowns to literally hope our team or Baker or Licht fail just so you can be "right"...
I'm not rooting against the team or any individual.

You know how some company vehicles have a governor on them to prevent them from reaching a certain speed? That's essentially what this is, at least for me. Looking at the team and saying, "I think we've got a governor here or there that is preventing this DeLorean from hitting 88 MMPH".

Mainly for me, IMO, the biggest impact that would drastically improve our team would be for Bowles to go out and find the next young Mike Tomlin, Raheem Morris, Rod Marinelli, DeMeco Ryans, etc., and have them replace his old buddies who have proven to be ineffective in getting our squad to play up to their potential. One step better: Bowles to hand the DC reigns over and just focus on being the HC.

If we have these dynamic young energetic position coaches who set a high standard and inspire our guys to reach it, then we aren't worried about losing guys to free agency. In fact, we can then be more aggressive about trading them and gaining draft capital.
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Almost went Hall to keep the discussion going, but JPP deserves it.
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The all pewter is sharp. I think that was 2020 in Denver.
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Someone check on Annie.
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Josh Johnson retire yet?
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Grahamburn wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:16 pm Josh Johnson retire yet?
Nope. Just signed with Washington in April.
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Bootz wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:25 pm
Grahamburn wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:16 pm Josh Johnson retire yet?
Nope. Just signed with Washington in April.
Dude has had the best job in football. 17 years in the league, earned over $12M, and has only played in 45 games with 9 starts.
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Still think he could've been legit with Gruden.
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Buc2 wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:23 pm
Bootz wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:25 pm

Nope. Just signed with Washington in April.
Dude has had the best job in football. 17 years in the league, earned over $12M, and has only played in 45 games with 9 starts.
Moving every year probably sucks.
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Doctor wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:50 pm Still think he could've been legit with Gruden.
You would.
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Ha. I suppose that's true. I'm big on fit and that was a great fit. He had the smarts and on the move accuracy to be a great Jeff Garcia executor of that East West scheme.
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Doctor wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 10:51 pm Ha. I suppose that's true. I'm big on fit and that was a great fit. He had the smarts and on the move accuracy to be a great Jeff Garcia executor of that East West scheme.
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Snake wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:40 pm
Buc2 wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:23 pm

Dude has had the best job in football. 17 years in the league, earned over $12M, and has only played in 45 games with 9 starts.
Moving every year probably sucks.
Growing up, we moved more often than that. For $12 million, I'd do it.
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I'm to late! You snooze you lose... I was going to go with the Edell Shepard heartbreaker.
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Him and Clifton Smith, also known as Peanuts, are the best Bucs kick returners ever. Well, Karl Williams was more of a punt returner.

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Fully expected the crazy man.
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Grahamburn wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:19 am Fully expected the crazy man.
Last two numbers tried to stay away from the crazy lol
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I remember Gruden GUSHING over Alex Smith.
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Bootz wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:01 am I remember Gruden GUSHING over Alex Smith.
Untapped potential was the hallmark of our offense back then, and our defense today.
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